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"It's Not That We Hate...It's Because, You Know, They're Criminals."
"It's Not That We Hate...It's Because, You Know, They're Criminals."
By Blackvegetable
8 Nov 2024 5:47 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
12 Nov 2024 2:26 pm
Not going to research if I'm correct, but I believe she alleges vaginal penetration with a finger. Now, before you start to gloat...under NY law at the time of the incident and the trial, that DOES NOT fit the statutory definition of rape. Which is why the jury found that Trump did not commit rape and did find that he committed sexual assault (abuse). Don't you just hate it when the law gets in the way of your liberal spin?Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑ We're making progress.
What specific act of assault was alleged?
(We are so tantalizingly close)
12 Nov 2024 2:28 pm
Just stop right there for a minute.......this is momentous.....ConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑Not going to research if I'm correct, but I believe she alleges vaginal penetration with a finger. Now, before you start to gloat...under NY law at the time of the incident and the trial, that DOES NOT fit the statutory definition of rape. Which is why the jury found that Trump did not commit rape and did find that he committed sexual assault (abuse). Don't you just hate it when the law gets in the way of your liberal spin?Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑ We're making progress.
What specific act of assault was alleged?
(We are so tantalizingly close)
On the basis of this, they awarded 2 million.
What did Team Grifty claim in its petition for relief?
12 Nov 2024 2:35 pm
Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑ You were asked to post what specific act of sexual assault was alleged.
You're a **** idiot.
You can claim ANYTHING since NY State does NOT DEFINE SEXUAL ASSAULT, DICKFACE!!
New York State Penal Law Definitions
Sucks for you, huh, ****!!
ROFLMAO!!!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
12 Nov 2024 2:37 pm
No...it's part of the court record.*Beekeeper » 12 Nov 2024, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑ You can claim ANYTHING since NY State does NOT DEFINE SEXUAL ASSAULT, DICKFACE!!
New York State Penal Law Definitions
Sucks for you, huh, ****!!
ROFLMAO!!!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You're a **** idiot...
wanna try again
12 Nov 2024 2:38 pm
I don't care. The petition for relief has nothing to do with the point I have been making. I have been talking about the jury verdict...period.Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑ Just stop right there for a minute.......this is momentous.....
On the basis of this, they awarded 2 million.
What did Team Grifty claim in its petition for relief?
I have to had it to you, you are one stubborn, stupid ****.
12 Nov 2024 2:40 pm
Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑ Just stop right there for a minute.......this is momentous.....
On the basis of this, they awarded 2 million.
What did Team Grifty claim in its petition for relief?
Look COCKSUCKER, YOU claimed TRUMP WAS A RAPIST!!
PERIOD!!
WE'VE PROVEN BEYOND ANY AND ALL DOUBT THAT NO JURY HAS FOUND TRUMP GUILTY OF ANY RAPE!! PERIOD!!
AND your vapid and TIME-WASTING ATTEMPTS TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIM WITH FALSE AND MISLEADING NARRATIVES ARE ****!!
YOU GOT THE **** CURB STOMPED OUT OF YOU AND HAVE NOTHING LEFT!! TRUMP DID NOT COMMIT RAPE UNDER NY STATE LAW AND NO JURY FOUND THAT HE EVER DID!!
SUCK ON IT!! **** OFF!! YOU'RE A **** PISSED ON, **** ON, AND VANQUISHED ASSHOLE THAT GOT DESTROYED!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
12 Nov 2024 2:41 pm
But for Team Grifty's motion, Kaplan would never have had cause to comment...ConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 3:38 pm » wrote: ↑ I don't care. The petition for relief has nothing to do with the point I have been making. I have been talking about the jury verdict...period.
I have to had it to you, you are one stubborn, stupid ****.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive
because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5
Its verdict, he says, could have
been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar
conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for
such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his
argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts
through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such
behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump
deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain
and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the
bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New
York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used
in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
There is no basis for disturbing the jury’s sexual assault damages
12 Nov 2024 2:42 pm
That is what a jury found......*Beekeeper » 12 Nov 2024, 3:40 pm » wrote: ↑ Look COCKSUCKER, YOU claimed TRUMP WAS A RAPIST!!
PERIOD!!
WE'VE PROVEN BEYOND ANY AND ALL DOUBT THAT NO JURY HAS FOUND TRUMP GUILTY OF ANY RAPE!! PERIOD!!
AND your vapid and TIME-WASTING ATTEMPTS TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIM WITH FALSE AND MISLEADING NARRATIVES ARE ****!!
YOU GOT THE **** CURB STOMPED OUT OF YOU AND HAVE NOTHING LEFT!! TRUMP DID NOT COMMIT RAPE UNDER NY STATE LAW AND NO JURY FOUND THAT HE EVER DID!!
SUCK ON IT!! **** OFF!! YOU'RE A **** PISSED ON, **** ON, AND VANQUISHED ASSHOLE THAT GOT DESTROYED!!
12 Nov 2024 2:43 pm
12 Nov 2024 2:53 pm
12 Nov 2024 2:56 pm
NO, THEY DIDN'T, ASSHOLE.
YOU WERE SHOWN THE JURY VERDICT SHEET THAT SAID NO RAPE WAS PROVEN!!
PERIOD!!
SUCK IT UP AND ADMIT YOU GOT YOUR *** KICKED MASSIVELY. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!
END OF STORY, ASSHOLE!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
12 Nov 2024 2:56 pm
Unfortunately, in court you have to go by the law...not use the definition you like in the Funk and Wagnalls dictionary. By the way, none of the jury award was related to rape. Which makes me wonder why Kaplan felt the need to lie about that portion of the case. Probably so idiots like you could use his lie for election spin. Man...that did a lot of good. Trump only won 58% of the vote.Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑ But for Team Grifty's motion, Kaplan would never have had cause to comment...
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive
because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5
Its verdict, he says, could have
been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar
conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for
such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his
argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts
through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such
behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump
deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain
and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the
bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New
York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used
in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
There is no basis for disturbing the jury’s sexual assault damages
12 Nov 2024 3:38 pm
ConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Unfortunately, in court you have to go by the law...not use the definition you like in the Funk and Wagnalls dictionary. By the way, none of the jury award was related to rape. Which makes me wonder why Kaplan felt the need to lie about that portion of the case. Probably so idiots like you could use his lie for election spin. Man...that did a lot of good. Trump only won 58% of the vote.
unfortunately, this was a civil matter.Unfortunately, in court you have to go by the law
12 Nov 2024 3:43 pm
if you are correct? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.ConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑ Not going to research if I'm correct, but I believe she alleges vaginal penetration with a finger. Now, before you start to gloat...under NY law at the time of the incident and the trial, that DOES NOT fit the statutory definition of rape. Which is why the jury found that Trump did not commit rape and did find that he committed sexual assault (abuse). Don't you just hate it when the law gets in the way of your liberal spin?
12 Nov 2024 4:05 pm
Doesn't change the fact the jury found that Trump DID NOT commit rape. Do I need to give you the link to the jury verdict form (for likely the 10th time)? I know you (and possibly your boy toy Kaplan) want to ignore the jury verdict form, but that doesn't make it go away or change their verdict.Blackvegetable » 12 Nov 2024, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑ But for Team Grifty's motion, Kaplan would never have had cause to comment...
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive
because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5
Its verdict, he says, could have
been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar
conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for
such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his
argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts
through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such
behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump
deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain
and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the
bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New
York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used
in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
There is no basis for disturbing the jury’s sexual assault damages
12 Nov 2024 4:35 pm
Kaplan has done nothing more thanConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑ Doesn't change the fact the jury found that Trump DID NOT commit rape. Do I need to give you the link to the jury verdict form (for likely the 10th time)? I know you (and possibly your boy toy Kaplan) want to ignore the jury verdict form, but that doesn't make it go away or change their verdict.
Respond to Team Grifty's motion
Explain why its argument, specifically that since they did not vote rape the award was excessive, is not persuasive.
Denied the relief.
It is only because Grifty chose the "definitional" hill to die on, that Kaplan skewered him.
There is nothing inappropriate in the jury making an award based on its determination of the liability - in this case, non consensual digital penetration - nor is it, or the judge, limited to the NY state criminal standard in determining what transpired. Grifty is not being sentenced for rape.
12 Nov 2024 4:39 pm
12 Nov 2024 4:39 pm
Still have to follow the laws of the jurisdiction. Which is why the jury voted no on if Trump raped Carroll.
12 Nov 2024 4:54 pm
Let's simplify this...ConsRule » 12 Nov 2024, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Still have to follow the laws of the jurisdiction. Which is why the jury voted no on if Trump raped Carroll.
The jury determined that Grifty had digitally penetrated her....that is defined, broadly, as rape.
Grifty, having assumed the role of Active Party to such an event, can be rightfully called by the same name as the lowliest private in the armies under his command accused of the same act.
12 Nov 2024 4:58 pm
No DICKSUCKYBOI, this is what the JURY FOUND.....
https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/ ... 180432.png
See, NO RAPE OCCURRED!!
Sucks, huh, that you INSIST on getting your *** CURB STOMPED EVEN MORE!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
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