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ConsRule » 10 Nov 2024, 7:38 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 7:38 pm

Then quote from the filing where Kaplan states the jury found Trump guilty of committing rape under the laws of the state of NY.  Remember, in court...any court...findings must be in accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction, not what a liberals thinks (wishes) it was.

E.g., 10 U.S.C. § 920(g)(1)(C) (Uniform Code of Military Justice) (defining “sexual act” for
purposes of rape and sexual assault as, inter alia, “the penetration, however slight, of the
vulva or penis or anus of another by any part of the body or any object, with an intent to
abuse, humiliate, harass, or degrade any person or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of
any person”) (emphasis added); WAYNE R. LAFAVE, SUBST. CRIM. L., § 17.2(a) & n. 43 (3d
ed.) (“In recent years, revision of rape laws have often brought about coverage of a broader
range of conduct than is encompassed within the common law term ‘carnal knowledge.’...
As for the acts covered, the new statutes ‘fall into three categories: those that continue the
narrow notion that rape should punish only genital copulation; those that agree with the
Model Code that rape laws should be expanded to include anal and oral copulation; and
those that go beyond the Model Code to include digital or mechanical penetration as well
as genital, anal, and oral sex.”) (emphasis added) (citing state statutes).



Ibid.
 

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2024, 8:59 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 8:59 pm

The Evidence at Trial

Ms. Carroll’s case in chief constituted all of the evidence at trial. Mr. Trump neither
testified nor called any witnesses. Apart from portions of his deposition that came in on Ms.
Carroll’s case, there was no defense evidence at all. The defense consisted entirely of (1) an attempt
to discredit Ms. Carroll’s proof on cross-examination, and (2) Mr. Trump’s testimony during his
deposition that Ms. Carroll’s account of the alleged events at the department store was a hoax.

Sexual Battery

Liability

The principal evidence as to Mr. Trump’s liability for the sexual assault was the
testimony of Ms. Carroll, of the two “outcry” witnesses and of two other women who claimed to
have been sexually assaulted by Mr. Trump, the so-called Access Hollywood video, and Mr.
Trump’s remarkable comments about that video during his deposition

ibid.

None of this is evidence pr proof of rape or sexual assault.
If this is all that was needed to convict people of rape then 1/2 the people in the USA would be in prison and the other half would be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 10 Nov 2024, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 9:24 pm

None of this is evidence pr proof of rape or sexual assault.
If this is all that was needed to convict people of rape then 1/2 the people in the USA would be in prison and the other half would be laughing all the way to the bank.

That presumes all respondents are as **** stupid as Grifty.....and their attorneys as incompetent as his.

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2024, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 9:33 pm

That presumes all respondents are as **** stupid as Grifty.....and their attorneys as incompetent as his.

GHETTOBLASTER » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑
10 minutes ago
None of this is evidence or proof of rape or sexual assault.
If this is all that was needed to convict people of rape then 1/2 the people in the USA would be in prison and the other half would be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2024, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 9:10 pm

You've lied about the reasons for it.....you've lied about the contents......

I think that's pretty comprehensive.

It was a civil suit and as such ....A **** JOKE.
Which is why Nobody took it seriously except for idiots like you with massive TDS.
In fact in any other jurisdiction besides New York this lying **** would have been laughed out of court....
Which just goes to show how **** up the legal system has become in Liberal dominated cities .....




 

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2024, 8:46 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 8:46 pm

This is a CIVIL trial.......

Do you understand this?

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts
through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such
behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump
deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain
and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the
bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New
York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used
in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .212.0.pdf

It still has to follow NY law...not common parlance, not dictionary definitions but the actual NY law which had a clear definition at the time of the incident and civil trial. Note I have NOT said Trump was not found guilty (which is only possible in a criminal trial).  I have been saying that Trump has never been found to have committed rape in any court, of any kind in any country on earth. Go to the filing Kaplan made (that you are so happy about posting) and look at page 3.  Just in case you are still too lazy to do that, he it is:

The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”

Just in case you have trouble understanding all those big words...here is the actual verdict form turned in to the court when they reached agreement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/0 ... l-00096059

Note the answer to question #1 on the very first page.  That, and only that, is the official jury finding in accordance to NY Penal Law. I understand it causes you great emotional stress...but it is FACT.

Until you are mature enough to abandon the whiny *** liberal talking point and accept fact, there is nothing more to discuss.  Live in your liberal fantasy world if you wish.  That is certainly your right...just like it is the right of everyone with a maturity level beyond that of a third grader to think you're a blithering partisan idiot.

 Personally, while I didn't vote for him this time around, I am far more interested in what President-elect Trump will do in the next four years and looking forward to seeing Commie-lahaha crawl off into the sunset.
 

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 9:16 pm

E.g., 10 U.S.C. § 920(g)(1)(C) (Uniform Code of Military Justice) (defining “sexual act” for
purposes of rape and sexual assault as, inter alia, “the penetration, however slight, of the
vulva or penis or anus of another by any part of the body or any object, with an intent to
abuse, humiliate, harass, or degrade any person or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of
any person”) (emphasis added); WAYNE R. LAFAVE, SUBST. CRIM. L., § 17.2(a) & n. 43 (3d
ed.) (“In recent years, revision of rape laws have often brought about coverage of a broader
range of conduct than is encompassed within the common law term ‘carnal knowledge.’...
As for the acts covered, the new statutes ‘fall into three categories: those that continue the
narrow notion that rape should punish only genital copulation; those that agree with the
Model Code that rape laws should be expanded to include anal and oral copulation; and
those that go beyond the Model Code to include digital or mechanical penetration as well
as genital, anal, and oral sex.”) (emphasis added) (citing state statutes).

Ibid.
 

Just how big a **** idiot are you?  The UCMJ has no relevancy when it comes to private citizens. In the Trump-Carroll case, only the Penal Code of the state of NY is applicable.
 

ConsRule » 10 Nov 2024, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 10:17 pm

It still has to follow NY law...not common parlance, not dictionary definitions but the actual NY law which had a clear definition at the time of the incident and civil trial. Note I have NOT said Trump was not found guilty (which is only possible in a criminal trial).  I have been saying that Trump has never been found to have committed rape in any court, of any kind in any country on earth. Go to the filing Kaplan made (that you are so happy about posting) and look at page 3.  Just in case you are still too lazy to do that, he it is:

Just in case you have trouble understanding all those big words...here is the actual verdict form turned in to the court when they reached agreement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/0 ... l-00096059

Note the answer to question #1 on the very first page.  That, and only that, is the official jury finding in accordance to NY Penal Law. I understand it causes you great emotional stress...but it is FACT.

Until you are mature enough to abandon the whiny *** liberal talking point and accept fact, there is nothing more to discuss.  Live in your liberal fantasy world if you wish.  That is certainly your right...just like it is the right of everyone with a maturity level beyond that of a third grader to think you're a blithering partisan idiot.

 Personally, while I didn't vote for him this time around, I am far more interested in what President-elect Trump will do in the next four years and looking forward to seeing Commie-lahaha crawl off into the sunset.

It still has to follow NY law

show me.

This is a CIVIL matter...it need not do ANYTHING relative to the NY CRIMINAL code.

As Judge Kaplan makes clear in the parts of the filing you are hoping no one sees.

Now is the time for you to explain what qualifies you to tell the presiding judge what he "has to" do.

I bet that you have no legal training or experience.

Until you are mature enough to abandon the whiny *** liberal

One more time...

Me - facts

You - whinyass MAGAt feefees.

ConsRule » 10 Nov 2024, 10:23 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2024, 10:23 pm

Just how big a **** idiot are you?  The UCMJ has no relevancy when it comes to private citizens. In the Trump-Carroll case, only the Penal Code of the state of NY is applicable.

Stupid,

Learn to read.

Get back to me.
 

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 6:02 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 6:02 am

Stupid,

Learn to read.

Get back to me.
 

Navigating time living uniquely YOU in the same space everyone else is uniquely here since day conceived in the shape of a reproductive cell beginning to evolve into different forms aging as displaced.

Common time is now, recorded time is calendar of previous events directing outcomes of everything balancing as specifically proportionately here never same total sum as existed so far, again.

Location, location, location geometrically, geologically, geographically uniquely here in series parallel events changing what was, what is, what becomes of it all previously, currently, next as a whole is equal to total sum of all its parts.

You play the game of governing by reasonable doubt facts control the future developing here for everything balancing between time conceived and time since existing as positioned in current situation.

Title of this thread is we vs you comparing everyone against everything left evolving forward now.

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 6:00 am

Now is the time for you to explain what qualifies you to tell the presiding judge what he "has to" do.

Right after you quote me saying the judge has to do anything.

As for the rest of your post...it's just the same old liberal tripe.  Come up with a new schtick.
 
 

ConsRule » 11 Nov 2024, 7:01 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:01 am

Right after you quote me saying the judge has to do anything.

As for the rest of your post...it's just the same old liberal tripe.  Come up with a new schtick.

The first **** sentence.

It still has to follow NY law.

...it's just the same old liberal tripe.  

The facty stuff.
 

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 7:23 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:23 am

The first **** sentence.

The facty stuff.

You don't know what facts are... you have proven that over and over.

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 7:23 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:23 am

The first **** sentence.

The facty stuff.

AND, DICKBREATH, NY STATE LAW which is APPLIED IN ALL NY STATE COURTS, says that Trump DID NOT RAPE ANYONE!! NO OTHER DEFINITION FOR ANY OTHER COURT IN ANY OTHER STATE OR FEDERAL COURT APPLIES!!

Sucks for you, huh, ASSHOLE!!

And like ALL mentally challeged LWNJs, you just can't seem to get it through that THICK EMPTY SKULL OF YOURS that the JURY FINDINGS IN that case are THE LAST WORD AND THEY SAID NO RAPE HAPPENED!! Sucks, huh, you are SO **** OBTUSELY STUPID you can't read and comprehend what that means!! And like ALL LWNJs, you are too condescending and self-righteous to admit total and complete defeat.

Go back to SUCKING BLACK COCK. We liked you better when you did that.

 
 

*Beekeeper » 11 Nov 2024, 7:29 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:29 am

AND, DICKBREATH, NY STATE LAW which is APPLIED IN ALL NY STATE COURTS, says that Trump DID NOT RAPE ANYONE!! NO OTHER DEFINITION FOR ANY OTHER COURT IN ANY STATE OR FEDERAL COURT APPLIES!!

Sucks for you, huh, ASSHOLE!!

And like ALL mentally challeged LWNJs, you just can't seem to get it through that THICK EMPTY SKULL OF YOURS that the JURY FINDINGS IN THE LAST WORD AND THEY SAID NO RAPE HAPPENED!! Sucks, huh, you are SO **** OBTUSELY STUPID you can't read and comprehend what that means!! And like ALL LWNJs, you are too condescending and self-righteous to admit total and complete defeat.

Go back to SUCKING BLACK COCK. We liked you better when you did that.

**** off, Fondler..

As **** stupid as Connie is, you've gpt him beat.
 

Poor BV, calling others fondler's when he is the one with the tag...

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:31 am

**** off, Fondler..

As **** stupid as Connie is, you've gpt him beat.

^^^^ FAMOUS words of an OBTUSE PIG TURD when he just got his *** HANDED TO HER AS A CURB STOMPED IDIOT!!

Sucks, huh??

*Beekeeper » 11 Nov 2024, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:56 am

^^^^ FAMOUS words of an OBTUSE PIG TURD when he just got his *** HANDED TO HER AS A CURB STOMPED IDIOT!!

Sucks, huh??

Neither of you know anything....but you're quite emphatic in your ignorance.

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2024, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 7:31 am

**** off, Fondler..

As **** stupid as Connie is, you've gpt him beat.

So you're trying to tell us that LAWS IN S. DAKOTA are used to try cases in NY STATE???

Damn, DICKBREATH, you are one REALLY **** UP IDIOT!!

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf04sdrF/****.jpg

*Beekeeper » 11 Nov 2024, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2024, 8:07 am

So you're trying to tell us that LAWS IN S. DAKOTA are used to try cases in NY STATE???

Damn, DICKBREATH, you are one REALLY **** UP IDIOT!!

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf04sdrF/****.jpg

It is a CIVIL case.