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Cannonpointer » 26 Sep 2024, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 2:37 pm

No.

It's the WEST'S bay of pigs.

You must be confused and believe that the bay of pigs was a successful operation. You need to google that - it failed. 

Like the west's proxy war against Russia.

Russia's economy has grown since the outbreak of hostilities, while most western economies have shrunk. And Russia has shown BOTH that it has formidable hardware that in some cases is superior to American hardware, AND that it has command over production that the west does not. That command over production gives Russia strategic flexibility - the west is constrained by incapacity to to produce what it needs. The west has the supply side dictating what will be produced. 

I know it failed, fruity...in my reference, I was implying Ukraine to Vlad is like Cuba to Kennedy...  

ROG62 » 26 Sep 2024, 9:08 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 9:08 pm

I know it failed, fruity...in my reference, I was implying Ukraine to Vlad is like Cuba to Kennedy...

Exactly what makes the comparison stupid. For one thing, Kennedy never approved Bay of Pigs - the intel agencies made an end run, and he was furious. 

For another thing, the Bay of Pigs was a failure. If you call seizing a rich and storied peninsula with a world-class deep water port complete with infrastructure, and then rescuing your fellow Russians from LITERAL NAZIS "failure," I would sure like to know your definition of success. 

Vlad's economy has grown in spite of the sanctions, the purchasing power of the average Russian has grown, the global prestige of the nation has grown, developing nations in Africa and South America are eager to do business with Russia - and while all of this is occurring, the globe is dropping the dollar and pretty much over the zionist powers in USA and Britain. 

No one but you and a few other reagantards respects a nation that castrates its own military. What the world respects is a nation that is deeply hesitant to go to war, eager to go to the peace table, and competent to meet what threats come its way. That's Russia. Russia piled up for MONTHS before giving up on peace talks when Zelenskyy walked away at the order of Boris Johnson. Russia DID NOT want to go to war. But now it's on, and Russia is winning BIGLY. 

Because westtards are socialized to measure wins by territory, most antique cold warriors view Russia's slow creep across Ukraine as a failure - or certainly other than a victory. But that is because they do not have any concept of Vlad's strategy. Vlad DOES intend to take territory - and plenty of it. You don't make his country go to war and not pay a premium in blood, treasure, and territory. But territory is secondary.

If Vlad were the same caliber as genocidal Netanyahu, he'd have destroyed Ukraine long before. Instead, he avoids civilian casualties while grinding the Ukrainian military down to a fine powder through a war of attrition. He chooses attrition because he has ten times Ukraine's population and better generals and better toys; It's a sure winner. And he chooses it because with no military left, Ukraine will be a failed state under Russia's shadow and dependent on Russian assistance to rebuild. Google "The Marshall Plan."

Whatever sewage pit is left of Ukraine at the end of this is not going to be in NATO's orbit. That ship sailed. 

Cannonpointer » 26 Sep 2024, 11:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 11:12 pm

Exactly what makes the comparison stupid. For one thing, Kennedy never approved Bay of Pigs - the intel agencies made an end run, and he was furious. 

For another thing, the Bay of Pigs was a failure. If you call seizing a rich and storied peninsula with a world-class deep water port complete with infrastructure, and then rescuing your fellow Russians from LITERAL NAZIS "failure," I would sure like to know your definition of success. 

Vlad's economy has grown in spite of the sanctions, the purchasing power of the average Russian has grown, the global prestige of the nation has grown, developing nations in Africa and South America are eager to do business with Russia - and while all of this is occurring, the globe is dropping the dollar and pretty much over the zionist powers in USA and Britain. 

No one but you and a few other reagantards respects a nation that castrates its own military. What the world respects is a nation that is deeply hesitant to go to war, eager to go to the peace table, and competent to meet what threats come its way. That's Russia. Russia piled up for MONTHS before giving up on peace talks when Zelenskyy walked away at the order of Boris Johnson. Russia DID NOT want to go to war. But now it's on, and Russia is winning BIGLY. 

Because westtards are socialized to measure wins by territory, most antique cold warriors view Russia's slow creep across Ukraine as a failure - or certainly other than a victory. But that is because they do not have any concept of Vlad's strategy. Vlad DOES intend to take territory - and plenty of it. You don't make his country go to war and not pay a premium in blood, treasure, and territory. But territory is secondary.

If Vlad were the same caliber as genocidal Netanyahu, he'd have destroyed Ukraine long before. Instead, he avoids civilian casualties while grinding the Ukrainian military down to a fine powder through a war of attrition. He chooses attrition because he has ten times Ukraine's population and better generals and better toys; It's a sure winner. And he chooses it because with no military left, Ukraine will be a failed state under Russia's shadow and dependent on Russian assistance to rebuild. Google "The Marshall Plan."

Whatever sewage pit is left of Ukraine at the end of this is not going to be in NATO's orbit. That ship sailed.

my reference, btw, only implies to the fact that Russia would have had nukes 90 miles from our border, and we stopped them like NATO "potentially" having Ukraine in their fold with weaponry next door...and Vlad stopping them...  
 

RebelGator » 25 Sep 2024, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 7:51 am

What kind of asshole explains away the murder of young children.....for any reason?

Lost in this battle for moral high ground is government-caused famines.

Nothing like starving to death . . . with family.

Cannonpointer » 26 Sep 2024, 11:12 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 11:12 pm

Exactly what makes the comparison stupid. For one thing, Kennedy never approved Bay of Pigs - the intel agencies made an end run, and he was furious. 

For another thing, the Bay of Pigs was a failure. If you call seizing a rich and storied peninsula with a world-class deep water port complete with infrastructure, and then rescuing your fellow Russians from LITERAL NAZIS "failure," I would sure like to know your definition of success. 

Vlad's economy has grown in spite of the sanctions, the purchasing power of the average Russian has grown, the global prestige of the nation has grown, developing nations in Africa and South America are eager to do business with Russia - and while all of this is occurring, the globe is dropping the dollar and pretty much over the zionist powers in USA and Britain. 

No one but you and a few other reagantards respects a nation that castrates its own military. What the world respects is a nation that is deeply hesitant to go to war, eager to go to the peace table, and competent to meet what threats come its way. That's Russia. Russia piled up for MONTHS before giving up on peace talks when Zelenskyy walked away at the order of Boris Johnson. Russia DID NOT want to go to war. But now it's on, and Russia is winning BIGLY. 

Because westtards are socialized to measure wins by territory, most antique cold warriors view Russia's slow creep across Ukraine as a failure - or certainly other than a victory. But that is because they do not have any concept of Vlad's strategy. Vlad DOES intend to take territory - and plenty of it. You don't make his country go to war and not pay a premium in blood, treasure, and territory. But territory is secondary.

If Vlad were the same caliber as genocidal Netanyahu, he'd have destroyed Ukraine long before. Instead, he avoids civilian casualties while grinding the Ukrainian military down to a fine powder through a war of attrition. He chooses attrition because he has ten times Ukraine's population and better generals and better toys; It's a sure winner. And he chooses it because with no military left, Ukraine will be a failed state under Russia's shadow and dependent on Russian assistance to rebuild. Google "The Marshall Plan."

Whatever sewage pit is left of Ukraine at the end of this is not going to be in NATO's orbit. That ship sailed.

Simply put, Russia has to live next to the Ukes at the end of this. War is already an ugly business and doing a scorched earth only adds to the ugly.
Letting them beat themselves against a slow moving wall lets the Ukes reflect on this with different eyes. It allows more dissension among the ranks to develop as opportunities to stop keep passing them by.
The "whys?" will grow in Russia's favor.

btw Putin's take on history (Tucker Carlson interview) wasn't accurate and was basically irrelevant, but that part doesn't matter. The current situation taken at face value is what's important.

ROG62 » 27 Sep 2024, 5:28 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2024, 5:28 am

my reference, btw, only implies to the fact that Russia would have had nukes 90 miles from our border, and we stopped them like NATO "potentially" having Ukraine in their fold with weaponry next door...and Vlad stopping them...

Bay of Pigs had zero to do with the Cuban missile crisis. Google it. 

DeezerShoove » 27 Sep 2024, 6:53 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2024, 6:53 am

Simply put, Russia has to live next to the Ukes at the end of this. War is already an ugly business and doing a scorched earth only adds to the ugly.
Letting them beat themselves against a slow moving wall lets the Ukes reflect on this with different eyes. It allows more dissension among the ranks to develop as opportunities to stop keep passing them by.
The "whys?" will grow in Russia's favor.

btw Putin's take on history (Tucker Carlson interview) wasn't accurate and was basically irrelevant, but that part doesn't matter. The current situation taken at face value is what's important.

Contrary to what you and others would probably assume, I am not an expert on Russian history. HOWEVER, I have read a few Michener novels, so I'm probably the rough equivalent of a Masters Degree holder.

Anyway, I'd like to know what particulars you believe Putin the Great got wrong.
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Sep 2024, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2024, 9:11 am

Bay of Pigs had zero to do with the Cuban missile crisis. Google it.

My bad...

I was just a wee lad...
 

ROG62 » 27 Sep 2024, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2024, 9:22 am

My bad...

I was just a wee lad...

That's okay - I suddenly understand why your posts made sense to you (and now to me). If the bay of pigs WERE the cuban missile crisis, as the shorthand in your mind had it, then what you were saying was spot on - perfect. Restated, your thesis is that Ukraine is Putin's Cuban Missile Crisis moment - and that commentary is spot on.
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Sep 2024, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2024, 10:11 am

That's okay - I suddenly understand why your posts made sense to you (and now to me). If the bay of pigs WERE the cuban missile crisis, as the shorthand in your mind had it, then what you were saying was spot on - perfect. Restated, your thesis is that Ukraine is Putin's Cuban Missile Crisis moment - and that commentary is spot on.

Whew...thanks for straightening that **** out...tired of the wife having to do it...