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Dont ya people even understand The Government Doesnt make the numbers..

Their Donors and Corporate Lobbyists and Attorneys on K-Street publish a report and leak it out to Congress

RebelGator » 30 Sep 2024, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2024, 1:58 pm

The government should just buy all of them a house......it's cheaper than what's spent on counting the addicts, alcoholics, and slugs.

A home IS a surefire cure to homelessness. 

It's what Utah does. The program was more cost effective and cut chronic homelessness by 74%,

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/ ... _homeless/

 

*Vegas » 01 Oct 2024, 10:05 am » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 10:05 am

It's impossible to trust government stats anymore. Though I don't know if we ever could. These days nothing can be trusted across the board.

When Jimmy Carter was president, the US reported HONEST unemployment and inflation numbers. (We know for a fact because those numbers were bad)

For that, he was lambasted (even though he was not responsible for the high inflation and unemployment). 

Reagan’s admin began the trend to massage those numbers (for example, he included military service members as among the “employed” when previously they had been excluded from the count). Clinton’s admin fudged the CPI numbers, but only slightly, and nobody noticed anyway because the 1990s economy was strong.

It wasn’t until 2008+ that people began to notice a huge discrepancy between what they experienced and what the official numbers reported. It’s only gotten worse since then. 

Retarded liberals will reply that “anecdotal experience” is invalid, except when anecdotal experience consistently contradicts official #s then you should assume the burden of proof lies with the GOVERNMENT to prove its data is accurate, NOT the people questioning the data integrity. 

This is why FOS laughs at libTURDZ and say they are MIDWITS. They can only regurgitate what they learned in college / university and never THINK CRITICALLY when the situation demands it.
 

LowIQTrash » 01 Oct 2024, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:19 pm

When Jimmy Carter was president, the US reported HONEST unemployment and inflation numbers. For that, he was lambasted (even though he was not responsible for the high inflation and unemployment). 

Reagan’s admin began the trend to massage those numbers (for example, he included military service members as among the “employed” when previously they had been excluded from the count).

Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks. 

*Vegas » 01 Oct 2024, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:20 pm

Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks.

I edited my previous comment and added more info.

There is a lot of historical context to how the calculations have changed, and admittedly I am not an expert on all the details.

All I know is that if the US govt “honestly” reported the data, the actual numbers would be significantly worse. Just like how we should assume homelessness is at least 3x (likely 4-5x) more than what is reported by Dept of HUD as PROVEN by my OP.

LowIQTrash » 01 Oct 2024, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:28 pm

I edited my previous comment and added more info.

There is a lot of historical context to how the calculations have changed, and admittedly I am not an expert on all the details.

All I know is that if the US govt “honestly” reported the data, the actual numbers would be significantly worse. Just like how we should assume homelessness is at least 3x (likely 4-5x) more than what is reported by Dept of HUD as PROVEN by my OP.

What about other data such as GDP , job creation numbers, etc...

Cannonpointer » 01 Oct 2024, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:11 pm

A home IS a surefire cure to homelessness. 

It's what Utah does. The program was more cost effective and cut chronic homelessness by 74%,

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/ ... _homeless/

Today in most places Monthly "Rent" way surpasseses the Mortgage Payment, Property Taxes & Insurance cover the Lenders...so even a Good Paying Job aint never gonna $ave enough 'Down Payment" get outta the Apartment Complex 

Also ad to that those who are my Age in the 1980s/1990s ya could still buy a "Base Model" thats a Stick-Shift with Crank Windows..

The "Base Model" a new Car today it like a Mortgage Payment back in the 1970s/1980s

Also these days people dont even know how to pop a clutch smooth, nor roll down windows by hand..nor Engine Braking

Nowadays the want a Computer Screen in Dasch Board , put their feet on the dash, and play video games or text messaging Down The Dan Ryan Expressway too..

If thats what ya want Take the Bus or Ride The Train ya got No Buisness bying a car beiing on the 90/94 neither

*Vegas » 01 Oct 2024, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:34 pm

What about other data such as GDP , job creation numbers, etc...

I don’t believe they are faking GDP numbers…despite what everyone thinks, it’s one of the least impactful and is only useful for policy wonks and economics obsessed types.

The peripheral numbers seem more likely to be targets since everyone cares about them (inflation, unemployment, jobs created using the highly and deliberately flawed birth/death model)

LowIQTrash » 01 Oct 2024, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:47 pm

I don’t believe they are faking GDP numbers…despite what everyone thinks, it’s one of the least impactful and is only useful for policy wonks and economics obsessed types.

The peripheral numbers seem more likely to be targets since everyone cares about them (inflation, unemployment, jobs created using the highly and deliberately flawed birth/death model)

Ya dont get out much neither do ya..

Its "Out There" the Frustration & Despair...

Actually always been there these "Young People" are Drones on Iphones and Ear-Buds..

At work IM "trying" explain something when I got their attention finally Im working again too

TwoIfByTea » 01 Oct 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 12:37 pm

Today in most places Monthly "Rent" way surpasseses the Mortgage Payment, Property Taxes & Insurance cover the Lenders...so even a Good Paying Job aint never gonna $ave enough 'Down Payment" get outta the Apartment Complex 

Also ad to that those who are my Age in the 1980s/1990s ya could still buy a "Base Model" thats a Stick-Shift with Crank Windows..

The "Base Model" a new Car today it like a Mortgage Payment back in the 1970s/1980s

Also these days people dont even know how to pop a clutch smooth, nor roll down windows by hand..nor Engine Braking

Nowadays the want a Computer Screen in Dasch Board , put their feet on the dash, and play video games or text messaging Down The Dan Ryan Expressway too..

If thats what ya want Take the Bus or Ride The Train ya got No Buisness bying a car beiing on the 90/94 neither

Consumer expectations have certainly risen, that's for sure. But autos have also gotten better. They go 300-plus thousand miles instead of being junk at 100k. They are safer, smoother, altogether better - and they still cost the same amount in 2024 as they did in 1960s: about one year's pay. If you make 18k, there's a car for you. If you make 24k, there is a car for you. If you make 30k, there is a car for you. If you make 70k, there is a car for you. If you make a hundred k, you get two cars. Good on ya, mate!
 
 

Cannonpointer » 01 Oct 2024, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 3:23 pm

Consumer expectations have certainly risen, that's for sure. But autos have also gotten better. They go 300-plus thousand miles instead of being junk at 100k. They are safer, smoother, altogether better - and they still cost the same amount in 2024 as they did in 1960s: about one year's pay. If you make 18k, there's a car for you. If you make 24k, there is a car for you. If you make 30k, there is a car for you. If you make 70k, there is a car for you. If you make a hundred k, you get two cars. Good on ya, mate!

Sorry I don’t speak redneck…that’s more of your specialty so I’ll let you handle his ruminations

 
 

Cannonpointer » 01 Oct 2024, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2024, 3:23 pm

Consumer expectations have certainly risen, that's for sure. But autos have also gotten better. They go 300-plus thousand miles instead of being junk at 100k. They are safer, smoother, altogether better - and they still cost the same amount in 2024 as they did in 1960s: about one year's pay. If you make 18k, there's a car for you. If you make 24k, there is a car for you. If you make 30k, there is a car for you. If you make 70k, there is a car for you. If you make a hundred k, you get two cars. Good on ya, mate!

Bull crap..

SililyCon Valley "Teched" it all out..

Back in "The Day " a Chiltons Manual and Junkyards in the Yellow Pages..

Call afrew friends over buy a case of beer ordeer pizza. .

Today ya need "Credit Line" just fix your car..