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Tuesday, October 08, 2024
 Rasmussen Reports asked voters and found, “Most American voters want more domestic oil and gas production even though about half believe climate change has reached dangerous levels.”
 This means half of likely U.S. voters don’t believe it to be an existential threat, a split verdict reflective of the current electorate.What about the causes? “Among voters who believe the earth is experiencing climate change, 49% think humans are the primary driver of climate change, while 10% say climate change is mainly from natural causes, and 41% believe both humans and natural causes are involved.”

 No one will argue that the climate is changing. We have had ice ages burying the upper Midwest under a mile-thick sheet of ice, the planet cooling enough to create these massive glaciers, with subsequent warming and melting.
 Palm trees and camels, now dotting the hot equatorial regions of the planet, once grew and lived in the ice-free arctic. This was millions of years before humans walked the Earth, a time when there was no “man” to create man-made global warming. The modern form of humans only appeared 200,000 years ago. Yet the climate changed long before humans existed or had any influence on the climate.Perhaps the Earth’s climate is a bit more complicated than the climate models used today suggest.Today we are treated to “hottest day” stories during our Indian summer.
 The Denver Post exclaims, “Mile High City ties 132-year-old high-temperature record.” Does the Denver Post know if there was a warmer late September Denver day in the 1700s? Or the 700s? Or 2700 BC? Or 27 million BC?When describing planetary phenomena, a much longer time frame measurement is needed. One hundred years is a blink of an eye in the Earth’s history.What if we looked at a longer time frame  say 485 million years?The Washington Post surprisingly did that. Here’s their headline from a few weeks ago, “Scientists have captured Earth’s climate over the last 485 million years. Here’s the surprising place we stand now.”Researchers reconstructed global mean surface temperature using data assimilation, integrating geological data with climate model simulations. They discovered that the Earth’s temperature has varied more dynamically than previously thought.”

 This was based on a peer-reviewed paper published in the prestigious journal Science.In the graph above, we are now in a small warming blip from the coldest planetary temperature in half a billion years. Today’s global temperature is low, last seen 300 million years ago.A close-up of this blip shows the planet heating up over the past 20,000 years, almost all of that time devoid of human-induced warming activity. Remember that automobiles and commercial air travel are barely 100 years old. And even with the tiny rise, temperatures are still well below those of the past half-billion years.It is the blip that climate warriors focus on – 20,000 years – ignoring the preceding 485 million years.

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Majik » 09 Oct 2024, 7:11 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 7:11 am

Tuesday, October 08, 2024.

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I liken it to filling up your tank, driving it around the block, filling it up again and checking the mileage...that's their window...150 yrs of records...

My take is...


 

Every hurricane season we get scary news about weather.

It's cyclical... the weather and the news.

Here's a hint:
Don't live in **** "zones". Don't raise a family.
There. 98% of the problem solved.

The earth has made it through

FIVE ICE AGES. Extreme warming and cooling.

And its just fine.

Some say tits are bigger now more than ever!  
 

Global Warming is a Progressive "Air Tax" scheme.....a long lasting Russia Russia Russia type hoax and is beloved by morons, idiots and dickheads

I researched this in-depth three years ago.  It's because I was on Yahoo Answers "climate change" sub-forum.  There were three paid trolls who bombarded that place.

I found in my research that there are no ill effects from gloobal warming.  I found these five general positives:

• Increase in polar bears
• Increase in world food production
• Increase in worldwide trees since 1985
• Decrease or stability in extreme weather (floods, tornadoes, fires, hurricanes, etc.)
• Significant decrease in climate deaths since 1930

 

Independence » 09 Oct 2024, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 1:04 pm

I researched this in-depth three years ago.  It's because I was on Yahoo Answers "climate change" sub-forum.  There were three paid trolls who bombarded that place.

I found in my research that there are no ill effects from gloobal warming.  I found find general positives:

• Increase in polar bears
• Increase in world food production
• Increase in worldwide trees since 1985
• Decrease or stability in extreme weather (floods, tornadoes, fires, hurricanes, etc.)
• Significant decrease in climate deaths since 1930

My sources were NOAA, NASA, peer reviewed research, etc.  I would post charts and research that drove the shills nuts.    

Sumela » 09 Oct 2024, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 8:01 am

The earth has made it through

FIVE ICE AGES. Extreme warming and cooling.

And its just fine.

Some say tits are bigger now more than ever!

We have been through a lot of climate changes

for millions of years

and things look to get worse in the near future 

it’s our turn 

just look at a map of America and see just how long these hurricanes have been chewing up the US

they have created the gulf

thats a lot of **** hurricanes 

[img]blob:f3259731-e83a-47b5-8a8e-60d57158eae8[/img]
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w768/uploa ... co-map.png

 
 

Majik » 09 Oct 2024, 7:11 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 7:11 am

 No one will argue that the climate is changing. We have had ice ages burying the upper Midwest under a mile-thick sheet of ice, the planet cooling enough to create these massive glaciers, with subsequent warming and melting.
 Palm trees and camels, now dotting the hot equatorial regions of the planet, once grew and lived in the ice-free arctic. This was millions of years before humans walked the Earth, a time when there was no “man” to create man-made global warming. The modern form of humans only appeared 200,000 years ago. Yet the climate changed long before humans existed or had any influence on the climate.Perhaps the Earth’s climate is a bit more complicated than the climate models used today suggest.Today we are treated to “hottest day” stories during our Indian summer.
 The Denver Post exclaims, “Mile High City ties 132-year-old high-temperature record.” Does the Denver Post know if there was a warmer late September Denver day in the 1700s? Or the 700s? Or 2700 BC? Or 27 million BC?When describing planetary phenomena, a much longer time frame measurement is needed. One hundred years is a blink of an eye in the Earth’s history.What if we looked at a longer time frame  say 485 million years?The Washington Post surprisingly did that. Here’s their headline from a few weeks ago, “Scientists have captured Earth’s climate over the last 485 million years. Here’s the surprising place we stand now.”Researchers reconstructed global mean surface temperature using data assimilation, integrating geological data with climate model simulations. They discovered that the Earth’s temperature has varied more dynamically than previously thought.”

 This was based on a peer-reviewed paper published in the prestigious journal Science.In the graph above, we are now in a small warming blip from the coldest planetary temperature in half a billion years. Today’s global temperature is low, last seen 300 million years ago.A close-up of this blip shows the planet heating up over the past 20,000 years, almost all of that time devoid of human-induced warming activity. Remember that automobiles and commercial air travel are barely 100 years old. And even with the tiny rise, temperatures are still well below those of the past half-billion years.It is the blip that climate warriors focus on – 20,000 years – ignoring the preceding 485 million years.

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https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... nformation

The amount of fraud, pseudo-science, bullying, fun-with-numbers, extortion, and censorship employed by those pushing the global warming conspiracy theory is sufficient to cause any reasonable person to pay the criminals and pseudo-scientists no mind. 

 
 

Mrkelly » 09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm

We have been through a lot of climate changes

for millions of years

and things look to get worse in the near future 

it’s our turn 

just look at a map of America and see just how long these hurricanes have been chewing up the US

they have created the gulf

thats a lot of **** hurricanes 

[img]blob:f3259731-e83a-47b5-8a8e-60d57158eae8[/img]
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w768/uploa ... co-map.png

Well, that is about half true. Part of the gulf is continental shelf, to be sure - but a big part is also what's called abysmal depths. As to jurricanes sinking land, I am unaware of any mechanism for that. I'm pretty sure the prevailing theory credits plate tectonics with the appearance of the gulf. 

https://cdn.britannica.com/11/6011-050- ... Mexico.jpg?

Mrkelly » 09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm

We have been through a lot of climate changes

for millions of years

and things look to get worse in the near future 

it’s our turn 

just look at a map of America and see just how long these hurricanes have been chewing up the US

they have created the gulf

thats a lot of **** hurricanes 

[img]blob:f3259731-e83a-47b5-8a8e-60d57158eae8[/img]
https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w768/uploa ... co-map.png

My point was that the climate is CONSTANTLY changing.  It has never stopped changing.
Billions of years of constant warming and cooling.  So extreme at times that there have been
FIVE ice ages.  None of that was caused by man.

I am simply not convinced that man's actions play much of a role.
Unless we nuke each other.
 

Sumela » 09 Oct 2024, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 4:59 pm

My point was that the climate is CONSTANTLY changing.  It has never stopped changing.
Billions of years of constant warming and cooling.  So extreme at times that there have been
FIVE ice ages.  None of that was caused by man.

I am simply not convinced that man's actions play much of a role.
Unless we nuke each other.

My point too

And I used the carving of the gulf as evidence 
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Oct 2024, 4:51 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 4:51 pm

Well, that is about half true. Part of the gulf is continental shelf, to be sure - but a big part is also what's called abysmal depths. As to jurricanes sinking land, I am unaware of any mechanism for that. I'm pretty sure the prevailing theory credits plate tectonics with the appearance of the gulf. 

https://cdn.britannica.com/11/6011-050- ... Mexico.jpg?

I don’t think that they sank land

I think that they carved the gulf out over millions of years

but what do I know 

Mrkelly » 09 Oct 2024, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 5:20 pm

My point too

And I used the carving of the gulf as evidence

Awww, ok.  I gotcha.
 

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Mrkelly » 09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 3:43 pm

just look at a map of America and see just how long these hurricanes have been chewing up the US

Incorrect.  Hurricanes, hurricane landfalls, and hurricane damage have been declining for decades.


 
 

Mrkelly » 09 Oct 2024, 5:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2024, 5:24 pm

I don’t think that they sank land

I think that they carved the gulf out over millions of years

but what do I know

I'm not at all of that mind. The abysmal depths are a product of tectonics, not weather. 

But then, I am not even convinced that the snake river or the colorado carved their canyons. Water follows the low ground, and those river canyons are the natural route of any water. That the waters carved those canyons is a claim - that the water would have followed those canyons whether it carved them or not is a fact.

Why hasn't the missouri carved a canyon? The mississippi? The amazon? The nile?