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maineman » 09 Sep 2024, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Sep 2024, 7:17 pm

Seriously... not one MAGA scrotum sucker dares to step up and explain their demigod's answer to the simple question about childcare legislation?

nobody?

crickets?

that's it?

Donald's unscripted message has you confused.......maybe you prefer the sex sounds Kameltoe makes when she was deep-throating Willy to launch her perverted career. The crazy bitch has reversed herself  on at least 5 key policy positions in the last month......I guess you don't follow unimportant stuff like that, though. You'll vote the way they tell you to and like it.....because not only can you not discern the truth, you're also a wimpy little guy.

 

But I am curious, @Zeets2  ... who has proposed "FREE childcare for ALL?"
 

RebelGator » 11 Sep 2024, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:07 pm

Donald's unscripted message has you confused.......maybe you prefer the sex sounds Kameltoe makes when she was deep-throating Willy to launch her perverted career. The crazy bitch has reversed herself  on at least 5 key policy positions in the last month......I guess you don't follow unimportant stuff like that, though. You'll vote the way they tell you to and like it.....because not only can you not discern the truth, you're also a wimpy little guy.

So I guess that is a "no"?

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:07 pm

asked and answered.

Actually, you DIDN'T answer whether or not you supported Harris' plan to provide free sex change surgery free of charge to all illegals, even those in prison!

Will you now also admit you support that, along with her promise to approve abortions in the 9th month of pregnancy, and giving new business startups a gift of $50,000 plus another $25,000 to $150,000 to buy a new home?
 

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:11 pm

But I am curious, @Zeets2  ... who has proposed "FREE childcare for ALL?"

The idiot you support, that's who!

VP Kamala Harris unveils proposed rule change to cut US childcare costs
By Reuters
July 11, 2023

The proposed rule would limit working parents' co-payments under the Child Care & Development Block Grant (CCDBG) program to no more than 7% of a family’s income.
The program subsidizes child care for families with income below 85% of their state's median income level, but requires most to pay a small co-payment.
The proposal, which will have a 45-day comment period, will encourage states to waive co-payments for families at or below 150% of the federal poverty level, the White House said in a fact sheet on the changes. A senior administration official said the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) hoped to publish the final rule in spring 2024.

Do you doubt that would include giving it for free to an illegal who works at McDonald's?

Isn't it time you learned enough about the socialist you support before you decide to vote for her?
Of course, it's your choice entirely as to how ignorant you choose to be on such an unimportant topic as who will be the next president, right?
 

Zeets2 » 11 Sep 2024, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:33 pm

The idiot you support, that's who!

Do you doubt that would include giving it for free to an illegal who works at McDonald's?

Isn't it time you learned enough about the socialist you support before you decide to vote for her?
Of course, it's your choice entirely as to how ignorant you choose to be on such an unimportant topic as who will be the next president, right?

You said FREE childcare for ALL.  Looks like there's a co-pay in that proposal... so you lied.  Imagine that.

And I have NEVER read anything from Harris that stated she wanted to nationalize the means of production

Zeets2 » 11 Sep 2024, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:14 pm

Actually, you DIDN'T answer whether or not you supported Harris' plan to provide free sex change surgery free of charge to all illegals, even those in prison!

Will you now also admit you support that, along with her promise to approve abortions in the 9th month of pregnancy, and giving new business startups a gift of $50,000 plus another $25,000 to $150,000 to buy a new home?

I disagree with free sex change surgery for anybody.
I am pro-choice, and I think that any time in a woman's pregnancy she becomes aware of fetal non-viability or her own health is placed at risk by continuing to carry to term, she and her doctor should deal with that problem without interference from the government.  
Harris's small business startup proposal is not a cash gift but a business expense tax deduction.  I support it.

I am going to avoid you nickel and diming me on all of Harris's individual policy proposals and just tell you that I do not agree with every single plank in the DNC platform.  I will further tell you that I have the following two documents downloaded to my MacBook:

https://democrats.org/wp-content/upload ... ATFORM.pdf
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... atform.pdf

I have read them both.  I  am pretty confident you haven't.

I have read both parties' platforms every four years since 1972, with the exception of 2020, when the GOP released nothing other than a crayon scrawl on a piece of construction paper saying   WHATEVER THE ORANGE GUY WANTS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR US.  

In all those years, I have never agreed with every plank in my party's platform, but I have always agreed with more Democratic planks than Republican planks in that time.

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 3:13 pm

I disagree with free sex change surgery for anybody.
I am pro-choice, and I think that any time in a woman's pregnancy she becomes aware of fetal non-viability or her own health is placed at risk by continuing to carry to term, she and her doctor should deal with that problem without interference from the government.  
Harris's small business startup proposal is not a cash gift but a business expense tax deduction.  I support it.

I am going to avoid you nickel and diming me on all of Harris's individual policy proposals and just tell you that I do not agree with every single plank in the DNC platform.  I will further tell you that I have the following two documents downloaded to my MacBook:

https://democrats.org/wp-content/upload ... ATFORM.pdf
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... atform.pdf

I have read them both.  I  am pretty confident you haven't.

I have read both parties' platforms every four years since 1972, with the exception of 2020, when the GOP released nothing other than a crayon scrawl on a piece of construction paper saying   WHATEVER THE ORANGE GUY WANTS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR US.  

In all those years, I have never agreed with every plank in my party's platform, but I have always agreed with more Democratic planks than Republican planks in that time.

You are wrong about 2020.  The released the 2016 platform due to COVID. 

 

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm

You said FREE childcare for ALL.  Looks like there's a co-pay in that proposal... so you lied.  Imagine that.

And I have NEVER read anything from Harris that stated she wanted to nationalize the means of production

The QUESTION you need to ANSWER is, SINCE WHEN did the GOVERNMENT have any ENUMERATED POWER under the Constitution to provide ANY CHILDCARE EXPENSE PAYMENTS TO ANYONE???

GO, DICKBREATH DAUGHTER DIDDLER!!

Oh, that's right, you're a **** COWARD who puts people that KICK YOUR NASTY DAUGHTER DIDDLING ***, ON IGNORE!!

COWARD YELLOW **** ASSHOLE!!

@Zeets2  #86 & #87 are anxiously awaiting your reply thereto.  

maineman » 12 Sep 2024, 8:49 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 8:49 am

@Zeets2  #86 & #87 are anxiously awaiting your reply thereto.

Already answered at #154.
Don't be so impatient!

You're not the only ignorant liberal here that I have to respond to, you know!
Sometimes you have to wait in line to receive my abuse, which apparently is in high demand!
 

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm

You said FREE childcare for ALL.  Looks like there's a co-pay in that proposal... so you lied.  Imagine that.

And I have NEVER read anything from Harris that stated she wanted to nationalize the means of production

@Zeets2  ??

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 3:13 pm

I disagree with free sex change surgery for anybody.
I am pro-choice, and I think that any time in a woman's pregnancy she becomes aware of fetal non-viability or her own health is placed at risk by continuing to carry to term, she and her doctor should deal with that problem without interference from the government.  
Harris's small business startup proposal is not a cash gift but a business expense tax deduction.  I support it.

I am going to avoid you nickel and diming me on all of Harris's individual policy proposals and just tell you that I do not agree with every single plank in the DNC platform.  I will further tell you that I have the following two documents downloaded to my MacBook:

https://democrats.org/wp-content/upload ... ATFORM.pdf
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... atform.pdf

I have read them both.  I  am pretty confident you haven't.

I have read both parties' platforms every four years since 1972, with the exception of 2020, when the GOP released nothing other than a crayon scrawl on a piece of construction paper saying   WHATEVER THE ORANGE GUY WANTS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR US.  

In all those years, I have never agreed with every plank in my party's platform, but I have always agreed with more Democratic planks than Republican planks in that time.

@Zeets2  ???

Why is the federal govt involved in child care at all?

maineman » 11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2024, 2:52 pm

You said FREE childcare for ALL.  Looks like there's a co-pay in that proposal... so you lied.  Imagine that.

And I have NEVER read anything from Harris that stated she wanted to nationalize the means of production

So am I to understand that you agree with the policy to give free child care to ANY illegals?
You're busy picking at straws when a bale of hay has been dropped on your liberal head!

What percentage of illegals who came here with just the clothes on their back do you think would have ANY income that would exempt them from eligibility when they can't come CLOSE to getting a job that would pay them more than such absurd minimal requirements they want?

Did you even read this?

The program subsidizes child care for families with income below 85% of their state's median income level, but requires most to pay a small co-payment.
The proposal, which will have a 45-day comment period, will encourage states to waive co-payments for families at or below 150% of the federal poverty level

maineman » 12 Sep 2024, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 10:10 am

@Zeets2  ???

So tell me, fool.
Just looked at the Table of Contents from your first link and I have to ask how much you think filling that wish-list of liberal dreams would cost, and how much your taxes would have to increase to pay for the Green New Deal alone, which is estimated to cost between $51 TRILLION and $93 TRILLION? Add in another $40 TRILLION or so to pay for the universal healthcare she's promised, then throw in another $600 BILLION to pay for her child care promise plus another $4 TRILLION to cover her promise to cut taxes for working families, plus another $125 BILLION she wants for housing subsidies.

What We Know About Kamala Harris’s $5 Trillion Tax Plan So FarThe vice president supports the tax increases proposed by the Biden White House, according to her campaign.
NY Times

Are you really going to tell me that you looked at that list of 92 pages of Harris' plan giveaways, and it never crossed your pea-sized brain to consider how much it will cost in new taxes and new debt or how other programs she's got planned like her idiotic idea to tax unrealized gains would destroy the stock market and the entire US and world economy?

And you actually expect anyone to believe you're some kind of economic expert?
Then tell me how much in taxes a bright fellow like you would be willing to pay to achieve the goals of the person you support?

Zeets2 » 12 Sep 2024, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 11:02 am

So tell me, fool.
Just looked at the Table of Contents from your first link and I have to ask how much you think filling that wish-list of liberal dreams would cost, and how much your taxes would have to increase to pay for the Green New Deal alone, which is estimated to cost between $51 TRILLION and $93 TRILLION? Add in another $40 TRILLION or so to pay for the universal healthcare she's promised, then throw in another $600 BILLION to pay for her child care promise plus another $4 TRILLION to cover her promise to cut taxes for working families, plus another $125 BILLION she wants for housing subsidies.

Are you really going to tell me that you looked at that list of 92 pages of Harris' plan giveaways, and it never crossed your pea-sized brain to consider how much it will cost in new taxes and new debt or how other programs she's got planned like her idiotic idea to tax unrealized gains would destroy the stock market and the entire US and world economy?

And you actually expect anyone to believe you're some kind of economic expert?
Then tell me how much in taxes a bright fellow like you would be willing to pay to achieve the goals of the person you support?

Do you see the green new deal in the democratic party platform?  Y/N?
Do you see universal health care in the democratic party platform?  Y/N?
First, you lie, and then, when caught, you pull numbers out of your ***.  

run along now.

maineman » 12 Sep 2024, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 11:53 am

Do you see the green new deal in the democratic party platform?  Y/N?
Do you see universal health care in the democratic party platform?  Y/N?
First, you lie, and then, when caught, you pull numbers out of your ***.  

run along now.

Of what value is a platform that she's copied directly from the Biden playbook that has put us in this lousy economy she's helped to create in the first place?
Why didn't she work to enact A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PLANS as VP?  She certainly wasn't too busy since she doesn't have a single other program she had to do, other than her job as "Border Czar", which she failed to improve in the slightest!

OF COURSE she couldn't put a $93 TRILLION waste of taxpayer money into her platform, despite the fact that she co-sponsored it with the dumbest Congresswoman in history, AOC?  If she did, even the dumbest liberals would be scared away from voting for her!  Does that mean you think she no longer supports it and would not try to pass all of it if elected?  Hasn't she already been in the administration AND EVEN CAST THE TIE BREAKING VOTE for the phony Inflation Reduction bill, which the administration now admits would do virtually NOTHING to reduce inflation, but instead was just a funding plan for the hoax of climate change:

Polifact By Louis Jacobson July 10, 2024It’s True: Kamala Harris was an original backer of the Green New DealPresident Joe Biden acknowledged that the $700 billion Inflation Reduction Act was misnamed during an event in Wisconsin. While the bill allocated $369 billion for green energy initiatives, it did little to reduce inflation, as Biden admitted. Financial experts, including BlackRock’s Larry Fink, highlighted that the act, part of Biden’s larger economic agenda, may not significantly lower inflation. Despite its title, the bill focuses on combating climate change and includes provisions for Medicare drug price negotiations and deficit reduction.

But now you believe she doesn't support it any more?
Instead, you believe she suddenly supports fracking, changed her mind about her plan for gun confiscation, no longer wants to make private insurance illegal, or no longer supports no-bail laws or an open border, huh?

Are we supposed to believe she no longer supports packing the Supreme Court with liberals and ending the Senate filibuster or no longer supports the universal healthcare plan she co-sponsored with socialist Bernie Sanders?

And I can support the numbers of EVERY PRICE TAG I PUT ON HER PLANS!
Go ahead and demand I submit the numbers I posted for any one of them, and I'll be delighted to shove any one of them up your gullible ***!
 

Zeets2 » 12 Sep 2024, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 12:18 pm

Of what value is a platform that she's copied directly from the Biden playbook that has put us in this lousy economy she's helped to create in the first place?
Why didn't she work to enact A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PLANS as VP?  She certainly wasn't too busy since she doesn't have a single other program she had to do, other than her job as "Border Czar", which she failed to improve in the slightest!

OF COURSE she couldn't put a $93 TRILLION waste of taxpayer money into her platform, despite the fact that she co-sponsored it with the dumbest Congresswoman in history, AOC?  If she did, even the dumbest liberals would be scared away from voting for her!  Does that mean you think she no longer supports it and would not try to pass all of it if elected?  Hasn't she already been in the administration AND EVEN CAST THE TIE BREAKING VOTE for the phony Inflation Reduction bill, which the administration now admits would do virtually NOTHING to reduce inflation, but instead was just a funding plan for the hoax of climate change:

But now you believe she doesn't support it any more?
Instead, you believe she suddenly supports fracking, changed her mind about her plan for gun confiscation, no longer wants to make private insurance illegal, or no longer supports no-bail laws or an open border, huh?

Are we supposed to believe she no longer supports packing the Supreme Court with liberals and ending the Senate filibuster or no longer supports the universal healthcare plan she co-sponsored with socialist Bernie Sanders?

And I can support the numbers of EVERY PRICE TAG I PUT ON HER PLANS!
Go ahead and demand I submit the numbers I posted for any one of them, and I'll be delighted to shove any one of them up your gullible ***!

The platform is what our party plans to accomplish if our candidate is elected.  
Universal Health Care is not in there.  The Green New Deal is not in there.
Harris was NEVER the"birder czar".

And if you ask why she didn't accomplish things as VP, I would ask you to google John Nance Garner and his assessment of the importance and power of that office.

She never supported an open border and she has never said she would confiscate guns.  She has never wanted to "make private insurance illegal," and she is entitled to change her mind about fracking.  Trump has changed his mind on abortion five times in the last week

And yes, please post all the numbers. I need to verify the validity of all your sources. You lied about free childcare for all.  You lied about new businesses getting $50K in cash when it is only an operating expense tax deduction.  I have no reason to trust ANYthing you claim.

 

maineman » 12 Sep 2024, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2024, 1:04 pm

The platform is what our party plans to accomplish if elected.  
Universal Health Care is not in there.  The Green New Deal is not in there.
Harris was NEVER the"birder czar".

She never supported an open border and she has never said she would confiscate guns.  She has never wanted to "make private insurance illegal," and she is entitled to change her mind about fracking.

Call it what you will, but Harris WAS put in charge of "stemming the migration" of illegals on the border.

Biden tasks Harris with 'stemming the migration' on southern border
The VP is expected to focus on both curbing the current flow of migrants and coordinating with countries in the region to address root causes of migration.
Biden said during an immigration meeting that he had asked Harris to lead the administration's efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle — El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, countries that will "need help stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border."

So do you deny she had that job?
Don't you agree that even worse than her failure at "stemming the flow", she also lied repeatedly to the country that, "THE BORDER IS SECURE"?
Do you need me to rub your nose in that quote as well?

Or would you rather I just shove your lies about her plan for gun confiscation up your ***?:

Harris lies about her prior support for gun confiscation
Washington Examiner By Tiana Lowe Doescher September 10, 2024
Harris may very well be a gun owner, but the VP was not telling the truth when she claimed “we’re not going to take anyone’s guns away.”

The Democratic presidential nominee has previously endorsed mandatory federal gun buybacks, and during her current campaign, Harris has touted an assault weapons ban that would outlaw roughly a quarter of the firearms sold in the U.S. each year.

 

Debate Sparks Questions About Harris' Stance on Gun Confiscation
VP has long history of supporting 'mandatory buyback programs'

Published: September 11, 2024 By Adrian Norman
 VP Harris and former President Trump reignited questions about Harris’ stance on gun control. Harris addressed the issue: “And then this business about taking everyone’s guns away, Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away, so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. ”Despite these reassurances, Harris has a record of supporting policies that go beyond gun safety regulations, including proposals for assault weapons bans and outright gun confiscation.

At a Las Vegas event, the “2020 Gun Safety Forum,” MSNBC Craig Melvin questioned Harris about removing “assault weapons” from American streets.

Harris responded: "We have to have a buyback program. I support a mandatory buyback program. It’s got to be smart, we got to do it the right way. But there are 5 million [assault weapons] at least, some estimate as many as 10 million, and we’re going to have to have smart public policy that’s about taking those off the streets but doing it the right way."

While voluntary gun buyback programs have been used, Harris’ endorsement of a mandatory program signals a shift toward government-enforced confiscation.

In November 2019, when NBC News’ Harry Smith posed a question about a mandatory buyback program, Harris said, "What we’ll do is have an incentive for people to turn them in and buy them back.