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As @maineman  casts his vote for CRUSHING AND NATION DESTROYING "Green New Deal" !!

Below I show how the Green New Deal can cause the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500. The reason is simple. Wind and solar require a lot of battery backup and we use a tremendous amount of electricity so the cost of all these batteries is many trillions of dollars.

 Here is the basic derivation. It is kept simple and the numbers are all rounded off so they can be remembered. (The U.S. Energy Department should have done a detailed analysis long ago.)

 — The electricity storage capacity required to replace today’s fossil fueled electricity generation nationwide with intermittent wind and solar is 250,000 MWh.
— Assume grid scale battery facilities cost $300,000 per MWh of storage capacity. (Today’s cost is higher.)
— Thus the capital cost of this storage is 75 trillion dollars.
— Spreading this cost over 20 years gives an annual cost of 3.75 trillion dollars
.— U.S. household electricity usage is 1.5 trillion KWh per year.
— Thus the household cost is $2.50 per KWh
.— Average household usage is 10,500 KWh/yr.
— Thus the annual household cost of this storage capacity is $26,250.
— Today’s average annual electric bill is $1,800.— Thus the electricity cost increase is over 14 times as much.

In short everyone’s electricity bill will be 14 times greater than today if wind and solar replace today’s fossil fuel powered generation under the Green New Deal.

 This will be true of industrial and commercial consumers as well which will drive up the cost of virtually all goods and services. This impact is truly inflationary.

 But this does include the electrification of transportation and gas heat which are also part of the Green New Deal. Electrification is often estimated to roughly double the amount of electricity generated.

 — Given electrification the cost of electricity might jump a whopping 28 times today’s cost. The Green New Deal causes the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500.

 
 

Beekeeper » 04 Sep 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:08 am

As @maineman  casts his vote for CRUSHING AND NATION DESTROYING "Green New Deal" !!

Below I show how the Green New Deal can cause the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500. The reason is simple. Wind and solar require a lot of battery backup and we use a tremendous amount of electricity so the cost of all these batteries is many trillions of dollars.

 Here is the basic derivation. It is kept simple and the numbers are all rounded off so they can be remembered. (The U.S. Energy Department should have done a detailed analysis long ago.)

 — The electricity storage capacity required to replace today’s fossil fueled electricity generation nationwide with intermittent wind and solar is 250,000 MWh.
— Assume grid scale battery facilities cost $300,000 per MWh of storage capacity. (Today’s cost is higher.)
— Thus the capital cost of this storage is 75 trillion dollars.
— Spreading this cost over 20 years gives an annual cost of 3.75 trillion dollars
.— U.S. household electricity usage is 1.5 trillion KWh per year.
— Thus the household cost is $2.50 per KWh
.— Average household usage is 10,500 KWh/yr.
— Thus the annual household cost of this storage capacity is $26,250.
— Today’s average annual electric bill is $1,800.— Thus the electricity cost increase is over 14 times as much.

In short everyone’s electricity bill will be 14 times greater than today if wind and solar replace today’s fossil fuel powered generation under the Green New Deal.

 This will be true of industrial and commercial consumers as well which will drive up the cost of virtually all goods and services. This impact is truly inflationary.

 But this does include the electrification of transportation and gas heat which are also part of the Green New Deal. Electrification is often estimated to roughly double the amount of electricity generated.

 — Given electrification the cost of electricity might jump a whopping 28 times today’s cost. The Green New Deal causes the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500.

Don't forget the grid...it's already inadequate...add to the cost for upgrading and increased capacity....  

ROG62 » 04 Sep 2024, 7:12 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:12 am

Don't forget the grid...it's already inadequate...add to the cost for upgrading and increased capacity....

I saw an article that calculated the cost of upgrading the grid necessary to go to all EV"s. The costs where staggering around $7-10 TRILLION alone just to have adequate transmission into our existing grid. AND even that needs upgrading as the voltages are much LOWER in transmitting the "clean energy" which requires MUCH HEAVIER cables to transmit. When you go from 250KVa transmission to 6.25KVa transmission, you MUST have nearly 3 times greater thickness in your cabling. So add another $10-15 TRILLION and more mining to get the copper needed. 

What these "greenies" don't seem to get is that the COSTS are something AS A NATION we can't absorb nor PAY FOR and the DESTRUCTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT that is required to meet their goals is 20 times greater than leaving things as they are now.

LWNJs are the **** STUPIDEST PIECES OF DUMB **** THAT EVER SUCKED AIR!!


And wat@Blackvegetable  tells me how wrong I am about "thicker cables" needed to transmit lower voltages!!

Beekeeper » 04 Sep 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:08 am

As @maineman  casts his vote for CRUSHING AND NATION DESTROYING "Green New Deal" !!

Below I show how the Green New Deal can cause the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500. The reason is simple. Wind and solar require a lot of battery backup and we use a tremendous amount of electricity so the cost of all these batteries is many trillions of dollars.

 Here is the basic derivation. It is kept simple and the numbers are all rounded off so they can be remembered. (The U.S. Energy Department should have done a detailed analysis long ago.)

 — The electricity storage capacity required to replace today’s fossil fueled electricity generation nationwide with intermittent wind and solar is 250,000 MWh.
— Assume grid scale battery facilities cost $300,000 per MWh of storage capacity. (Today’s cost is higher.)
— Thus the capital cost of this storage is 75 trillion dollars.
— Spreading this cost over 20 years gives an annual cost of 3.75 trillion dollars
.— U.S. household electricity usage is 1.5 trillion KWh per year.
— Thus the household cost is $2.50 per KWh
.— Average household usage is 10,500 KWh/yr.
— Thus the annual household cost of this storage capacity is $26,250.
— Today’s average annual electric bill is $1,800.— Thus the electricity cost increase is over 14 times as much.

In short everyone’s electricity bill will be 14 times greater than today if wind and solar replace today’s fossil fuel powered generation under the Green New Deal.

 This will be true of industrial and commercial consumers as well which will drive up the cost of virtually all goods and services. This impact is truly inflationary.

 But this does include the electrification of transportation and gas heat which are also part of the Green New Deal. Electrification is often estimated to roughly double the amount of electricity generated.

 — Given electrification the cost of electricity might jump a whopping 28 times today’s cost. The Green New Deal causes the average household electricity bill to go up a crushing $52,500.

He seems to be holding up under those $65,000/mo ObamaCare premiums.

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am

He seems to be holding up under those $65,000/mo ObamaCare premiums.

Hey...
Remember when Obama said no illegals would be on Obamacare???

What happened?
 

BooRadley » 04 Sep 2024, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:40 am

Hey...
Remember when Obama said no illegals would be on Obamacare???

What happened?

Time passed. Obama ascended to the top 10 of American presidents, providing a stark contrast with his successor, 2XWorse than Buchanan.  

This has driven FOX and its muddleheaded constituents to insanity. To this dwindling universe of slack jawed rubes, Immigration is everything....only because it's all that FOX has to give them.

To illustrate, why don't you post the number of hours you spend, each day, nursing at the FOXNews teat.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am

Time passed. Obama ascended to the top 10 of American president's, providing a stark contrast with his successor, 2XWorse than Buchanan.  

This has driven FOX and its muddleheaded constituents to insanity. To this dwindling universe of slack jawed rubes, Immigration is everything....only because it's all that FOX has to give them.

To illustrate, why don't you post the number of hours you spend, each day, nursing at the FOXNews teat.

Remarkable how you don't address how illegals are on Obamacare after he promised it would never happen...

 
 

BooRadley » 04 Sep 2024, 7:50 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:50 am

Remarkable how you don't address how illegals are on Obamacare after he promised it would never happen...

I just did, Hole.

He plays no role in policy anymore.

What's remarkable is that you STILL run from my question. 
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am

He seems to be holding up under those $65,000/mo ObamaCare premiums.

You STUPID **** DICKHEAD!!

You realize he doesn't have ovomitcare, right?? Try he has VA **** which under your boy and girl, is even WORSE!!

At the very least, Trump made sure that our vets could get care ANYWHERE and the VA would pay. Biden-Harris ENDED THAT ONE!!

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 8:00 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 8:00 am

I just did, Hole.

He plays no role in policy anymore.

What's remarkable is that you STILL run from my question.

No you didn't...
You never answered about Obamacare 
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am

Time passed. Obama ascended to the top 10 of American presidents, providing a stark contrast with his successor, 2XWorse than Buchanan.  

This has driven FOX and its muddleheaded constituents to insanity. To this dwindling universe of slack jawed rubes, Immigration is everything....only because it's all that FOX has to give them.

To illustrate, why don't you post the number of hours you spend, each day, nursing at the FOXNews teat.

SO, DICKFACE, when did the LAW CHANGE and who changed it??

Beekeeper » 04 Sep 2024, 8:11 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 8:11 am

SO, DICKFACE, when did the LAW CHANGE and who changed it??

Exactly...

His response?

"time passed"....
 

"time passed"

Anyone keeping track on the Obama lies?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01CLg7yIjOU

BooRadley » 04 Sep 2024, 8:51 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 8:51 am

Exactly...

His response?

"time passed"....

And of course, it was just another Obama lie to add on to the list:
"If you like your doctor you can keep him"
"If you like your health insurance you can keep it"
"Healthcare insurance will drop by an average of $2500 per family"

So we might as well add this one:
"Obamacare will never be freely given to illegals until we change our mind"
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:47 am

Time passed. Obama ascended to the top 10 of American presidents, providing a stark contrast with his successor, 2XWorse than Buchanan.  

This has driven FOX and its muddleheaded constituents to insanity. To this dwindling universe of slack jawed rubes, Immigration is everything....only because it's all that FOX has to give them.

To illustrate, why don't you post the number of hours you spend, each day, nursing at the FOXNews teat.

WHEN did the LAW CHANGE and WHO CHANGED IT!!!

CURB STOMPING administered AGAIN!!!

           

another day, another demonstration how I live rent free in Dr. Bee's head. I've had him on ignore for weeks and weeks and he still humps my leg nearly every day!    
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 7:37 am

He seems to be holding up under those $65,000/mo ObamaCare premiums.

Yeah... I don't have Obamacare.  I have TriCare for Life.... which is the DoD provided deluxe health insurance for military retirees.  Folks who didn't serve beyond their initial enlistment get VA benefits, which have never been all that great, to be honest.

maineman » 04 Sep 2024, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2024, 10:20 am

another day, another demonstration how I live rent free in Dr. Bee's head. I've had him on ignore for weeks and weeks and he still humps my leg nearly every day!  

You answered, YOU STUPID **** DAUGHTER DIDDLER!!

So who lives RENT FREE AGAIN?? Your CHILDISH GAMES are all you have and are a DEAD GIVEAWAY as to WHO and WHAT you really are!! A FAKE PIECE OF **** with no moral compass and ZERO INTEGRITY!! 

                   
 

no problem paying 52k$ for sparks.  you will be making a million a year. there will be a massive inflation in usa. usa national debt out of control. buyers of usa debt running away. look at history of nations who lost control of their national debts. sack of domestic currencies, to buy an egg. get out of usa based dollars.  the majority of usa people live in big city slums. they are the harris base. love usa and be part of  the crash. or take your money and run!!