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Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

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Israel's actions in Gaza and the Occupied Palestinian Territory violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and international human rights law in multiple ways, including: 

• Evictions
  Israel's demolitions of Palestinian property and homes, and the use of discriminatory laws to evict Palestinians, violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and international human rights law. The UN Human Rights Office has called on Israel to stop these actions. 
• Forcible transfer
  Israel's policies and practices violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the forced transfer of civilians into occupied territory. 
• Collective punishment
  Demolishing the homes of suspected offenders and sealing them off is considered collective punishment, which is prohibited by international law. 
• Israeli settlements
  Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are illegal under international law and violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. 

-----------------------------------------------israel was evicting thousands before 10/7 and having to leave with only clothes on their backs and the US did  NOTHING.
 

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

Israel demolished homes with bulldozers
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Demolishing the homes of suspected offenders and sealing them off is considered collective punishment, which is prohibited by international law

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

and they were not even suspected offenders. israel just kicked them off their land.

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

https://youtu.be/5Hf4sfFhixM?si=x5S22RG14GYnj1_1

Mrkelly » 14 Oct 2024, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 9:58 am

we are sending new drones 

and 100 troops to man them

looks like the October surprise will be dead US troops

Oh … and WWIII

LOL.  So very predictable.  Psychopaths.

And all these sad cucks are cucking to the fake news
that Iran & China are trying to assassinate Trump.



 

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

america is a big part of the problem

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https://theintercept.com/2021/05/14/isr ... onprofits/

5-14 2023------before 10-7

On May 6, right-wing Israeli officials descended on Sheikh Jarrah, a neighborhood in occupied East Jerusalem, to show their support for the settler movement’s push to displace Palestinian residents and take their homes.One of the officials was Aryeh King, a deputy mayor of Jerusalem and settler who lives in the Palestinian neighborhood of Ras al-Amud. In an exchange caught on camera, King mocked Palestinian activist Mohammed Abu Hummus for being shot by Israeli forces in his backside, and then, pointing at his head, said, “It’s a pity it didn’t go in here.” It was a wish for the death of a Palestinian.The remarks turned a spotlight on King’s involvement in the saga of Sheikh Jarrah, the Palestinian neighborhood targeted by Israeli settlers that is at the heart of the current crisis in Israel-Palestine. The impending removal of Palestinian families from Sheikh Jarrah fueled tensions in Jerusalem, which spiraled out of the holy city into Gaza and the rest of Israel-Palestine. Israeli airstrikes are now blanketing Gaza, with Palestinian groups firing rockets back; both Jewish and Palestinian mobs are roaming cities in Israel, beating up whoever they can find.King is one of the players, among others, who has stoked tensions in Sheikh Jarrah, the site of a long-simmering crisis. In 2007, King started the Israel Land Fund, and since then, the group has worked to buy land in Palestinian neighborhoods throughout occupied East Jerusalem to sell to Jewish settlers.The Israel Land Fund isn’t trying to dominate East Jerusalem by itself. It’s doing it with the help of private American donors, who get tax deductions for the money they give to U.S.-based nonprofits who funnel the money to Israeli settlements. The overwhelming majority of the Israel Land Fund’s budget comes from the Central Fund of Israel, a U.S.-based nonprofit.

“That American organizations are taking advantage of so-called charitable designation to perpetrate violence on the ground and a situation of apartheid in the West Bank goes contrary to the basic principles laid out in the U.S. Tax Code.”

The Central Fund of Israel is
 
 

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!

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https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... 4d96b85cf8

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and dozens of other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. Supporters called it a terrible day and warned of more civilian deaths and destruction as the war goes into its third month.The vote in the 15-member council was 13-1, with the United Kingdom abstaining. The United States’ isolated stand reflected a growing fracture between Washington and some of its closest allies over Israel’s monthslong bombardment of Gaza. France and Japan were among those supporting the call for a cease-fire.In a vain effort to press the Biden administration to drop its opposition to calling for a halt to the fighting, the foreign ministers of Egypt, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey were all in Washington on Friday. But their meeting with Secretary of State Antony Blinken took place only after the U.N. vote.Along with the vote, the Arab diplomats’ mission served to shift responsibility more squarely onto the United States for protecting Israel from growing demands to stop the airstrikes that are killing thousands of Palestinian civilians.
 

Zeets2 » 14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 12:52 pm

If Hamas wanted to safeguard their innocent men, women, and children, all they'd have to do is to stop storing their missile launchers, weapons, and ammunition in or underneath schools, hospitals, and mosques, as required by the Geneva Conventions?

Until they do, you're barking up the wrong tree!


 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/1 ... -palestine

17 May 2021A third United Nations Security Council emergency meeting in a week – amid the deadly Israeli offensive in Gaza – has again ended with no concrete outcome after the United States blocked a joint statement calling for an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.The meeting on Sunday came after the US reportedly twice blocked over the last week resolutions that would have condemned Israel’s military response and called for a ceasefire. Nearly 200 people, including 58 children, have been killed in the intense bombing of the besieged enclave of two million people.
 
 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-3rd-t ... ceasefire/

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 9:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 9:32 pm

america is a big part of the problem

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https://theintercept.com/2021/05/14/isr ... onprofits/

 

The US is a "problem" only in YOUR mind because you love terrorists and hate Jews.
Most of us in this country are happy to support Israel as they rid the world of terrorism and are happy to support them in their efforts.  It's always a shame when innocent men, women, and children are killed in any war, and Hamas and Hezbollah have the power to limit their deaths if they choose to, simply by not storing their weapons, ammo, and missile launchers in or around schools, hospitals, and mosques.

You only care about saving the lives of those who support the terrorism of Hamas and Hezbollah so they can continue murdering Jews unabated, and that makes you an anti-Semite, a sucker and a fool for feeding into their narrative.  The world will be a far safer and better place when both terrorist organizations are wiped out!

And I thank Israel for doing so, despite the fact that doing so ruffles your panties!
Deal with it!  
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:40 pm

and they were not even suspected offenders. israel just kicked them off their land.

That's fine with me!
I trust their judgement.
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:38 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:38 pm

Israel demolished homes with bulldozers
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Demolishing the homes of suspected offenders and sealing them off is considered collective punishment, which is prohibited by international law

Call it whatever you like!
If Israel says those homes were being used by terrorists, it's perfectly acceptable to take the action they did and destroy their homes.  That works as a deterrent exactly as it should!

And you can whine about it all you like, it's not about to change the way their war is prosecuted. 
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:36 pm

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Israel's actions in Gaza and the Occupied Palestinian Territory violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and international human rights law in multiple ways, including: 

• Evictions
  Israel's demolitions of Palestinian property and homes, and the use of discriminatory laws to evict Palestinians, violate the Fourth Geneva Convention and international human rights law. The UN Human Rights Office has called on Israel to stop these actions. 
• Forcible transfer
  Israel's policies and practices violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the forced transfer of civilians into occupied territory. 
• Collective punishment
  Demolishing the homes of suspected offenders and sealing them off is considered collective punishment, which is prohibited by international law. 
• Israeli settlements
  Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are illegal under international law and violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. 

-----------------------------------------------israel was evicting thousands before 10/7 and having to leave with only clothes on their backs and the US did  NOTHING.

That's fine with me, and it's exactly what I would want MY country to do if it faced repeated and unprovoked attacks by terrorist groups in this country like what Israel has been tolerating for decades!
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:32 pm

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https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases ... nians-gaza

Palestinians in Gaza into 'death trap' without food, water, shelter: OxfamPublished: 4th July 2024
Israel’s latest evacuation order, calling for a quarter of a million people to leave Eastern Khan Younis, violates the Geneva Convention and is in breach of multiple provisions of International Humanitarian Law, because it has failed to provide safe passage, or a safe final destination where basic humanitarian needs can be met, Oxfam said today. Oxfam says the so-called ‘humanitarian zone’, where people have been ordered to go, is one of the most densely populated displacement areas in the world, with a dire lack of sufficient food, water, medical services, or shelter. Ongoing military assaults have created an incredibly unsafe environment for aid organisations, meaning barely any assistance is reaching those in need. There have also been regular attacks resulting in civilian deaths despite the promise that the area was ‘safe’. Oxfam staff sheltering in the so-called ‘safe zone’ said there had been an increase in shelling in recent days and that people were living in medieval conditions, camping in the streets, with no hygiene products and rapidly-spreading disease. Sally Abi Khalil, Oxfam’s Middle East Director, said: “Pushing hundreds of thousands more people into what is essentially a death trap, devoid of any facilities, is barbaric and a breach of International Humanitarian Law.

Wah, wah, wah!
It's HAMAS that stops the people of Gaza from fleeing in a safe passage because they WANT to show innocent people that have been killed to affect soft-hearted suckers like you to support their terrorism.

You can post all the horrors of war that you want, and it's not going to affect me in the least.  Hamas and Hezbollah need to be wiped out, and weak sissies like you who can't bear to watch it need to grow some testicles and understand that this is what the people brought on themselves for their racist hatred of Jews.  When all Arabs decide it's better to live in peace with Israel as Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Morocco have all done, Israel will be happy to live in peace with all of them. 

Get that fact through your Jew-hating head!
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:30 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:30 pm

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-11-16/

Attacking hospitals and other medical units is prohibited under the first Geneva Convention, and that protection extends to the wounded and the sick, the staff of those establishments and ambulances. And that protection doesn't end unless those establishments are used by a party to the conflict to commit an act ... harmful to the enemy," she said.

And that's exactly what Hamas and Hezbollah have done by placing their weapons and missile launchers in those hospitals and schools.  That's what makes it perfectly acceptable and not prohibited to target those facilities.
 

jerrab » 14 Oct 2024, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Oct 2024, 5:20 pm

israel  does not go by the geneva convention............

 

They follow it far better than Hamas and Hezbollah do, and you can't stand that fact, can you?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Oct 2024, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024, 10:32 am

And that's exactly what Hamas and Hezbollah have done by placing their weapons and missile launchers in those hospitals and schools.  That's what makes it perfectly acceptable and not prohibited to target those facilities.

israel bombed the hospitals.
 

Zeets2 » 15 Oct 2024, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024, 10:19 am

That's fine with me, and it's exactly what I would want MY country to do if it faced repeated and unprovoked attacks by terrorist groups in this country like what Israel has been tolerating for decades!

the evictions have nothing to with terrorists. it is about greed  and more greed.

Sumela » 13 Oct 2024, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Oct 2024, 7:59 pm

Iran has tested and proved the IRON *** DOME

is damn near useless.

Its funny.

proof? ! You have none!  
@Sumela  
 

Zeets2 » 15 Oct 2024, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

15 Oct 2024, 10:33 am

They follow it far better than Hamas and Hezbollah do, and you can't stand that fact, can you?

no they don't and the US is complicit because america allows israel to do what ever it wants.

this stand by israel crap is for the birds.