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ConsRule » Today, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:47 am

Really? Based on what?  The authorities investigated the kid a year ago when the threat was made and found no probable cause to investigate further or take further action.  So why is it a crime for the father to purchase a legal weapon as a gift for his son who can legally posses it?

I have no doubt you will do everything other that actually answer the questions.

the father said his son had no access to guns but then went ahead and bought him an assault rifle
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-sc ... oting-gun/

During a May 2023 investigation into online threats of a shooting, local police spoke with the suspect's father, who said he, the father, owned hunting rifles but the teen did not have unsupervised access to them, according to incident reports obtained by CBS News. 
 
 
 

Are these guns legal in Georgia?
Georgia law prohibits minors from possessing handguns, but there is no minimum age to possess a rifle or shotgun in Georgia. The state also has few restrictions for adults who wish to carry firearms.

Under both state and federal law, the teenager would not have been legally allowed to buy a handgun, rifle or shotgun. According to the Giffords Center, individuals must be at least 18 years old to purchase handguns in Georgia, while federal law sets the same minimum age for buying shotguns and rifles, as stated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

"We've seen this 14-year-old shooter had made threats a year before. The father apparently said to the police that he bought the AR-style weapon for a Christmas present for his minor child," Kris Brown, president of gun control advocacy organization Brady, told CBS News' Natalie Brand, drawing a parallel to the case of James and Jennifer Crumbley, the first parents in the U.S. to be convicted in a mass school shooting carried out by their child.

yep, the law needs to be changed.

Are these guns legal in Georgia?
Georgia law prohibits minors from possessing handguns, but there is no minimum age to possess a rifle or shotgun in Georgia. The state also has few restrictions for adults who wish to carry firearms.

jerra b » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

yep, the law needs to be changed.

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Are these guns legal in Georgia?
Georgia law prohibits minors from possessing handguns, but there is no minimum age to possess a rifle or shotgun in Georgia. The state also has few restrictions for adults who wish to carry firearms.
 

you need to change what you choose to mind in real time.

Blackvegetable » Today, 6:43 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:43 am

Criminally **** parenting.

It happens.

A lot.

Investigators believe that Colt Gray received the AR-style weapon that he ultimately used to allegedly carry out the mass shooting at Apalachee High School as a Christmas present from his father, sources told ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/apalachee-hs- ... =113410120

who will be the first moron to accuse me of waging war on Christmas? 

Blackvegetable » Yesterday, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 6:47 pm

Investigators believe that Colt Gray received the AR-style weapon that he ultimately used to allegedly carry out the mass shooting at Apalachee High School as a Christmas present from his father, sources told ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/apalachee-hs- ... =113410120

who will be the first moron to accuse me of waging war on Christmas?

NO QUESTIONS, DICK SUCKER!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/10/d3 ... fb8c8a.gif

 

Blackvegetable » Yesterday, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 9:51 am

You don't appear to be schooled on the details of this matter.

The charges against the father are rediculous and totally obsurd...
Buying an AR for his son as a Christmas gift.... broke no laws and was his legal right to do so in his state.
And does not make the father in any way culpable for his sons crimes .....
Just like when a father who buys his teenage son a car as a gift ....and then that son goes out and drinks and drives without his father knowing and kills 5 people in a car accident ......



 

Punch » Yesterday, 1:39 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 1:39 am

Will be a divisive case. I applaud it.

Father Of Georgia School Shooting Suspect Charged With Murder (msn.com)

The father of the 14-year-old suspected of killing multiple students in a shooting at Georgia’s Apalachee High School was arrested and charged with two counts of second-degree murder Thursday, marking some of the most serious charges ever received by the parent of a suspected mass shooter.The suspected shooter’s father, Colin Gray, was arrested and charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, according to the Georgie Bureau of Investigation. The charges come after Gray told investigators he bought the gun used in the school shooting as a gift to his son, Colt, in 2023.

As he should be.  The father was a wackjob who gave his son a semiautomatic rifle.  The mother was a drug using criminal with a violent streak who basically mentally, and maybe physically, abused the kid.  THEY turned this kid into a basket case.
 

jerrab » Yesterday, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 1:19 pm

the father said his son had no access to guns but then went ahead and bought him an assault rifle
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-sc ... oting-gun/

During a May 2023 investigation into online threats of a shooting, local police spoke with the suspect's father, who said he, the father, owned hunting rifles but the teen did not have unsupervised access to them, according to incident reports obtained by CBS News.
 

According to your post...you lied about what the father said.  The father said he did not have "unsupervised access to them".  That is NOT the same a no access.  It was not a crime for the father to purchase the gun...it is not a crime to gift that gun to his son...it is not a crime for the son to possess the gun.

If the legal authorities who investigated the kid did not find probable cause to continue the investigation or to take any action related to the threat, the neither the father nor the kid should lose their constitutional right.
 

Blackvegetable » Yesterday, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 12:59 pm

Yes, I have.

Have you ever answered mine, Connie?

Not in this thread.  As for other thread in history...


GET
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  IT

ConsRule » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

16 minutes ago

Not in this thread.  As for other thread in history...

GET
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  IT

I no longer answer your questions.
You're a coward.

Psychotic, heal thyself.

ConsRule » Today, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:23 pm

According to your post...you lied about what the father said.  The father said he did not have "unsupervised access to them".  That is NOT the same a no access.  It was not a crime for the father to purchase the gun...it is not a crime to gift that gun to his son...it is not a crime for the son to possess the gun.

If the legal authorities who investigated the kid did not find probable cause to continue the investigation or to take any action related to the threat, the neither the father nor the kid should lose their constitutional right.

and what is meant by no unsupervised access?

jerrab » 30 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

30 minutes ago

and what is meant by no unsupervised access?

That he has access when being supervised.  No access would be he cannot use the guns.

Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course.
 

ConsRule » Today, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 7:46 pm

That he has access when being supervised.  No access would be he cannot use the guns.

Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course.

did  the father supervise him while he was shooting at the school?

 

Blackvegetable » 06 Sep 2024, 6:43 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 6:43 am

Criminally **** parenting.

It happens.

A lot.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... yshack.jpg
 

sootedupCyndi » 06 Sep 2024, 6:51 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 6:51 am

I don't know all the details yet. 

Bingo. 

ConsRule » 06 Sep 2024, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:47 am

Really? Based on what?  The authorities investigated the kid a year ago when the threat was made and found no probable cause to investigate further or take further action.  So why is it a crime for the father to purchase a legal weapon as a gift for his son who can legally posses it?

I have no doubt you will do everything other that actually answer the questions.

The incompetence of police - or lack of evidence, as the case may be - does not comment on the culpability of the parent. The parent shares a home with the boy - the police do not. 

I have NO IDEA what evidence GA authorities believe they have that would prove to a jury the dad knew or ought to have known his kid was a fruit basket. That's why I have no strong opinion on the matter. I DO know that I don't trust the state to refrain from political prosecutions - we saw those in the cases of george floyd, the Kenosh Kid, George Zimmerman, and Donald J. Milhouse Trump.

That said, I reserve judgment awaiting further information. If I had to bet, my money would go to the wager that this is a political prosecution NOT designed to mollify the public but to inflame it, setting one citizen against another in vitriolic opposition on a hot-button issue, with the aim and intention of tearing this nation apart. 

Those who govern us may wish us no ill, but those who govern those who govern us CLEARLY wish our destruction. 
 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 06 Sep 2024, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 9:51 am

You run this con EVERY **** TIME, Connie

You don't appear to be schooled on the details of this matter.

You and he and I have that in common. 

From what reliable source would one GET such details?

Fox? MSNBC? Rolling Stone? Tell us where to get the straight skinny. Not from the OP, to be sure.

I doubt even the prosecutor or the dad are truly "schooled on the details of this matter." 

I CERTAINLY find the notion that the dad had any idea his kid would be a school shooter preposterous. But the prosecutor must remove that doubt from the minds of 12 if he is to prevail. Or, at a minimum, he must convince them the dad's failure to fear such was wantonly negligent. Which brings us back to the details of the matter, which neither you nor the OP have presented, which leads ME to presume that you, like me and like the OP, are not "schooled on the details of this matter."

Indeed, if you look closely at the question you didn't answer, you will see that HE was asking YOU for "the details of this matter."

jerrab » 06 Sep 2024, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 1:13 pm

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/ ... 083441007/

Thank you, jerrab.

So there it is, @ConsRule. The dad told the investigators the child did not have unsupervised access to the guns. Then the kid got one of the guns - unsupervised - and did the mass shooting he had apparently presaged on social media.

If the GBI had taken the guns away, you'd have found that objectionable - as would I. They didn't. You cannot blame them at this stage for NOT doing what you'd have objected to at a previous stage. By your lights, the GBI was correct not to confiscate the dad's guns based on whatever it was the kid had said on social media. Which leaves the blame, if blame there be beyond the kid himself, squarely on the dad who promised he did not have unsupervised access to the guns and then allowed him to gain unsupervised access to the guns, after (apparently) making threats to conduct a mass shooting on social media. 

Beyond all of that, we know nothing. It will go before a jury, and during the trial we will learn enough to even have an opinion on the legitimacy of this arrest. 

Blackvegetable » 06 Sep 2024, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2024, 6:47 pm

Investigators believe that Colt Gray received the AR-style weapon that he ultimately used to allegedly carry out the mass shooting at Apalachee High School as a Christmas present from his father, sources told ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/apalachee-hs- ... =113410120

who will be the first moron to accuse me of waging war on Christmas?

Wait.

They arrested SANTA CLAUSE???   

He's just a nice old man that gives children stuff if they sit on his lap and be good boys and girls. 

Oh, ****. He's been my target all along. I appear to have stumbled across MISTER BIG!  :omg:  

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