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Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm

Wadi al-Khalil, an unrecognized Palestinian/Bedouin village

Do you really think it would be ANY different if Mexico attempted to settle territory in the US after they lost the Mexican-American war in 1847?  At that time, Mexico REFUSED to give up their land that Mexico previously controlled, then ceded to the United States in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 after US troops had gone deep into Mexico and even taken over Mexico City.

You want to deny to other countries the exact same authority that we in the US imposed on Mexico as Israel is imposing on the Palestinians for no other reason than your hatred of Jews.
And that's too damn bad because it ain't about to happen!

it would be a lot different if the US did not help israel in 1973.

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2024, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 1:20 pm

Yes, it's called the Right of Eminent Domain, which is also guaranteed by the US and codified in the 5th Amendment of the Constitution.
Those settlements in E. Jerusalem were Israeli territory, seized in the 1967 war.   Since the Palestinians refused to concede ownership of the territory to Israel and live under their jurisdiction of Israel according to the compromise offered by the Israeli Supreme Court, they were forcibly evicted.

You want to blame Israel for winning the war that the Arab countries all launched against them and that's too damn bad!

Apparently, you want to deny that same right to another sovereign country and force Israel to give up control of the land they won, despite the fact that a Palestinian appeal was heard and rejected by the Israeli Supreme Court. 
And you expect others to feel bad about that?

The lesson here that you reuse to learn is that when you start a war and lose, the winning country gets to determine how to use the land they've won in the war, and the previous owners have ZERO RIGHTS TO THAT LAND ANY LONGER!

So cry me a river, Jew-hater!

the 1967 war is of no importance. it was only because of weapons from the US in 1973 that israel  did not lose. israel would have nothing if it did not have military help in from the US in 1973 or even after that.










 

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm

Wadi al-Khalil, an unrecognized Palestinian/Bedouin village

Do you really think it would be ANY different if Mexico attempted to settle territory in the US after they lost the Mexican-American war in 1847?  At that time, Mexico REFUSED to give up their land that Mexico previously controlled, then ceded to the United States in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 after US troops had gone deep into Mexico and even taken over Mexico City.

You want to deny to other countries the exact same authority that we in the US imposed on Mexico as Israel is imposing on the Palestinians for no other reason than your hatred of Jews.
And that's too damn bad because it ain't about to happen!

***********************************Following the end of the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, the United States Government had worked toward implementing United Nations Resolution 242 that required Israel and its Arab neighbors to conclude peace treaties in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory. Initial efforts proved unsuccessful. The Jarring initiatives, begun in November 1967 to broker a peace agreement, collapsed in 1971. The Rogers Plan of 1969 called for a settlement requiring Israel to return to its pre-1967 international borders in return for Arab recognition of Israel. However, Israel and its Arab neighbors were unable to reach a compromise over the occupied territories.With negotiations stalled, Egyptian and Syrian forces attacked Israeli forces on October 6, 1973 in the Sinai and the Golan Heights in an effort to regain territory they had lost during the 1967 war. These attacks occurred on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur, and took Israeli forces by surprise as Israeli intelligence had failed to detect the months of secret preparations by Egypt and Syria.During the first few days of the war, Egypt and Syria secured victories in the Sinai and the Golan. In the south, Egyptian forces crossed the Suez Canal and overran the Israeli military's extensive fortifications, forcing the Israelis back. The Israelis did not fare better in the Golan Heights. Israeli positions in the eastern Golan fell to the advancing Syrian army. With a lack of tanks and manpower, Israeli troops had to withdraw from many positions in the southern sector of the Golan Heights.By October 9, Israeli forces were able to contain the threat on both fronts. Because Egypt had consolidated its positions in Western Sinai instead of assisting the Syrians to the east, the Israelis used more of their resources against the Syrian forces in the Golan. Once Syria was put on the defensive, Israel could concentrate more of its forces in the Sinai. Despite these successes, Israel could not take the offensive without the certainty of an adequate supply of military equipment.In response to Israeli losses and encouraged by Soviet support of Egypt and Syria, the United States, after much deliberation, decided to intervene on behalf of Israel. The United States offered Israel a full-scale airlift of military equipment on October 10. This U.S. assistance served to replenish Israeli forces and Israel launched an offensive that retook most of it territorial losses and even gained some ground against both the Egyptians and Syrians. Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries responded to the U.S. airlift by organizing an oil embargo against the United States.

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2024, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 1:20 pm

Yes, it's called the Right of Eminent Domain, which is also guaranteed by the US and codified in the 5th Amendment of the Constitution.
Those settlements in E. Jerusalem were Israeli territory, seized in the 1967 war.   Since the Palestinians refused to concede ownership of the territory to Israel and live under their jurisdiction of Israel according to the compromise offered by the Israeli Supreme Court, they were forcibly evicted.

You want to blame Israel for winning the war that the Arab countries all launched against them and that's too damn bad!

Apparently, you want to deny that same right to another sovereign country and force Israel to give up control of the land they won, despite the fact that a Palestinian appeal was heard and rejected by the Israeli Supreme Court. 
And you expect others to feel bad about that?

The lesson here that you reuse to learn is that when you start a war and lose, the winning country gets to determine how to use the land they've won in the war, and the previous owners have ZERO RIGHTS TO THAT LAND ANY LONGER!

So cry me a river, Jew-hater!

**************
Following the end of the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, the United States Government had worked toward implementing United Nations Resolution 242 that required Israel and its Arab neighbors to conclude peace treaties in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory. Initial efforts proved unsuccessful. The Jarring initiatives, begun in November 1967 to broker a peace agreement, collapsed in 1971. The Rogers Plan of 1969 called for a settlement requiring Israel to return to its pre-1967 international borders in return for Arab recognition of Israel. However, Israel and its Arab neighbors were unable to reach a compromise over the occupied territories./////////////

to be continued.....

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 3:26 pm

**************
Following the end of the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, the United States Government had worked toward implementing United Nations Resolution 242 that required Israel and its Arab neighbors to conclude peace treaties in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory. Initial efforts proved unsuccessful. The Jarring initiatives, begun in November 1967 to broker a peace agreement, collapsed in 1971. The Rogers Plan of 1969 called for a settlement requiring Israel to return to its pre-1967 international borders in return for Arab recognition of Israel. However, Israel and its Arab neighbors were unable to reach a compromise over the occupied territories./////////////

to be continued.....

continued.........................Israel's refusal to stop fighting after a United Nations cease-fire was in place on October 22 nearly involved the Soviet Union in the military confrontation. On October 25 and 26, the Soviet Union threatened to send troops into Egypt to save the Egyptian Third Army from Israeli encirclement. The United States went on nuclear alert and, fearing that the situation might escalate into global conflict, applied pressure on Israel to obey the cease-fire.The Arab-Israeli War of 1973 ended the stalemate in peace negotiations that had existed prior to the war. Following the military confrontation against Syria and Egypt, Israel was more amenable to a peace settlement. The United States also began to re-examine its policy in the Middle East when it faced the Arab oil embargo at the end of the war. Settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict became a top priority for the United States, and U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger embarked on a negotiation mission that became known as "shuttle diplomacy." Although he did not succeed in ending the Arab-Israeli conflict, he did achieve two disengagement agreements signed between Israel and Egypt in January 1974 and September 1975 and a similar agreement between Israel and Syria in May 1994.

-------------------------Resolution 242 that required Israel and its Arab neighbors to conclude peace treaties in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory.------------------------------

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 1:32 pm

Wadi al-Khalil, an unrecognized Palestinian/Bedouin village

Do you really think it would be ANY different if Mexico attempted to settle territory in the US after they lost the Mexican-American war in 1847?  At that time, Mexico REFUSED to give up their land that Mexico previously controlled, then ceded to the United States in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 after US troops had gone deep into Mexico and even taken over Mexico City.

You want to deny to other countries the exact same authority that we in the US imposed on Mexico as Israel is imposing on the Palestinians for no other reason than your hatred of Jews.
And that's too damn bad because it ain't about to happen!

in yo face-------

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United ... lution-242

The United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was a non-binding recommendation for resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict after the June 1967 war. The resolution was adopted on November 22, 1967 and was a significant moment in the history of the conflict because it endorsed the idea of "land for peace". 
The resolution's main principles included: 

• Withdrawal: Israel would withdraw from the territories it occupied in the 1967 war 
• Peace: The resolution called for peace within secure and recognized boundaries 
• Freedom of navigation: The resolution called for freedom of navigation in international waterways 
• Refugees: The resolution called for a just settlement of the refugee problem 
• Security: The resolution called for security measures, including demilitarized zones 

 

jerra b » 14 Sep 2024, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 3:00 pm

the 1967 war is of no importance. it was only because of weapons from the US in 1973 that israel  did not lose. israel would have nothing if it did not have military help in from the US in 1973 or even after that.

Dog would have caught the rabbit if it didn't stop to pee, also. You are like Wikipedia rewriting history to a new narrative of what if actual events were only theories and theologies where evolving exceeds adapting in plain sight since rotation one's time began evolving when conceived by one's 2 parents.

31stArrival » 14 Sep 2024, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:08 pm

Dog would have caught the rabbit if it didn't stop to pee, also. You are like Wikipedia rewriting history to a new narrative of what if actual events were only theories and theologies where evolving exceeds adapting in plain sight since rotation one's time began evolving when conceived by one's 2 parents.

i wrote historical facts.   you write about an imaginary dog chasing an imaginary rabbit

jerra b » 14 Sep 2024, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:25 pm

i wrote historical facts.   you write about an imaginary dog chasing an imaginary rabbit

Historical facts are about human behavior to the generation gaps living at the time not same generation gaps debating it now. But the connections are what they have been since inception of this species native to this atmosphere each rotation of the planet so far.

You always avoid the missing links invented by intellectual minds pretending life isn't self evident eliminating any ancestors not complying to the will of the people promising better tomorrows beyond the moment alive now.

31stArrival » 14 Sep 2024, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:08 pm

Dog would have caught the rabbit if it didn't stop to pee, also. You are like Wikipedia rewriting history to a new narrative of what if actual events were only theories and theologies where evolving exceeds adapting in plain sight since rotation one's time began evolving when conceived by one's 2 parents.

historical facts

------------https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/tim ... 20military

31stArrival » 14 Sep 2024, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:29 pm

Historical facts are about human behavior to the generation gaps living at the time not same generation gaps debating it now. But the connections are what they have been since inception of this species native to this atmosphere each rotation of the planet so far.

You always avoid the missing links invented by intellectual minds pretending life isn't self evident eliminating any ancestors not complying to the will of the people promising better tomorrows beyond the moment alive now.

you are just plain stupid. your mind is missing more than a few links.

jerra b » 14 Sep 2024, 5:31 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:31 pm

you are just plain stupid. your mind is missing more than a few links.

Chain of command links follow them inside out global economics to each political movement within the species today. One species, 5 natural ancestral lineages evolved by temperate zone displacement up to 5 generation gaps of arriving numbers as 16 great great grandparents added the 8 great grandparents of the 2nd generation forward reproducing a 3rd generation of 4 grandparents delivering the two parenting each great great grandchild born daily now.

Name any quantum mechanics, theoretical physics, social consensus, in 21 religions and 1043 political parties that accept genetics is the single natural source of timing reproductions native to any atmosphere in any galaxy, solar system, planetary atmosphere working same as this one has so far?

7,000 years of history written about, all of it only debates cradle to grave time existing, in character on a world stage. My personal brain was the nucleus of my unique fertilized cell that became the organ of my central nervous system that allows me to exist in series parallel time adapting here now.

Same as yours does for you. Self evident existing in series parallel time developing between arriving a fertilized cell and becoming a decomposed corpse in plain sight.

You won't accept self evident evolving uniquely alive daily. that isn't my fault your reality is imploding.

31stArrival » 14 Sep 2024, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 5:39 pm

Chain of command links follow them inside out global economics to each political movement within the species today. One species, 5 natural ancestral lineages evolved by temperate zone displacement up to 5 generation gaps of arriving numbers as 16 great great grandparents added the 8 great grandparents of the 2nd generation forward reproducing a 3rd generation of 4 grandparents delivering the two parenting each great great grandchild born daily now.

Name any quantum mechanics, theoretical physics, social consensus, in 21 religions and 1043 political parties that accept genetics is the single natural source of timing reproductions native to any atmosphere in any galaxy, solar system, planetary atmosphere working same as this one has so far?

7,000 years of history written about, all of it only debates cradle to grave time existing, in character on a world stage. My personal brain was the nucleus of my unique fertilized cell that became the organ of my central nervous system that allows me to exist in series parallel time adapting here now.

Same as yours does for you. Self evident existing in series parallel time developing between arriving a fertilized cell and becoming a decomposed corpse in plain sight.

You won't accept self evident evolving uniquely alive daily. that isn't my fault your reality is imploding.

just what I said you are plain stupid.

jerra b » 14 Sep 2024, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 6:03 pm

just what I said you are plain stupid.

And I am sure there are about 8 billion others agreeing with you to disagree with me about everything universally here in plain sight is self evident time simply adapting since conceived within this species alone, daily.

1,064 intellectual ways to define life differently than simply evolving as genetically delivered into living eternally separated now. You debate 6 degrees of separation only has 2 sides, yet I can fact check 1,064 ways ancestries are intellectually divided daily.

All 1,064 are truth to their ancestral beliefs among the entire 8.2 billion humans existing now. My brain doesn't mind people ignoring life in plain sight, but I do compromise with those willing to eliminate me for being honest about evolving forward in real time.

those fine lines between actual and factual, real time and relative time semantics, genius and insanity, honesty, honestly, completely corrupted.

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 3:34 pm

in yo face-------

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United ... lution-242

The United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 was a non-binding recommendation for resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict after the June 1967 war. The resolution was adopted on November 22, 1967 and was a significant moment in the history of the conflict because it endorsed the idea of "land for peace". 
The resolution's main principles included: 

• Withdrawal: Israel would withdraw from the territories it occupied in the 1967 war 
• Peace: The resolution called for peace within secure and recognized boundaries 
• Freedom of navigation: The resolution called for freedom of navigation in international waterways 
• Refugees: The resolution called for a just settlement of the refugee problem 
• Security: The resolution called for security measures, including demilitarized zones 

 So tell me, stupid.  
Did this work?

The Israelis supported the resolution because it called on the Arab states to accept Israel’s right “to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

How come Israel still faced rocket and missile attack every day FOR YEARS from Arab countries?
Do you not understand that when ONE SIDE breaks an agreement, the other side is no longer required to hold to the agreement?

Is that so difficult for you to understand?
 

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 3:17 pm

***********************************Following the end of the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, the United States Government had worked toward implementing United Nations Resolution 242 that required Israel and its Arab neighbors to conclude peace treaties in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory. Initial efforts proved unsuccessful. The Jarring initiatives, begun in November 1967 to broker a peace agreement, collapsed in 1971. The Rogers Plan of 1969 called for a settlement requiring Israel to return to its pre-1967 international borders in return for Arab recognition of Israel. However, Israel and its Arab neighbors were unable to reach a compromise over the occupied territories.With negotiations stalled, Egyptian and Syrian forces attacked Israeli forces on October 6, 1973 in the Sinai and the Golan Heights in an effort to regain territory they had lost during the 1967 war. These attacks occurred on the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur, and took Israeli forces by surprise as Israeli intelligence had failed to detect the months of secret preparations by Egypt and Syria.During the first few days of the war, Egypt and Syria secured victories in the Sinai and the Golan. In the south, Egyptian forces crossed the Suez Canal and overran the Israeli military's extensive fortifications, forcing the Israelis back. The Israelis did not fare better in the Golan Heights. Israeli positions in the eastern Golan fell to the advancing Syrian army. With a lack of tanks and manpower, Israeli troops had to withdraw from many positions in the southern sector of the Golan Heights.By October 9, Israeli forces were able to contain the threat on both fronts. Because Egypt had consolidated its positions in Western Sinai instead of assisting the Syrians to the east, the Israelis used more of their resources against the Syrian forces in the Golan. Once Syria was put on the defensive, Israel could concentrate more of its forces in the Sinai. Despite these successes, Israel could not take the offensive without the certainty of an adequate supply of military equipment.In response to Israeli losses and encouraged by Soviet support of Egypt and Syria, the United States, after much deliberation, decided to intervene on behalf of Israel. The United States offered Israel a full-scale airlift of military equipment on October 10. This U.S. assistance served to replenish Israeli forces and Israel launched an offensive that retook most of it territorial losses and even gained some ground against both the Egyptians and Syrians. Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries responded to the U.S. airlift by organizing an oil embargo against the United States.

So answer me, fool!
WAS THAT PEACE AGREEMENTKEPT BY EVERY ARAB COUNTRY OR DID THEY BREAK IT?
 

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 3:00 pm

the 1967 war is of no importance. it was only because of weapons from the US in 1973 that israel  did not lose. israel would have nothing if it did not have military help in from the US in 1973 or even after that.

And what does THAT prove, moron?
Didn't the United Nations grant the resolution that called for the creation of the State of Israel?:

United Nations Resolution 181, resolution passed by the United Nations (UN) General Assembly in 1947 that called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states, with the city of Jerusalem as a corpus separatum (Latin: “separate entity”) to be governed by a special international regime. The resolution—which was considered by the Jewish community in Palestine to be a legal basis for the establishment of Israel, and which was rejected by the Arab community—was succeeded almost immediately by violence.

So why shouldn't the US help to provide the defensive military arms required to enact that UN order with sufficient security?

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 2:56 pm

it would be a lot different if the US did not help israel in 1973.

So what?
Right from the day the UN created the democratic state of Israel, the US recognized it as an important ally in the region and worth supporting with our military.

And anti-Semites like you can't stand that fact, simply because you hate Jews.

jerrab » 14 Sep 2024, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2024, 2:28 pm

and if it was not america's weapons they would have gotten it back.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/tim ... 20military.

1973-----

In response to Israeli losses and encouraged by Soviet support of Egypt and Syria, the United States, after much deliberation, decided to intervene on behalf of Israel. The United States offered Israel a full-scale airlift of military equipment on October 10. This U.S. assistance served to replenish Israeli forces and Israel launched an offensive that retook most of it territorial losses and even gained some ground against both the Egyptians and Syrians. Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries responded to the U.S. airlift by organizing an oil embargo against the United States.

Let me guess, you wanted the US to ignore how the Soviet Union backed the Arab nations and stand by while they attempted to wipe out the nation of Israel?

So you choose to pout about it now because we helped defend the only Democratic nation in the region maintain their security against its hostile neighbors?
Did that oil embargo work to help them defeat Israel or was it nothing more than a useless gesture that hurt OPEC as much as it hurt the US?
You should be delighted to have learned that the US became ENERGY INDEPENDENT under Trump, that is of course until the idiots YOU support GAVE AWAY THAT ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND FORCED US TO BUY OIL FROM TERRORIST NATIONS ONCE AGAIN!

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2024, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2024, 9:07 am

 So tell me, stupid.  
Did this work?

How come Israel still faced rocket and missile attack every day FOR YEARS from Arab countries?
Do you not understand that when ONE SIDE breaks an agreement, the other side is no longer required to hold to the agreement?

Is that so difficult for you to understand?

so  tell dumb *** how do the evictions not break the agreement?