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jerra b » 04 Sep 2024, 8:41 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 8:41 pm

do you know you never make one tiny bit of sense?

Gee, you keep saying that while defending your social consensus truth about history of your ancestry's character role playing since birth denying all you been since conceived and everyone doing it with you run around saying how much smarter you are as a mind than a person navigating space for the time they get being uniquely alive here now.

You never accept time's balancing point of life is now separating 5 generation gaps living here in plain sight, adapting in space as evolving series parallel positions of lifetimes adapting to space as displaced genetically present since conceived changing shape since a fertilized cell.

jerrab » 05 Sep 2024, 3:49 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 3:49 am

you keep attacking me because of my religion, I am christian.

So am I!
Neither YOUR religion nor mine has anything to do with it!
The fact is that Palestinian Muslims will NEVER accept a Jewish state and they will continue to teach their children to hate Jews leaves Israel with no choice but to wipe out the terrorists who will continue to attack them without remorse.

Hamas has made it clear that they will not negotiate a peace deal, will not accept Israel's right to exist, and will continue to attack Israel as long as there is a single Jew alive and there remains a single Muslim terrorist.  And so there is no alternative for Israel but to kill every Hamas member, and I'm just fine with that!

Tell me, what other solution do YOU see?
 

jerrab » 04 Sep 2024, 8:39 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 8:39 pm

that is like saying the mouse should get along with the cat and if they don't it is all the mouse's fault.

The difference is that this cat (Israel) WOULDN'T BOTHER THE MOUSE ONE BIT if he didn't continually try to kill the cat every day for years!
 

jerrab » 04 Sep 2024, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 6:39 pm

you were fine with trump supporters attacking the police. your opinion means naught to me

And when did I EVER say that, liar?
ANY Trump supporter who attacks a cop SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW, just like any BLM or Antifa rioter should!
Oh, but those hundreds of Trump supporters that were thrown in jail on Jan. 6th DIDN'T attack the cops, did they?  Most did nothing more heinous than enter the Capitol and walk through like the tourists they were while a uniformed guard held the door open for them!
Nor did they have a VP like Kamala in their corner who encouraged everyone to contribute to a fund bailing the BLM and Antifa rioters that had attacked cops, looted stores, vandalized property, and committed arson that burned down dozens of buildings AS SHE DID, did they?
 

jerrab » 04 Sep 2024, 6:36 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 6:36 pm

no. they are stuck there by israel who learned that whatever they do to gaza is okay. israel does not want to live peacefully. they get more money when attacked by hamas, they got millions since 10/7

Why is it that you think Israel is responsible for the fact that no other neighboring country WANTS GAZA REFUGEES?
Why isn't the UN putting pressure on Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Oman, UAE, Yemen, Syria, Kuwait, and Lebanon to accept any of them?
Those living in Gaza will have two choices once Israel destroys every semblance of Hamas there.  They can either rewrite their charter to peacefully accept Israel as their neighbor under a new government that doesn't include any Hamas supporters, or they can choose to remain on the same failed path and continue attacking Israel until they too are wiped out.

And nothing that Israel does or doesn't do will change that reality.
 

jerrab » 04 Sep 2024, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 6:32 pm

that would include not antagonizing potential assailants.

NO, IT WOULDN'T!
EVERY COUNTRY has the duty to protect its citizens from being attacked by your "potential assailants".  And they DO NOT have to give a **** about the perceived gripes of terrorists who ONLY want to kill them and DO NOT want to live in peace as Hamas has proven over and over again!
 

Zeets2- » 05 Sep 2024, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 9:23 am

So am I!
Neither YOUR religion nor mine has anything to do with it!
The fact is that Palestinian Muslims will NEVER accept a Jewish state and they will continue to teach their children to hate Jews leaves Israel with no choice but to wipe out the terrorists who will continue to attack them without remorse.

Hamas has made it clear that they will not negotiate a peace deal, will not accept Israel's right to exist, and will continue to attack Israel as long as there is a single Jew alive and there remains a single Muslim terrorist.  And so there is no alternative for Israel but to kill every Hamas member, and I'm just fine with that!

Tell me, what other solution do YOU see?

that israel treats gaza in a manner that promotes peace. ignoring facts is not  helping peace but keeping the lie that israel has any intention of treating gaza fairly.

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note the date, before 10-7February 1, 2022- ------------    Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanityIsraeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights. This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries.The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention.Amnesty International is calling on the International Criminal Court (ICC) to consider the crime of apartheid in its current investigation in the OPT and calls on all states to exercise universal jurisdiction to bring perpetrators of apartheid crimes to justice.

Our report reveals the true extent of Israel’s apartheid regime. Whether they live in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, or Israel itself, Palestinians are treated as an inferior racial group and systematically deprived of their rights. We found that Israel’s cruel policies of segregation, dispossession and exclusion across all territories under its control clearly amount to apartheid. The international community has an obligation to actAgnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General

“There is no possible justification for a system built around the institutionalized and prolonged racist oppression of millions of people. Apartheid has no place in our world, and states which choose to make allowances for Israel will find themselves on the wrong side of history. Governments who continue to supply Israel with arms and shield it from accountability at the UN are supporting a system of apartheid, undermining the international legal order, and exacerbating the suffering of the Palestinian people. The international community must face up to the reality of Israel’s apartheid, and pursue the many avenues to justice which remain shamefully unexplored.”Amnesty International’s findings build on a growing body of work by Palestinian, Israeli and international NGOs, who have increasingly applied the apartheid framework to the situation in Israel and/or the OPT.  
 

Zeets2 » 05 Sep 2024, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 9:23 am

So am I!
Neither YOUR religion nor mine has anything to do with it!
The fact is that Palestinian Muslims will NEVER accept a Jewish state and they will continue to teach their children to hate Jews leaves Israel with no choice but to wipe out the terrorists who will continue to attack them without remorse.

Hamas has made it clear that they will not negotiate a peace deal, will not accept Israel's right to exist, and will continue to attack Israel as long as there is a single Jew alive and there remains a single Muslim terrorist.  And so there is no alternative for Israel but to kill every Hamas member, and I'm just fine with that!

Tell me, what other solution do YOU see?

you must be one of those christians who are christian only 3 hours of the year on christmas day. being christian is a 365 day job and to act in accordance with what Christ said every day. religion has everything to with what we do every single day.

matthew 5

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
 

jerrab » 05 Sep 2024, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 11:53 am

that israel treats gaza in a manner that promotes peace. ignoring facts is not  helping peace but keeping the lie that israel has any intention of treating gaza fairly.

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note the date, before 10-7February 1, 2022- ------------    Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanityIsraeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights. This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries.The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law.
“There is no possible justification for a system built around the institutionalized and prolonged racist oppression of millions of people. Apartheid has no place in our world, and states which choose to make allowances for Israel will find themselves on the wrong side of history. Governments who continue to supply Israel with arms and shield it from accountability at the UN are supporting a system of apartheid, undermining the international legal order, and exacerbating the suffering of the Palestinian people. The international community must face up to the reality of Israel’s apartheid, and pursue the many avenues to justice which remain shamefully unexplored.”Amnesty International’s findings build on a growing body of work by Palestinian, Israeli and international NGOs, who have increasingly applied the apartheid framework to the situation in Israel and/or the OPT.

You can post all the opinions of every anti-Semitic country that's hated Israel for past 80 years and it wouldn't change a damn thing!
Every one of them wants gullible fools like you to believe there is something equitable in the way that Israel and the Palestinians prosecute their war.
THERE IS NOT!
Gaza and the Palestinians who live there can have peace tomorrow if they ended the commitment of Hamas to destroy Israel, but they won't!  And until they do, THERE WILL NOT BE PEACE AND ISRAEL WILL NOT STOP RETALIATING AGAINST THOSE ATTACKS!  Get that fact through your thick anti-Semitic head!
What YOU want is for Israel to live and exist under the fear and the threat of rocket fire coming from Gaza on a daily basis for all time, when you would NEVER accept that kind of life for yourself in your own country!  You want Israel to stop defending themselves, and you cheer when you see the kind of atrocities Hamas committed on Oct. 7th.  You play right into the hands of the terrorists who count on the support of namby-pamby leftists like you who proclaim they are the victims even after they've brutally raped, murdered, beheaded, and kidnapped over 1200 innocent civilian men, women, and infants and tortured and murdered their hostages.  You claim to want nothing more than a cease-fire, despite the fact that history has proven that the minute one is agreed to, Hamas immediately uses that pause to re-arm and begin launching missile attacks at Israel once again.

Libs like you simply never learn.
 
 
 

jerrab » 05 Sep 2024, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 12:11 pm

you must be one of those christians who are christian only 3 hours of the year on christmas day. being christian is a 365 day job and to act in accordance with what Christ said every day. religion has everything to with what we do every single day.

matthew 5

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Wow, impressive!
Too bad you didn't spend that time finding and understanding this passage instead:

=15pxLeviticus 24:17-22 An Eye for an Eye17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death. 18 Whoever takes an animal's life shall make it good, life for life. 19 If anyone injures his neighbor, as he has done it shall be done to him, 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; whatever injury he has given a person shall be given to him. 21 Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, and whoever kills a person shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.”

Tell me, Mr. Christian.  How does that not apply when Israel suffered the atrocities that Hamas committed on innocent civilians on Oct. 7th?
And not to blow my own horn because your approval of me means very little, but you're talking to someone who was a student in Catholic schools for most of my life, a choir boy, a captain of the altar boys, and a ballplayer on an all-Catholic baseball team.  I worked for free for years in the church rectory and was great friends with one of the priests in my parish for many years.

So stick with the facts and I'll do my best not to humiliate you for your foolishly pacifist opinions, OK?

 

Zeets2 » 05 Sep 2024, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 12:30 pm

Wow, impressive!
Too bad you didn't spend that time finding and understanding this passage instead:

Tell me, Mr. Christian.  How does that not apply when Israel suffered the atrocities that Hamas committed on innocent civilians on Oct. 7th?
And not to blow my own horn because your approval of me means very little, but you're talking to someone who was a student in Catholic schools for most of my life, a choir boy, a captain of the altar boys, and a ballplayer on an all-Catholic baseball team.  I worked for free for years in the church rectory and was great friends with one of the priests in my parish for many years.

So stick with the facts and I'll do my best not to humiliate you for your foolishly pacifist opinions, OK?

obviously you are not christian because you have no idea what Christ said.Eye for Eye38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.Love for Enemies43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Footnotes

matthew 5

Zeets2 » 05 Sep 2024, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 12:30 pm

Wow, impressive!
Too bad you didn't spend that time finding and understanding this passage instead:

Tell me, Mr. Christian.  How does that not apply when Israel suffered the atrocities that Hamas committed on innocent civilians on Oct. 7th?
And not to blow my own horn because your approval of me means very little, but you're talking to someone who was a student in Catholic schools for most of my life, a choir boy, a captain of the altar boys, and a ballplayer on an all-Catholic baseball team.  I worked for free for years in the church rectory and was great friends with one of the priests in my parish for many years.

So stick with the facts and I'll do my best not to humiliate you for your foolishly pacifist opinions, OK?

do you consider Christ 'foolish'?  
Eye for Eye Love for Enemies
matthew 543 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Footnotes

Zeets2 » 04 Sep 2024, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 12:45 pm

That was a court decision adjudicated by an Israeli high court and deemed perfectly legal.
No one says that Palestinians have to agree with it, but they had to abide by it, and therefore there are no grounds for retaliation because of it.  Neither is anyone  attempting to claim that living under the occupation of a neighboring government is pleasant, but it's warranted when that country is continually attacked with missiles on a regular daily basis.

So since you too would apparently like to equate each of their actions, then show why Israel should not have retaliated after such an unprovoked civilian massacre? 

Or maybe YOU'D like a shot at answering the question,
"What would you want the US to do if they were the recipients of an unprovoked brutal attack that raped and murdered over 1200 Americans and took over a hundred hostages?  Would you not DEMAND that the US respond with overwhelming force to end such a capability just as Israel is doing?

again proof you are NOT christian, the crucifixion of Christ. was legal by a court of law but every one else knows it was unjust.   and no christian would say that the law is correct in every situation.
 

AyeCantSeeYou » 04 Sep 2024, 4:51 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 4:51 am

AyeCantSeeYou 
@Mrkelly  is a lill teapot   
https://i.postimg.cc/gjv03N9f/mrk.jpg

lmao

jerrab » 05 Sep 2024, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2024, 1:49 pm

again proof you are NOT christian, the crucifixion of Christ. was legal by a court of law but every one else knows it was unjust.   and no christian would say that the law is correct in every situation.

In what possible way could the crucifixion of Christ indicate to you that I'm not a Christian when you know absolutely nothing about me?
 

So you're saying that you LOVE those Hamas terrorists that brutally raped and murdered over 1200 innocent civilians and took dozens of additional hostages that they tortured and murdered as well?  And NOW you want a cease fire or a truce to stop Israel from destroying the rest of Hamas in retaliation? Good for you!I'm not quite that forgiving, and if that makes me a non-Christian according to your stringent guidelines, I'm perfectly fine with that!  

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am

In what possible way could the crucifixion of Christ indicate to you that I'm not a Christian when you know absolutely nothing about me?
 

You choose intellectual character over characteristic as genetically displaced. You defy life in real time to stay in character by relative time semantics. How much more does an ancestor need to recognize another ancestor doesn't accept all they been since conception?

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am

In what possible way could the crucifixion of Christ indicate to you that I'm not a Christian when you know absolutely nothing about me?

a true christian would not want the crucifixion but you say that any verdict by a court of law is legal and just.

jerra b » 06 Sep 2024, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:12 am

a true christian would not want the crucifixion but you say that any verdict by a court of law is legal and just.

What was Christianity between 0AD and 380Ad when pagan Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic church that produced the two version bible Old and New Testament?