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*Vegas » 22 Sep 2024, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 10:00 am

Perhaps. However, the sightings of UFOs imply outside of Earth.

Why is that?

UFO simply means Unidentified Flying Object. 

What is it about a flying disk - other than conditioning from movies - that suggests interstellar travel?
 
 

murdock » 22 Sep 2024, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 11:09 am

In the oceans.

Yet another explanation that does not involve outer space.

It seems to me that the automatic assumption that these entities - if they exist, and I think there is very strong evidence that they do - are "from outer space" is predicated entirely on programming from Hollywood, and not on any actual evidence. 

Cannonpointer » 22 Sep 2024, 8:13 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 8:13 pm

Why is that?

UFO simply means Unidentified Flying Object. 

What is it about a flying disk - other than conditioning from movies - that suggests interstellar travel?

These things are reported to fly maneuvers that defy physics. We can't replicate that. Especially back in 2000 BC. 

*Vegas » 22 Sep 2024, 8:30 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 8:30 pm

These things are reported to fly maneuvers that defy physics. We can't replicate that. Especially back in 2000 BC.

Yes, they fly far better than we do. ON EARTH.

In what was does this suggest they are based lightyears from the Earth?

I mean, where have we seen them? To my knowledge, we have only ever seen them ON EARTH. There is no evidence they are on Pluto. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Ditto Neptune. 

How does their superior understanding of physics suggest they are from a world other than the only one on which we encounter them.?

I mean, do you understand everything about a porpoise? A spider? A manta ray? Can we replicate what they do with out technology? We cannot. But this doesn't mean they're from some other galaxy. They're from Earth. And how do we know this? We know this because we have only ever encountered them on Earth. 

Just like the "aliens."
 
 

Cannonpointer » 22 Sep 2024, 8:48 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 8:48 pm

Yes, they fly far better than we do. ON EARTH.

In what was does this suggest they are based lightyears from the Earth?

I mean, where have we seen them? To my knowledge, we have only ever seen them ON EARTH. There is no evidence they are on Pluto. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Ditto Neptune. 

How does their superior understanding of physics suggest they are from a world other than the only one on which we encounter them.?

I mean, do you understand everything about a porpoise? A spider? A manta ray? Can we replicate what they do with out technology? We cannot. But this doesn't mean they're from some other galaxy. They're from Earth. And how do we know this? We know this because we have only ever encountered them on Earth. 

Just like the "aliens."

This doesn't change my point any. Ok, so let's say they are from Earth. Fine. Either way, the fact remains that some species that appear more advanced than us (on Earth or elsewhere) is indicated to have appeared as some encounter, either directly or indirectly, when more advanced inventions have been created. This can be seen from 3000BC up to the present day. 

*Vegas » 22 Sep 2024, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 9:21 pm

This doesn't change my point any. Ok, so let's say they are from Earth. Fine. Either way, the fact remains that some species that appear more advanced than us (on Earth or elsewhere) is indicated to have appeared as some encounter, either directly or indirectly, when more advanced inventions have been created. This can be seen from 3000BC up to the present day.

I agree, the "debunking" of Erich von Däniken notwithstanding.

*Vegas » 21 Sep 2024, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2024, 10:58 am

I love learning about the possibilities of life outside of our planet. I enjoy reading about it. I read an interesting perspective. Maybe it means nothing, maybe it means everything. 

Every invention that mankind has ever made, from the beginning of our existence, to the present day was and is made from the natural 90 elements on that most spectacular periodic table. There are 118, but I am referring to the natural elements. These elements never changed throughout our history. The extra elements were created from the other natural elements. That being said, how come mankind couldn't make advanced technology at any time as soon as they figured out how to make fire?

• There was a steam engine built, from an Egyptian  mathematician in the 1st century AD. It worked. 
• The compass was invented in 200BC in China. This means they had to know about magnetism.
• The Antikythera Mechanism was an analog computer made in 3000BC. It used over 30 gear wheels to track astrological events. 
• A mechanical clock, not one where you depend on stargazing and seasons, an actual mechanical clock with gears and springs was invented in 2000 BC.

There are many other examples. 

Here is where it gets really interesting. Around the same time these major advancements were born there were hieroglyphics depicting alien crafts and beings.  This happens all through history up to the present. Notice that there have been more UFO sightings recently. And what life changing technology are we embarking on today? AI. 

The theory goes that we are being given technology , or help with it, by some intelligent life outside Earth. 

In other words, not only are we not alone, but we are also primitive and hopeless to some advanced race out there.

pre Francis bacon 'science' was the product of just doing random stuff and learning from trial and error. There was no real understanding involved, and no concept of natural law. A more mature understanding of causality and greater precision of mathematical language was necessary for the explosion in knowledge starting in the 18th century.

for me, it is not difficult to understand why this would be the case tracing how humans pursued knowledge and how it changed over time.

But I would agree it was the product of some 'alien' advanced intelligence. That was the european of the 18th century. Nobody alive today compares. Including europeans. 
 

Cannonpointer » 21 Sep 2024, 10:50 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2024, 10:50 pm

The assumption that the aliens are actually aliens merits consideration. Who says they are aliens? Who defines what is an alien? If they have lived here for thousands of years, and have played with our DNA, who is the alien?

No it doesn't merit consideration

Cannonpointer » 22 Sep 2024, 8:48 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 8:48 pm

Yes, they fly far better than we do. ON EARTH.

In what was does this suggest they are based lightyears from the Earth?

I mean, where have we seen them? To my knowledge, we have only ever seen them ON EARTH. There is no evidence they are on Pluto. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Ditto Neptune. 

How does their superior understanding of physics suggest they are from a world other than the only one on which we encounter them.?

I mean, do you understand everything about a porpoise? A spider? A manta ray? Can we replicate what they do with out technology? We cannot. But this doesn't mean they're from some other galaxy. They're from Earth. And how do we know this? We know this because we have only ever encountered them on Earth. 

Just like the "aliens."

Octopus DNA is off the track too. One odd little fellow.

btw
It is surmised that space itself is expanding so fast that lightspeed travel won't get us much farther than the nearest stars.
Lightspeed is the top limit. Imagine an ant running along a rubber band and you stretch the rubber band while he is moving.
From his prespective, he can still be traveling top speed but the goal is advancing away too.

The nearly incomprehensible concept is that from his origin point it would seem his velocity would have to be greater than lightspeed,
 but it is not. The space has expanded, not his speed.

So, to embrace this concept, one has to accept wormholes or something for interstellar or (even more so) intergalactic travel.
The observable universe is unfathomably huge much less the rest of it that we have no idea about.
And it is always expanding (adding conflicts to the theoretical mix about time and space).

So...
If there are aliens, maybe they are "accidental tourists".
Did a wormhole pop them into our neighborhood?
Is there any such thing as "control" over wormhole entry/exit points?
Are their species so fragile they cannot reveal themselves for fear of extinction?
  (maybe a generation to them is a thousand years...)
 
 

JohnEdgarSlowHorses » 21 Sep 2024, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2024, 12:58 pm

Pure bull ****
just like all of your threads

snick snick

so you are saying alien life is like your Russia Russia Russia hoax...pure ****?

The "snick snick" you placed at the end designates that Vegas must have burned your *** down in a major way and you're still suffering from the residual butthurt..............I'm sure Vegas appreciates you letting him know how bad he shot you down and that you're suffering from it continues to eat away at you in such a grand fashion

nefarious101 » 23 Sep 2024, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 6:57 am

so you are saying alien life is like your Russia Russia Russia hoax...pure ****?

The "snick snick" you placed at the end designates that Vegas must have burned your *** down in a major way and you're still suffering from the residual butthurt..............I'm sure Vegas appreciates you letting him know how bad he shot you down and that you're suffering from it continues to eat away at you in such a grand fashion

Snick snick inserted to denote laughter.
Vegas reminds me of you. Both legends in your own minds.

snick snick ha ha 
 

JohnEdgarSlowHorses » 23 Sep 2024, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 7:40 am

Snick snick inserted to denote laughter.
Vegas reminds me of you. Both legends in your own minds.

snick snick ha ha

so you come here to laugh at the thing you post....interesting...no not really interesting at all...just making fun of another run of the mill Leftist narcissist.

I see that even when it's bought to your attention you still can't help yourself and keep doing it...yep...that's narcissism alright

nefarious101 » 23 Sep 2024, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 7:51 am

so you come here to laugh at the thing you post....interesting...no not really interesting at all...just making fun of another run of the mill Leftist narcissist.

I see that even when it's bought to your attention you still can't help yourself and keep doing it...yep...that's narcissism alright

let me draw it out for ya

I laugh at your post
I respond
you respond
i laugh harder
i respond
you respond
I laugh harder

can ya feel me

Snick snick snick ha ha ha
 

31stArrival » 23 Sep 2024, 4:17 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 4:17 am

No it doesn't merit consideration

It might - hold on, let me check.




Okay, I looked into it. 

The judges say the idea merits consideration. This means you were incorrect. 

Not me saying it - the judges decided. 
 

DeezerShoove » 23 Sep 2024, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 6:20 am

Octopus DNA is off the track too. One odd little fellow.

btw
It is surmised that space itself is expanding so fast that lightspeed travel won't get us much farther than the nearest stars.
Lightspeed is the top limit. Imagine an ant running along a rubber band and you stretch the rubber band while he is moving.
From his prespective, he can still be traveling top speed but the goal is advancing away too.

The nearly incomprehensible concept is that from his origin point it would seem his velocity would have to be greater than lightspeed,
 but it is not. The space has expanded, not his speed.

So, to embrace this concept, one has to accept wormholes or something for interstellar or (even more so) intergalactic travel.
The observable universe is unfathomably huge much less the rest of it that we have no idea about.
And it is always expanding (adding conflicts to the theoretical mix about time and space).

So...
If there are aliens, maybe they are "accidental tourists".
Did a wormhole pop them into our neighborhood?
Is there any such thing as "control" over wormhole entry/exit points?
Are their species so fragile they cannot reveal themselves for fear of extinction?
  (maybe a generation to them is a thousand years...)

My own theory is that they arrived here when a belt of water circled the earth, filtering out much of the sun's harmful rays while letting the beneficial ones through. Everything lived longer - and many things got much. much bigger. Our human progenitors were small and big-eyed, and not at the top of the food chain. 

As lifespans were ten times longer, spiders got big enough to drag kids off. Tigers lived so long they got their saber teeth in. What we call "aliens" arrived and were stranded. They manipulated our DNA because they needed agile servants. We were their dogs.

This went of for a bit - maybe 3 million seconds or something, - abd then they got pissed at each other and went to war. The **** up the atmosphere, and the waters of the heavens burst forth and fell for 40 days and 40 nights. At the end, there were a new heavens and a new earth, new stars in the sky, rainbows - and the dim light of the was now bright and life-sapping, and everything began to wither and age much sooner. The DNA-borne revulsion against insects has never left us, even though they can no longer abscond with our young. 

The real estate was utterly **** up, and so the "gods" went underground, to live their years, leaving us on the crust of the world they had destroyed. And they still enslave us, using their mutants posing as human to rule over us and deliver resources. 
 

Cannonpointer » 23 Sep 2024, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 8:07 am

It might - hold on, let me check.




Okay, I looked into it. 

The judges say the idea merits consideration. This means you were incorrect. 

Not me saying it - the judges decided. 
 

Sure. Your mind belongs to he judges while your brain does what it was nurtured since birth to do, stay in character come Hell or high water.

JohnEdgarSlowHorses » 23 Sep 2024, 8:04 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 8:04 am

let me draw it out for ya

I laugh at your post
I respond
you respond
i laugh harder
i respond
you respond
I laugh harder

can ya feel me

Snick snick snick ha ha ha

I appreciate you proving my diagnosis of your narcissistic tendencies and characteristics spot on.....and an excellent display of another "eye roll" moment produced by deluded snowflake for the forum's readers...I couldn't have hoped for more...thank you!

nefarious101 » 23 Sep 2024, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 8:32 am

I appreciate you proving my diagnosis of your narcissistic tendencies and characteristics spot on.....and an excellent display of another "eye roll" moment produced by deluded snowflake for the forum's readers...I couldn't have hoped for more...thank you!

Sure

lolz 
snickz
 

*Vegas » 22 Sep 2024, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 9:21 pm

This doesn't change my point any. Ok, so let's say they are from Earth. Fine. Either way, the fact remains that some species that appear more advanced than us (on Earth or elsewhere) is indicated to have appeared as some encounter, either directly or indirectly, when more advanced inventions have been created. This can be seen from 3000BC up to the present day.

Correct, commonly referred to as white men.  
 

FOS » 22 Sep 2024, 10:58 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 10:58 pm

pre Francis bacon 'science' was the product of just doing random stuff and learning from trial and error. There was no real understanding involved, and no concept of natural law. A more mature understanding of causality and greater precision of mathematical language was necessary for the explosion in knowledge starting in the 18th century.

for me, it is not difficult to understand why this would be the case tracing how humans pursued knowledge and how it changed over time.

But I would agree it was the product of some 'alien' advanced intelligence. That was the european of the 18th century. Nobody alive today compares. Including europeans.

Even today, with all of the tech we have, our species is still primitive.