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Cannonpointer » 29 Nov 2024, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 10:20 am

Attributions, fruitcake. do not change reality. You can ATTRIBUTE female pronouns to males - it does not make them females. 

Except in your very special, very cultish, very anti-science milieu.

but they're conspicuous...

the new word of the day = conspicuous...  
 

Blackvegetable » 29 Nov 2024, 10:31 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 10:31 am

Please stop trying to shame me because I'm articulate, morlock.

^^^ articulately stupid...
 

Blackvegetable » 28 Nov 2024, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2024, 11:47 am

The president-elect's first term turned lobbying into a growth industry, and he looks poised to do it again.

learn to read.

Learn to stop lying

Just a little more reality for the tariff alarmist.

Of all the Trump tariffs of 2018-2019, the steel tariffs are the best example of this. The 25% steel tariffs led to an increase in domestic steel output and a rise in domestic market share as imports fell from over 30% of the market to 21%. More significantly, in the wake of the tariffs, U.S. steel companies opened around 15 new mills and steelmaking facilities, at locations ranging from Florida to Texas to Arizona. Steel Dynamics’ new Sinton, Texas facility will employ 3,000 when it is fully operational. It is already producing steel, with some 600 employees working there. The knock-on local economic benefits are evident. Local developers are planning to build some 400 new houses in the Sinton area to accommodate steelworkers and employees of the supplier firms setting up in the area According to the company’s SEC filings, the median pay for a Steel Dynamics employee last year was $119,460,

It’s a similar story for Nucor, the largest U.S. steelmaker, which has opened facilities in Florida, Arkansas, Kentucky, is now building a steel mill in West Virginia, and is currently evaluating locations for a new mill in the Pacific Northwest. According to local news reports, the West Virginia facility employs 2,000 now in its construction phase. When the mill is up and running in 2025, it will employ several hundred steelworkers. Nucor’s median pay last year was $105,755.

A U.S. International Trade Commission (USITC) report from 2023 looked at 12 industrial categories where the Trump tariffs applied and found that by 2021 domestic production increased in all of them, ranging from 1.2% for computer equipment up to 7.5% for household furniture. All 12 industries together accounted for $931 billion in output in 2021 and production increased an average of 4.1%. I summarized the study’s results here.
 

Cannonpointer » 29 Nov 2024, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 10:24 am

MAGAts are a bigger tent than you are smart enough to comprehend.

Many many people from varied walks of life voted for the hands-down winner of both the popular and the electoral vote. 

Your view of the world was roundly rejected by your neighbors - and your bitterness is driving you to lump them all into a single unit at which you can easily snort. 

This is not how we learn from history, Pookie Bear. This is how we repeat our mistakes.

Walk it off, kid - and give a hunnerdnten percent next time.

Many are the Morons.
 

Blackvegetable » Yesterday, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 12:14 pm

Many are the Morons.

You are a media fed idiot.

Fuelman » 29 Nov 2024, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 9:27 am

Here is just one example of tariffs working:

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In January 2018, the Trump administration imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on large residential washing machines. The tariffs expired in February 2023. Six years after these tariffs were imposed, the U.S. now has a larger, more successful, and more competitive domestic washing machine industry.

The tariffs were a success, as measured by over 2,000 new jobs, more competition, no sustained effect on washing machine prices and economic stimulus with the construction of new factories.

The tariffs brought jobs and economic prosperity to two regions where appliances were not previously manufactured: Clarksville, Tennessee and Newberry, South Carolina.

No Long-Term Effect on Prices
Tariff opponents continue to repeat the falsehood that the tariffs raised washing machine prices. But washing machines fit a pattern we’ve seen with many of the 2018-2019 tariffs: After a brief price surge, consumer prices of the tariffed products fall, and tariffs have no noticeable effect on those prices afterwards.

There are plenty more examples of tariffs doing exactly what they were meant to do.

Or you can believe the alarmist who apparently don't know ****.

The tariffs were a success, as measured by over 2,000 new jobs, more competition, no sustained effect on washing machine prices and economic stimulus with the construction of new factories.

2,000?

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... rcna171665


Led by the South, clean energy sector added more than 150,000 jobs last year

After a brief price surge, consumer prices of the tariffed products fall, and tariffs have no noticeable effect on those prices afterwards.

There's some flack jibber jabber. 

Fuelman » 29 Nov 2024, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 11:41 am

Just a little more reality for the tariff alarmist.

**** rube...

A study published in fall 2019 in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that by December 2018, Trump's tariffs resulted in a reduction in aggregate U.S. real income of $1.4 billion per month in deadweight losses, and cost U.S. consumers an additional $3.2 billion per month in added tax.[24] The study's authors noted that these were conservative measures of the losses from the tariffs, because they did not take account of the tariffs' effects in reducing the variety of products available to consumers, or the tariff-related costs attributable to policy uncertainty or the fixed costs incurred by companies to reorganize their global supply chains.[24] A study by Federal Reserve Board economists found that the tariffs reduced employment in the American manufacturing sector.[208][209]

 An April 2019 working paper by economists found that the tariffs on washing machines caused the prices of washers to increase by approximately twelve percent in the United States.[23] A 2019 paper by Federal Reserve Board economists found that the steel tariffs led to 0.6% fewer jobs in the manufacturing sector than would have happened in the absence of the tariffs; this amounted to approximately 75,000 jobs.[210][211]

 In May 2019, analyses from varying organizations were released. A May 2019 Goldman Sachs analysis found that the consumer price index (CPI) for tariffed goods had increased dramatically, compared to a declining CPI for all other core goods.[212] A CNBC analysis that month found that Trump had "enacted tariffs equivalent to one of the largest tax increases in decades," while Tax Foundation and Tax Policy Center analyses found the tariffs could offset the benefits of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 for many households.[20][21][22] The Tax Foundation found that if all existing and proposed tariffs were fully implemented, the benefits of the Trump tax cut would be eliminated for all taxpayers through the 90th percentile in earnings.[213

 
 

murdock » 29 Nov 2024, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 12:17 pm

You are a media fed idiot.

You're an idiot.

Period.
 

ROG62 » 29 Nov 2024, 11:19 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 11:19 am

^^^ articulately stupid...

JuCo,

Shut up and resent.
 

ROG62 » 29 Nov 2024, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 11:17 am

you're obviously blind in one eye and can't see out of the other...  

Shouldn't you be "collaborating" your OPINION 

*Huey » 29 Nov 2024, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 10:45 am

You aren’t claiming to be a libertarian are ya?

So....****....g'ddammned....stupid.....
 

Blackvegetable » Yesterday, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 12:29 pm

You're an idiot.

Period.

Lol, media fed *** says what? Put down that horse dick and splain yourself, queer.

murdock » 29 Nov 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 12:37 pm

Lol, media fed *** says what? Put down that horse dick and splain yourself, queer.

Your forebears were morons...
Your fate is congenital.

 

Cannonpointer » 29 Nov 2024, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 10:20 am

Attributions, fruitcake. do not change reality. You can ATTRIBUTE female pronouns to males - it does not make them females. 

Except in your very special, very cultish, very anti-science milieu.

Here's some reality...

Your eyes are compromised by advanced stage syphilis, and years of disregarding sperm shield safety advisories.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 29 Nov 2024, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 12:33 pm

So....****....g'ddammned....stupid.....

I guess you are....too funny.
 

*Huey » 28 Nov 2024, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2024, 11:52 am

WOW!  How can this be.  You argued that under Biden we are producing more than ever. 

It's his shtick.

WOW!  How can this be.  You argued that under Biden we are producing more than ever

That is something one can either demonstrate, or not.

So......****......g'ddammned.....stupid.

Blackvegetable » 29 Nov 2024, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 1:55 pm

That is something one can either demonstrate, or not.

So......****......g'ddammned.....stupid.

LMAO!  Ok, so you are argument now is we are not producing more oil and more drilling under Biden.  Take a stand.

Blackvegetable » 29 Nov 2024, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 12:32 pm

Shouldn't you be "collaborating" your OPINION

no brown...you s/b...
 

Blackvegetable » 29 Nov 2024, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Nov 2024, 12:28 pm

**** rube...

 

Dumb ****, it's 2024!

Now for the bitch slap!

The report, Economic Impact of the Section 232 and 301 Tariffs on U.S. Industries, published by the U.S. International Trade Commission (USITC) in March this year, took an in-depth look at the effects of the 232 tariffs (steel and aluminum) and the 301 tariffs (levied on roughly half of U.S. imports from China) on the importing industries and on industries dependent on them. The authors of the report used a set of customized economic models to track the impact of the tariffs on those industries over the years 2019 through 2021. In every one of the ten industries the authors studied, the 301 tariffs led to significant increases in domestic production. The conclusions show that the tariffs led to significant increases in domestic production in the tariffed industries. That’s the first major piece of new information in this report. Most previous studies of the impact of the tariffs ignored the impact on domestic production. This report documents its growth in 12 industrial sectors. The second, even more significant, breakthrough in this report is to point out that there is a big difference between the price of an imported, tariffed good and what the report calls the “U.S. price” for that product. The “U.S. price” is the average price for that good including both tariffed and nontariffed goods. When a tariffed product is imported, Customs records the price of the import at the border and that data is publicly available in Department of Commerce databases. Many studies published since 2018 have found that import prices changed little or not at all after imposition of tariffs. They then added the tariff cost (typically between 10% and 25%) onto that import price and concluded this would be the post-tariff price in that industry. They then further assumed that all products in that category were selling in the U.S. at that post-tariff price. The USITC study shows this is wrong. In fact, what has happened in all 12 of the industry sectors the report examines is that goods not affected by the tariff saw price increases far below the price increases of the tariffed goods. The report authors provide a weighted average of the tariffed goods prices and the non-tariffed goods prices to arrive at a price change in the “U.S. price” of the good. Here is an example: the price of imported, tariffed steel entering the U.S. in 2021 rose by 22.7%, close to the 25% tariff rate. However, the price of domestically produced steel rose just 0.75%. As a result, all steel sold in the U.S. in 2021 saw a tariff-related price increase of just 2.47%. The significance of this is huge. Most academic studies of the tariffs since 2018 have assumed that since tariffed goods prices rose by close to the tariff rate, the entire set of those products sold in the U.S. must also have risen by that amount. They then concluded that these large price increases would burden with higher costs the industries that consume those tariffed goods. That conclusion is clearly wrong. U.S. purchasers of these goods paid only the average price for all goods in that category. 

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