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golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 8:29 pm

Oh, it sounds like...   

sure does. and what will happen if trump wins.

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 8:52 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 8:52 pm

Trump couldn't make Jerusalem the capitol of any country.  All he did was move our embassy there. 

Ever heard of the Abraham Accords?   You know, between Israel and Arabs?
That was years AFTER he moved our embassy to Jerusalem. 

Why is it that you are so uninformed?

/////////////But dealing with an Israeli government made up of Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and other far-right hardliners who came to power last year is tough for Abu Dhabi.“The coalition that the UAE signed the accords with are not the people or system the UAE is currently dealing with. This … disrupts any continuity and familiarity,” al-Hussein said.Against the backdrop of increased Israeli violence against Palestinians under this government, the UAE has condemned Israel’s violations of basic Palestinian rights.For example, in April 2022, the UAE’s minister of state for international cooperation, Reem bint Ibrahim al-Hashemy, summoned the Israeli ambassador to Abu Dhabi to protest against Israel’s violent incursions in Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque while emphasising “the need to foster an appropriate environment that would allow a return to serious negotiations aimed at achieving a just and comprehensive peace and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state … in accordance with legitimate international resolutions and the Arab Peace Initiative.”And then, at the start of this year, Abu Dhabi “called upon Israeli authorities to assume responsibility for reducing escalation and instability in the region” in the aftermath of Israel’s raid on the Jenin refugee camp./////////////////////////////////

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:12 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:12 pm

/////////////But dealing with an Israeli government made up of Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and other far-right hardliners who came to power last year is tough for Abu Dhabi.“The coalition that the UAE signed the accords with are not the people or system the UAE is currently dealing with. This … disrupts any continuity and familiarity,” al-Hussein said.Against the backdrop of increased Israeli violence against Palestinians under this government, the UAE has condemned Israel’s violations of basic Palestinian rights.For example, in April 2022, the UAE’s minister of state for international cooperation, Reem bint Ibrahim al-Hashemy, summoned the Israeli ambassador to Abu Dhabi to protest against Israel’s violent incursions in Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque while emphasising “the need to foster an appropriate environment that would allow a return to serious negotiations aimed at achieving a just and comprehensive peace and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state … in accordance with legitimate international resolutions and the Arab Peace Initiative.”And then, at the start of this year, Abu Dhabi “called upon Israeli authorities to assume responsibility for reducing escalation and instability in the region” in the aftermath of Israel’s raid on the Jenin refugee camp./////////////////////////////////

would not have happened if palestine had their own state.

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:12 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:12 pm

/////////////But dealing with an Israeli government made up of Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and other far-right hardliners who came to power last year is tough for Abu Dhabi.“The coalition that the UAE signed the accords with are not the people or system the UAE is currently dealing with. This … disrupts any continuity and familiarity,” al-Hussein said.Against the backdrop of increased Israeli violence against Palestinians under this government, the UAE has condemned Israel’s violations of basic Palestinian rights.For example, in April 2022, the UAE’s minister of state for international cooperation, Reem bint Ibrahim al-Hashemy, summoned the Israeli ambassador to Abu Dhabi to protest against Israel’s violent incursions in Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque while emphasising “the need to foster an appropriate environment that would allow a return to serious negotiations aimed at achieving a just and comprehensive peace and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state … in accordance with legitimate international resolutions and the Arab Peace Initiative.”And then, at the start of this year, Abu Dhabi “called upon Israeli authorities to assume responsibility for reducing escalation and instability in the region” in the aftermath of Israel’s raid on the Jenin refugee camp./////////////////////////////////

So you're blaming Trump for what Biden/Kamala **** up?
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:13 pm

would not have happened if palestine had their own state.

Of course it would have. 
They don't want their own state, they want Israels killed, and they want the land. 
Or do you not understand what "From the River to the Sea" means?
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:11 pm

sure does. and what will happen if trump wins.

OMG.  We could have peace again. 
The Horrah!
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 8:50 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 8:50 pm

He didn't tell Russia to bomb anyone.
He told Germany and other countries that if they didn't start paying their obligation, he wasn't going to protect them. 

You really need to educate about this subject before making such stupid claims.

you need to educate yourself. what would russia want to do to nato countries especially when the amrican president asks/ tells  them to do what ever they want? answer this question.

--------------////The former president also sparked bipartisan backlash in February with his remarks about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) during a campaign rally by saying he would "encourage" Russia to do "whatever the hell" they want to NATO members who insufficiently contribute financially to the military alliance------------
 
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:15 pm

Of course it would have. 
They don't want their own state, they want Israels killed, and they want the land. 
Or do you not understand what "From the River to the Sea" means?

from the river to the sea, palastine will be free.

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:18 pm

from the river to the sea, palastine will be free.

Yes, the question was:  do you understand the meaning?
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:14 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:14 pm

So you're blaming Trump for what Biden/Kamala **** up?

//////////////     https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/middleea ... index.html

JerusalemCNN — US President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital on Wednesday and announced plans to relocate the US embassy there, upending seven decades of US foreign policy in a move expected to inflame tensions in the region and unsettle the prospects for peace.Trump also signed a waiver officially delaying the move of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem for six months, a National Security Council official said. But the State Department’s security arm is planning for potentially violent protests at US embassies and consulates.CNN’s Oren Liebermann, who is based in Jerusalem, walks us through what’s at stake.Why is declaring Jerusalem the capital such a big deal?The final status of Jerusalem has always been one of the most difficult and sensitive questions in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For years, US policy has been to avoid declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel in the absence of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, as the Palestinians also claim Jerusalem as their capital. It was argued that a unilateral decision would break with international consensus and prejudge an issue that was supposed to be left to negotiations.Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital has also moved the United States a big step closer to relocating the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would be seen as cementing Israeli sovereignty over the city.///////////////////////////////////////////////
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm

you need to educate yourself. what would russia want to do to nato countries especially when the amrican president asks/ tells  them to do what ever they want? answer this question.

--------------////The former president also sparked bipartisan backlash in February with his remarks about the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) during a campaign rally by saying he would "encourage" Russia to do "whatever the hell" they want to NATO members who insufficiently contribute financially to the military alliance------------

So what?
Again, why should America protect countries that refuse to fulfill their treaty obligations to defend themselves?
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:14 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:14 pm

So you're blaming Trump for what Biden/Kamala **** up?

//////////////////////////////////////////   https://www.voanews.com/a/arabs-muslims ... 51753.html
JERUSALEM — The Middle East is on edge as President Donald Trump plans to make a controversial change in U.S. policy on Jerusalem.Palestinians are calling for three "Days of Rage" to protest Trump's plan to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Palestinian spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh warns that the decision would have dire consequences for American efforts to revive peace talks with Israel."It would complicate things," he said. "It would put an obstacle to the peace process. Maybe it will be the end of the peace process."Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital touches a raw nerve among Arabs and Muslims in general, and Palestinians in particular. The city is home to the Mosque of Al-Aqsa, the third holiest place in Islam, and Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state./////////////////////////
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 9:25 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:25 pm

//////////////     https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/middleea ... index.html

JerusalemCNN — US President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital on Wednesday and announced plans to relocate the US embassy there, upending seven decades of US foreign policy in a move expected to inflame tensions in the region and unsettle the prospects for peace.Trump also signed a waiver officially delaying the move of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem for six months, a National Security Council official said. But the State Department’s security arm is planning for potentially violent protests at US embassies and consulates.CNN’s Oren Liebermann, who is based in Jerusalem, walks us through what’s at stake.Why is declaring Jerusalem the capital such a big deal?The final status of Jerusalem has always been one of the most difficult and sensitive questions in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For years, US policy has been to avoid declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel in the absence of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, as the Palestinians also claim Jerusalem as their capital. It was argued that a unilateral decision would break with international consensus and prejudge an issue that was supposed to be left to negotiations.Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital has also moved the United States a big step closer to relocating the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would be seen as cementing Israeli sovereignty over the city.///////////////////////////////////////////////

Very good.  December 2017.  Now when were the Abraham Accords first signed?
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:24 pm

Yes, the question was:  do you understand the meaning?

//////////////////////////////////////////// https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -palestine  It was instead, he argued, merely a way to express a desire for a state in which “Palestinians can live in their homeland as free and equal citizens, neither dominated by others nor dominating them”.The context and the intent is key. The founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party trolls: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”/////////////////////////////
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:26 pm

So what?
Again, why should America protect countries that refuse to fulfill their treaty obligations to defend themselves?

why should trump tell russia to do what it wants to any country?

 
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:02 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:02 pm

why should trump tell russia to do what it wants to any country?

Because it has nothing to do with America. 
Why won't you answer my question?  Why should America protect countries that refuse to honor our treaty, and defend themselves?
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:00 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:00 pm

//////////////////////////////////////////// https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -palestine  It was instead, he argued, merely a way to express a desire for a state in which “Palestinians can live in their homeland as free and equal citizens, neither dominated by others nor dominating them”.The context and the intent is key. The founding charter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party trolls: “Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”/////////////////////////////

You've never looked at a map of Israel, have you?
You know the Palestinians have still not changed their stated ambition to eliminate the State of Israel, right?

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:28 pm

Very good.  December 2017.  Now when were the Abraham Accords first signed?

////////////////The normalization agreements were criticized by citizens of the four Arab states that signed the accords as well as many citizens of other Arab countries, especially because they failed to make progress resolving the Palestinian conflict./////////////////



the abraham accords did nothing to promote peace in palestine,

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:05 pm

You've never looked at a map of Israel, have you?
You know the Palestinians have still not changed their stated ambition to eliminate the State of Israel, right?

 

• /////////////  https://www.brookings.edu/articles/pres ... -conflict/   There are three ways President Trump, Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas could help pave the way for a negotiated agreement:
• Settlement activity would need to be constrained.////////////////////////

trump did not do s---- about that.

 
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:13 pm

////////////////The normalization agreements were criticized by citizens of the four Arab states that signed the accords as well as many citizens of other Arab countries, especially because they failed to make progress resolving the Palestinian conflict./////////////////

the abraham accords did nothing to promote peace in palestine,

You still didn't answer the question.  Your original assertion was that Trump moving our embassy to Jerusalem was cause of violence. 
The Abrham Accords were signed almost 3 years after that announcement was made. 
Proving your claim was wrong.

And the Abraham Accords were never designed to have anything to do with the Palestinians.