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jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:12 am

a true christian would not want the crucifixion but you say that any verdict by a court of law is legal and just.

So it's your belief that God never intended to have his Son die for our sins and it was the court verdict that foiled God's plan?

Wanna run that by me again?

Even today, there is PLENTY of similar injustices done by EVERY legal system or court of law!  
And NONE OF THEM are "just".
Any system of justice can NEVER be 100% certain that they can't make an error.
Do YOU know of one?
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:33 am

So it's your belief that God never intended to have his Son die for our sins and it was the court verdict that foiled God's plan?

Wanna run that by me again?

Even today, there is PLENTY of similar injustices done by EVERY legal system or court of law!  
And NONE OF THEM are "just".
Any system of justice can NEVER be 100% certain that they can't make an error.
Do YOU know of one?

how would you say God intended His son to die?

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 11:01 am

how would you say God intended His son to die?

I didn't have to say it.
The Bible repeats it often:

Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit 
1 John 3:16By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
Philippians 2:8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Isaiah 53:5-6 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

So tell me. 
Do YOU forgive the Hamas terrorists that raped and brutally murdered over 1200 innocent civilian men, women, and children?  Forgive them for forcing fathers to watch the rape of their wives and daughters in front of them?  Forgive them for burning infants alive as the parents were forced to watch?

Or are you not a Christian according to your definition?
 
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 11:36 am

I didn't have to say it.
The Bible repeats it often:

Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit 
1 John 3:16By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
Philippians 2:8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Isaiah 53:5-6 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

So tell me. 
Do YOU forgive the Hamas terrorists that raped and brutally murdered over 1200 innocent civilian men, women, and children?  Forgive them for forcing fathers to watch the rape of their wives and daughters in front of them?  Forgive them for burning infants alive as the parents were forced to watch?

Or are you not a Christian according to your definition?

God knew that man would convict  Him by trumped up charges by a man made court.

 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:02 am

In what possible way could the crucifixion of Christ indicate to you that I'm not a Christian when you know absolutely nothing about me?

your knowledge of what Christ said could  not fill a thimble.  you and 99 per cent of so called christians are why we got into this mess in the first place.

Christian Neocons are glorious!!

Bomb the world and murder children for Jesus!!

   
 

jerra b » 06 Sep 2024, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 11:01 am

how would you say God intended His son to die?

The Bible says so. well the New Testament anyway.

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 12:24 pm

your knowledge of what Christ said could  not fill a thimble.  you and 99 per cent of so called christians are why we got into this mess in the first place.

OK, I'll let an all-knowing expert like you provide the 99% of us heathens with your great wisdom, since you apparently have a direct line to God on your cellphone.

Except why are you so unable to respond regarding whether or not you forgive completely the Hamas terrorists that brutally raped, tortured, and murdered the 1200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children?

Would YOU turn the other cheek as you were forced to watch them burn your infant child alive?  Or watching as they rape and torture your wife and daughters? Murder your hundreds of captured civilian hostages including Americans?

Seems to me that cuts right to the heart of the issue, doesn't it?

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 12:19 pm

God knew that man would convict  Him by trumped up charges by a man made court.

Oh, but that WASN'T God's intention to have his Son crucified for our sins?
 
Do you really think that God was surprised by that OR WAS THAT THE INTENTION of sending us Jesus?
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm

OK, I'll let an all-knowing expert like you provide the 99% of us heathens with your great wisdom, since you apparently have a direct line to God on your cellphone.

Except why are you so unable to respond regarding whether or not you forgive completely the Hamas terrorists that brutally raped, tortured, and murdered the 1200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children?

Would YOU turn the other cheek as you were forced to watch them burn your infant child alive?  Or watching as they rape and torture your wife and daughters? Murder your hundreds of captured civilian hostages including Americans?

Seems to me that cuts right to the heart of the issue, doesn't it?

you knew about an eye for an eye which was said by moses in the old testament but did not know that Christ that was wrong,  which proves you know nothing about anything Christ said.

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm

OK, I'll let an all-knowing expert like you provide the 99% of us heathens with your great wisdom, since you apparently have a direct line to God on your cellphone.

Except why are you so unable to respond regarding whether or not you forgive completely the Hamas terrorists that brutally raped, tortured, and murdered the 1200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children?

Would YOU turn the other cheek as you were forced to watch them burn your infant child alive?  Or watching as they rape and torture your wife and daughters? Murder your hundreds of captured civilian hostages including Americans?

Seems to me that cuts right to the heart of the issue, doesn't it?

 

it was not me who said it but Christ. if you don't like it, take it up with Him.
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 1:54 pm

Oh, but that WASN'T God's intention to have his Son crucified for our sins?
 
Do you really think that God was surprised by that OR WAS THAT THE INTENTION of sending us Jesus?

God knew that He would be found guilty by corrupt men.

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 2:25 pm

you knew about an eye for an eye which was said by moses in the old testament but did not know that Christ that was wrong,  which proves you know nothing about anything Christ said.

I NEVER said those were Christ's words about an eye for an eye, did I, liar?
And if YOU don't subscribe to that belief, please tell us why you're clearly having so much difficulty in disavowing those words and instead telling us how you would forgive the Hamas terrorists who brutally murdered those 1200 innocent Israeli men, women, and children!
Why is that so tough if that's what's required as a Christian as you claim?

Let's see you admit that you would turn the other cheek after being forced to watch Hamas terrorists burn your infant baby alive or rape and torture you wife and daughters before murdering them!  Who could possibly have a greater need for forgiveness than those Hamas terrorists, right?

So show us what a wonderfully pious Christian you are by being able to show the forgiveness that you claim Christ wants to see coming from you!


 

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 2:29 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 2:29 pm

God knew that He would be found guilty by corrupt men.

So why didn't he stop it if it wasn't his intention to have his son die?

'Splain me that one, Lucy!
 

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 2:27 pm

it was not me who said it but Christ. if you don't like it, take it up with Him.

I never said I didn't like it, I said that I'm incapable of the kind of forgiveness that would be necessary for the Hamas terrorists that brutally raped and murdered over 1200 innocents!

Funny how YOU TOO are completely unable to do so, as I've requested hearing about the great depths of your Christianity as you claim, while denying that MY faith isn't acceptable to you as such a self-proclaimed authority on the subject!

Really, who the **** do you think you are to deny ANYONE their faith? 
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 1:31 pm

OK, I'll let an all-knowing expert like you provide the 99% of us heathens with your great wisdom, since you apparently have a direct line to God on your cellphone.

Except why are you so unable to respond regarding whether or not you forgive completely the Hamas terrorists that brutally raped, tortured, and murdered the 1200 Israeli civilian men, women, and children?

Would YOU turn the other cheek as you were forced to watch them burn your infant child alive?  Or watching as they rape and torture your wife and daughters? Murder your hundreds of captured civilian hostages including Americans?

Seems to me that cuts right to the heart of the issue, doesn't it?

What unique organs of the body does a spiritual soul have a sole reproduction doesn't get not believing life isn't self evident evolving conceived to decomposed cycle of life mutually evolving at the same time 5 generation gaps are never same people alive daily cradle to grave in the same atmosphere, today?

31stArrival » 06 Sep 2024, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 3:45 pm

What unique organs of the body does a spiritual soul have a sole reproduction doesn't get not believing life isn't self evident evolving conceived to decomposed cycle of life mutually evolving at the same time 5 generation gaps are never same people alive daily cradle to grave in the same atmosphere, today?

I think you can use some fresh atmosphere for yourself instead of bothering me!
 

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 3:48 pm

I think you can use some fresh atmosphere for yourself instead of bothering me!
 

Your we mantra doesn't tolerate my kind of instinctive awareness from anyone alive. So your ideology is pure tyranny and you pretend it isn't. While you aren't directly participating as ruling elites, you aren't correcting your ideology's abuse to power of suggestion since dawn of civilization either.

sootedupCyndi » 01 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm

you are a fake sok! The big mod from usmb? please give us warnings for trolling- be aware -fake-
cp will give you warnings for not trolling Sok.

Aye Can't See You on USMB was the dope who fell for my Hitler avatar story.  

Zeets2 » 06 Sep 2024, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:33 am

So it's your belief that God never intended to have his Son die for our sins and it was the court verdict that foiled God's plan?

Wanna run that by me again?

Even today, there is PLENTY of similar injustices done by EVERY legal system or court of law!  
And NONE OF THEM are "just".
Any system of justice can NEVER be 100% certain that they can't make an error.
Do YOU know of one?
 

Life is a balance between all extreme interpretations living isn't self evident time adapting as displaced exactly as ancestrally positioned now.