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jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:28 pm

• /////////////There are three ways President Trump, Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas could help pave the way for a negotiated agreement:
• Settlement activity would need to be constrained.////////////////////////

trump did not do s---- about that.

The Palestinians have been offered a 2 state solution at least 4 times that I remember. 
They walk away from the proposals EVERY TIME. 

They don't want peace.  They want Israel dead. 
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 8:43 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 8:43 pm

he made jeresulem the capitol of israel, that pissed off all the arabs not a way to peace and did not make a two state solutiom in israel which would have promoted peace.

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 9:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 9:28 pm

Very good.  December 2017.  Now when were the Abraham Accords first signed?

//////////////////////Three years after he said that peace in the Middle East was “not as difficult as people have thought,” President Donald Trump unveiled a lopsided plan that gives Israel much of what it has long sought and imposes daunting requirements that the Palestinians must meet before negotiations can even begin. The President described his plan, orchestrated by his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as “the last opportunity” for a Palestinian state. Yet it fails to address many of the problems that led to the collapse of earlier peace initiatives. The plan calls for a two-state solution, but largely in name only. It grants Israel’s long-standing demands on settlements and borders, security, Jerusalem, and refugees. Israel will have the right to annex parts of the West Bank that it now occupies, significantly reducing and further dividing Palestinian territory. It gets control of Jerusalem as its “undivided” capital. And it will assume security control over the entire West Bank, the Jordan River Valley, and--

Majik » 01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?

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https://time.com/5773261/middle-east-pe ... n-details/


It’s been three years in the making. But on Tuesday, the Trump Administration’s proposal to bring a solution to the decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict finally came to light.The White House’s 80-page plan calls for the creation of a Palestinian state with a capital in parts of East Jerusalem, ending speculation that the Trump Administration was preparing to depart from a “two state” resolution to the conflict that has long been the bedrock of U.S. policy.But the blueprint would also permit Israel to extend sovereignty over all major settlements blocs in the West Bank, uphold Jerusalem as “Israel’s undivided capital,” and require the Palestinians to concede far more land to Israel than in past proposals.Addressing reporters alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday, President Donald Trump said that while past U.S. presidents had failed to forge peace between Israelis and Palestinians, he had not been elected to “shy away from big problems.” Trump characterized his proposal as a “win-win” for both Israelis and Palestinians and a “bold step forward” for the region. But senior Democrats and Palestinians, who had rejected the plan before its publication, criticized the purported deal as one-sided.On Monday, Netanyahu and his centrist rival, Blue and White party leader Benny Gantz, met President Donald Trump separately to hear details of the so-called peace plan spearheaded by Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.“We have the support of the prime minister, we have the support of the other parties, and we think we will ultimately have the support of the Palestinians, but we’re going to see,” Trump told reporters that day.Support from the Palestinians appears a remote prospect. The West Bank’s Ramallah-based government, whose top diplomats have long described the Trump Administration’s plans as “dead on arrival,” had not been invited to the White House and insist the Trump Administration has forfeited America’s role as an honest broker in the region. The Trump plan “will not pass,” said Palestinian president Abbas, hours after its release.
 

golfboy » 01 Nov 2024, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:31 pm

The Palestinians have been offered a 2 state solution at least 4 times that I remember. 
They walk away from the proposals EVERY TIME. 

They don't want peace.  They want Israel dead.

https://time.com/5773261/middle-east-pe ... n-details/
But the blueprint would also permit Israel to extend sovereignty over all major settlements blocs in the West Bank, uphold Jerusalem as “Israel’s undivided capital,” and require the Palestinians to concede far more land to Israel than in past proposals.Addressing reporters alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday, President Donald Trump said that while past U.S. presidents had failed to forge peace between Israelis and Palestinians, he had not been elected to “shy away from big problems.” Trump characterized his proposal as a “win-win” for both Israelis and Palestinians and a “bold step forward” for the region. But senior Democrats and Palestinians, who had rejected the plan before its publication, criticized the purported deal as one-sided.On Monday, Netanyahu and his centrist rival, Blue and White party leader Benny Gantz, met President Donald Trump separately to hear details of the so-called peace plan spearheaded by Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.“We have the support of the prime minister, we have the support of the other parties, and we think we will ultimately have the support of the Palestinians, but we’re going to see,” Trump told reporters that day.Support from the Palestinians appears a remote prospect. The West Bank’s Ramallah-based government, whose top diplomats have long described the Trump Administration’s plans as “dead on arrival,” had not been invited to the White House and insist the Trump Administration has forfeited America’s role as an honest broker in the region. The Trump plan “will not pass,” said Palestinian president Abbas, hours after its release.
 

///Many of its components had been anticipated. Last week Israeli media reports characterized the White House plan as “the most generous proposal ever presented to Israel” and said it would pave the way for Israel to annex virtually all settlements in the West Bank, which Israel has controlled since the Six-Day War of 1967, give Israel full sovereignty over Jerusalem, and make no major provision for returning Palestinian refugees.

Although Trump had dismissed those reports as “speculation,” they proved mostly correct. The White House plan would rubber stamp Israel extending sovereignty over all major settlement blocs in the West Bank. “No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes,” Trump said Tuesday, in a firm indication the settlements would remain in place///////////////

Majik » 01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?

///////////////  https://jstreet.org/the-trump-peace-sham/   Many of its components had been anticipated. Last week Israeli media reports characterized the White House plan as “the most generous proposal ever presented to Israel” and said it would pave the way for Israel to annex virtually all settlements in the West Bank, which Israel has controlled since the Six-Day War of 1967, give Israel full sovereignty over Jerusalem, and make no major provision for returning Palestinian refugees.Although Trump had dismissed those reports as “speculation,” they proved mostly correct. The White House plan would rubber stamp Israel extending sovereignty over all major settlement blocs in the West Bank. “No Palestinians or Israelis will be uprooted from their homes,” Trump said Tuesday, in a firm indication the settlements would remain in place//////////////////
 

Majik » 01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?

trump lies when he says he brought peace to israel, he gave israel everything they want nothing to palestine and actually made it worse and then said palestine rejected his two state plan.

Majik » 01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?

https://jstreet.org/the-trump-peace-sham/
If there was ever any doubt that the Trump-Netanyahu “peace plan” was anything other than a smokescreen for annexation, it was disabused just moments after the plan’s glitzy White House announcement.Immediately following President Trump’s announcement of a plan he claimed would chart a course to a “two-state solution,” Prime Minister Netanyahu took to the very same podium to announce his government would immediately move to impose sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and all West Bank settlements — a flagrant violation of international law.US Ambassador David Friedman was quick to confirm that the administration had green lit annexation, telling reporters, “Israel does not have to wait at all” and “we will recognize it.”We need to be clear: This is a “two state solution” in name only, just as it is a “peace plan” in name only.https://youtu.be/HCM5tSw3lFI
 

Majik » 01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:34 pm

I'm surprised you are still talking......
Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem  and what he got in return was peace with the Saudi's...

What do you have against that........huh?

https://youtu.be/HCM5tSw3lFI?si=EBSVtyvEorWpz2uU

the lie trump told america-----------------------------------------

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/peacetoprosperity/

The White House is pleased to share President Trump’s Vision for a comprehensive peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.

This Vision is the most realistic solution to a problem that has plagued the region for far too long.

It creates a path to prosperity, security, and dignity for all involved. If the parties can agree on this framework as a basis for negotiations, the potential for both the Israelis and the Palestinians and the region is unlimited.
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:40 pm

https://time.com/5773261/middle-east-pe ... n-details/
But the blueprint would also permit Israel to extend sovereignty over all major settlements blocs in the West Bank, uphold Jerusalem as “Israel’s undivided capital,” and require the Palestinians to concede far more land to Israel than in past proposals.Addressing reporters alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday, President Donald Trump said that while past U.S. presidents had failed to forge peace between Israelis and Palestinians, he had not been elected to “shy away from big problems.” Trump characterized his proposal as a “win-win” for both Israelis and Palestinians and a “bold step forward” for the region. But senior Democrats and Palestinians, who had rejected the plan before its publication, criticized the purported deal as one-sided.On Monday, Netanyahu and his centrist rival, Blue and White party leader Benny Gantz, met President Donald Trump separately to hear details of the so-called peace plan spearheaded by Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.“We have the support of the prime minister, we have the support of the other parties, and we think we will ultimately have the support of the Palestinians, but we’re going to see,” Trump told reporters that day.Support from the Palestinians appears a remote prospect. The West Bank’s Ramallah-based government, whose top diplomats have long described the Trump Administration’s plans as “dead on arrival,” had not been invited to the White House and insist the Trump Administration has forfeited America’s role as an honest broker in the region. The Trump plan “will not pass,” said Palestinian president Abbas, hours after its release.

Bill Clinton On the Palestinians: “And the only time Yasser Arafat didn't tell me the truth was when he promised me he was gonna accept the peace deal that we had worked out, which would have given the Palestinians a state on 96% of the West Bank and 4% of Israel.  https://t.co/kQZrqdU3zW" / X
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 11:36 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 11:36 pm

trump lies when he says he brought peace to israel, he gave israel everything they want nothing to palestine and actually made it worse and then said palestine rejected his two state plan.

Palestine doesn't exist. 

 

ROG62 » 28 Oct 2024, 9:30 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Oct 2024, 9:30 pm

MSM deserves to burn to the ground...

33,000,000 views on Rogan? Impressive...

I didn't watch Rogan, and I have bigger balls than any of you pussies!      
 

jerrab » 01 Nov 2024, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2024, 10:28 pm

• /////////////  https://www.brookings.edu/articles/pres ... -conflict/   There are three ways President Trump, Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas could help pave the way for a negotiated agreement:
• Settlement activity would need to be constrained.////////////////////////

trump did not do s---- about that.

Like Joe and Kamala did, right?
Just a reminder:  Today is day 392 of the Kamala Hostage Crisis. 

Beakman » 02 Nov 2024, 7:10 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2024, 7:10 pm

I didn't watch Rogan, and I have bigger balls than any of you pussies!    

Neither do I...
 

golfboy » 02 Nov 2024, 7:00 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2024, 7:00 pm

Bill Clinton On the Palestinians: “And the only time Yasser Arafat didn't tell me the truth was when he promised me he was gonna accept the peace deal that we had worked out, which would have given the Palestinians a state on 96% of the West Bank and 4% of Israel.  https://t.co/kQZrqdU3zW" / X

nothing to do with trump



you are actually using something from over 30 years ago as a reason for trump's failures?

jerrab » 02 Nov 2024, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2024, 10:13 pm

nothing to do with trump

Proving the Palestinians don't want peace.  
Never have.  Never will. 

What'd Joe and Kamala ever do for the Palestinians?

golfboy » 02 Nov 2024, 7:11 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2024, 7:11 pm

Like Joe and Kamala did, right?
Just a reminder:  Today is day 392 of the Kamala Hostage Crisis.

arafat did not speak for all palestianians.

when did I say I support harris?

jerrab » 02 Nov 2024, 10:58 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2024, 10:58 pm

arafat did not speak for all palestianians.

when did I say I support harris?

Yea, actually he did. That's why he was negotiating with Clinton.
And of course you support Harris.