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Fuelman » 03 Nov 2024, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:29 am

  did the life insurance come before or after the horses?

That and definitely hospitalization...

ROG62 » 03 Nov 2024, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:48 am

That and definitely hospitalization...

Damn, sorry to hear that.
 

As for the spanking, it should only take one good beating (on the rear of course) if it's one of the smarter breeds.

Stupid people buy stupid dogs. Not necessarily the dogs fault.

I have a Golden Retriever. If I spray him with water he wants more, it's a game. Then he gets the bottle and chews the **** out of it.

I have a cat. He is the picture of not caring.

Blackvegetable » 03 Nov 2024, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:36 am

That's primitive...

Dogs feel shame....using your voice is a much more effective way to condition a dog.

It works like 60/40 for me...the spatula is for the 40 

ROG62 » 03 Nov 2024, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:45 am

We have an outside 10 yo shepherd male. The breed is known to attach themselves to one person (the wife)...

If I even thought of raising my voice, all gains were lost for for a week. She can yell at him, smack him if needed, best friends...   I've never laid a hand on him...wouldn't even be able to get near enough...  

Without her around, we're like ships in the night. If I go to the shed, he heads for the barn. If I go to the barn, he heads for the shed...if I'm coming up to the house, he'll get up, walk around the house, out to the woods and circle back once I'm in...

however, when we're outside on the deck having a beer? He's my best friend...let's me pet him, throw his stick, etc...a real fruitcake in my book...

They can really have distinctive personalities for sure.
One way to help alter response/reaction/basic behaviors is flooding.
That requires you to definitely live in the moment. Never be mad for more than about a minute. Dogs won't understand what the lesson is after too much time has passed anyway. Which is weird because they can hold onto a bad experience for a while (maybe a self-preservation thing).

I have a 1 1/2 year old that is/was scared of being held. Felt trapped or something. Grooming was a pain. Putting on a collar and simple stuff... I just kept at him and would hold him a little at random times and for no reason. Scratch under the collar without pulling him around. Just never forced him. Flooded him with bits of attention/touching/acknowledgements. He's way better and now I can call him, pick him up, which requires trust on his part. There is a familiarity built into repetition that dogs like.

You may be a "lost cause" because you did something he interpreted a certain way and he's all growed now. I know I did that too. Mine was very young and I pulled on his foot toward me. He had a real reaction and was not scared of me but didn't trust me for quite a while. So, I grab his foot once in a while but never hold on. He worked out that I'm actually on his side ... eventually. Friendship overcame his "fear" after a few months.

I love dogs.

RebelGator » 03 Nov 2024, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:17 am

I found a spray bottle of water effective when training a pup.

I have one of those too. Only use it if a fight breaks out. I have 3.
Sometimes they sound like they want to kill each other but they're just playing.
Once in a great while there's that squeal that means somebody's biting somebody else.

Hint: A tiny bit of vinegar in the water. Just enough for smell really.
In the last couple of years probably squirted it twice. Just picking it up is enough...  


For young pups, negative stuff ain't too good. I try to avoid it as much as possible.

PhiloBeddo » 03 Nov 2024, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 9:50 am

I have a Golden Retriever. If I spray him with water he wants more, it's a game. Then he gets the bottle and chews the **** out of it.

 

DeezerShoove » 03 Nov 2024, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 6:46 pm

They can really have distinctive personalities for sure.
One way to help alter response/reaction/basic behaviors is flooding.
That requires you to definitely live in the moment. Never be mad for more than about a minute. Dogs won't understand what the lesson is after too much time has passed anyway. Which is weird because they can hold onto a bad experience for a while (maybe a self-preservation thing).

I have a 1 1/2 year old that is/was scared of being held. Felt trapped or something. Grooming was a pain. Putting on a collar and simple stuff... I just kept at him and would hold him a little at random times and for no reason. Scratch under the collar without pulling him around. Just never forced him. Flooded him with bits of attention/touching/acknowledgements. He's way better and now I can call him, pick him up, which requires trust on his part. There is a familiarity built into repetition that dogs like.

You may be a "lost cause" because you did something he interpreted a certain way and he's all growed now. I know I did that too. Mine was very young and I pulled on his foot toward me. He had a real reaction and was not scared of me but didn't trust me for quite a while. So, I grab his foot once in a while but never hold on. He worked out that I'm actually on his side ... eventually. Friendship overcame his "fear" after a few months.

I love dogs.

I have to assume it's the voice thing...she has the higher, get them all excited type of voice...if I tried that, I'd pull a nut...

 it's also possible something happened where he was born prior to getting him...

 he's actually softened a lot...worked on the barn all summer with sometimes a dz trips up to the garage...I think he's just sick of getting up so damn many times at his age...lol..

we have a Saint Bernard as well who's really sensitive to my voice and complies when asked or told...but man, he doesn't care...his tail is always wagging ready for some attention...
 

ROG62 » 03 Nov 2024, 7:24 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 7:24 pm

I have to assume it's the voice thing...she has the higher, get them all excited type of voice...if I tried that, I'd pull a nut...

 it's also possible something happened where he was born prior to getting him...

 he's actually softened a lot...worked on the barn all summer with sometimes a dz trips up to the garage...I think he's just sick of getting up so damn many times at his age...lol..

we have a Saint Bernard as well who's really sensitive to my voice and complies when asked or told...but man, he doesn't care...his tail is always wagging ready for some attention...

As a kid all we ever had was dog pound mongrels.
Loyal **** once they realized you were not the enemy.

I hate the term "rescues" with a passion. Probably due to overuse.
Every **** thing is a goddamned rescue or support animal.
**** people . . .

DeezerShoove » 03 Nov 2024, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 6:46 pm

They can really have distinctive personalities for sure.
One way to help alter response/reaction/basic behaviors is flooding.
That requires you to definitely live in the moment. Never be mad for more than about a minute. Dogs won't understand what the lesson is after too much time has passed anyway. Which is weird because they can hold onto a bad experience for a while (maybe a self-preservation thing).

I have a 1 1/2 year old that is/was scared of being held. Felt trapped or something. Grooming was a pain. Putting on a collar and simple stuff... I just kept at him and would hold him a little at random times and for no reason. Scratch under the collar without pulling him around. Just never forced him. Flooded him with bits of attention/touching/acknowledgements. He's way better and now I can call him, pick him up, which requires trust on his part. There is a familiarity built into repetition that dogs like.

You may be a "lost cause" because you did something he interpreted a certain way and he's all growed now. I know I did that too. Mine was very young and I pulled on his foot toward me. He had a real reaction and was not scared of me but didn't trust me for quite a while. So, I grab his foot once in a while but never hold on. He worked out that I'm actually on his side ... eventually. Friendship overcame his "fear" after a few months.

I love dogs.

i can do a  lot of things to my  dog baths etc but clipping his nails, no way.
 

DeezerShoove » 03 Nov 2024, 8:27 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:27 pm

As a kid all we ever had was dog pound mongrels.
Loyal **** once they realized you were not the enemy.

I hate the term "rescues" with a passion. Probably due to overuse.
Every **** thing is a goddamned rescue or support animal.
**** people . . .

LOL...don't forget "comfort dogs"...

I want to spank Cyndi!

She misbehaves, and make her little fanny red!  
@sooted up Cyndi  
 

jerrab » 03 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm

i can do a  lot of things to my  dog baths etc but clipping his nails, no way.

A dog trainer told me they think of their feet as "escape boots". Again, back to an instinct of self-preservation.
So, some dogs get anxious if their feet become trapped somehow.
If you hold on and won't let go for something like that they have to trust that all is well.
Not easy for all dogs to get there.

Blackvegetable » 03 Nov 2024, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 8:36 am

That's primitive...

Dogs feel shame....using your voice is a much more effective way to condition a dog.

USING ONES VOICE CONDITIONED THIS PUP

   

 

Sumela » 03 Nov 2024, 9:25 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 9:25 pm

     

Sumela » 03 Nov 2024, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2024, 9:26 pm

MURDOCK AND VG?