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Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 11:36 am

That's exactly the point!

But the DO lie when they state that the tariff will be levied on DOMESTICALLY made cars as well as imports!
Why were they unafraid to lie about that very important fact, and refuse to tell how the tariff on imports are designed to work and what they will accomplish?
It's because they know how gullible liberals like you really are!

aaand there is a component made in mexico all cars need.

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 11:36 am

That's exactly the point!

But the DO lie when they state that the tariff will be levied on DOMESTICALLY made cars as well as imports!
Why were they unafraid to lie about that very important fact, and refuse to tell how the tariff on imports are designed to work and what they will accomplish?
It's because they know how gullible liberals like you really are!

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Mexico is a leading supplier of auto parts to the United States, accounting for 42.5% of total imports in the first two months of 2024. 
Mexico is home to manufacturing facilities for many well-known automakers, including Volkswagen, Nissan, General Motors, Honda, Audi, Toyota, Hyundai, Volvo, Chrysler Fiat, Ford, and Mazda. U.S. automakers have relocated parts of their manufacturing processes to Mexico to reduce costs and remain competitive in the global market

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:18 pm

aaand there is a component made in mexico all cars need.

So tell me this, genius.
What's preventing them from making that all-important component in THIS country?
Wouldn't YOU do that if you had many auto plants in this country anyway, and this move would give you a huge advantage over other brands of imports by saving that tariff?

Why is it that liberals like you can't figure out such simple things as that?
Well, if you ask me it's because they unquestionably swallow every line of economic **** heard on CNN to push their left-wing Democrat "hate Trump" agenda, and they know liberals like you will blindly repeat their lies as you've done!

Liberals are nothing if not the most gullible cretins on the planet!
 

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 10:45 am

The fact that is intentionally withheld from that story is that the tariff will ONLY apply to cars imported and NOT to cars that are built here in America.  Those prices will not change and that will force car manufacturers elsewhere to either absorb most or all of that tariff themselves, relocate their business to this country, or see their competition sell a similar car for thousands less, costing them a severe drop in sales here, while the government makes billions from the new foreign tariffs.

When a story deliberately tells you only half the story, you can either swallow it all like a gullible fool, or take it upon yourself to learn the truth. 
Apparently, you're well ensconced in that first group.

as usual you only see what trump tells you.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mexican parts to build 
https://www.10news.com/news/national/ev ... -or-trucks

By: CNN Newsource
Posted 9:51 AM, May 31, 2019
 
and last updated 9:51 AM, May 31, 2019 Building a car in the United States, and buying one, could get a lot more expensive.Every American auto factory depends on Mexican parts to build its cars or trucks. That's why President Donald Trump's threat to impose tariffs on Mexican imports of up to 25% by October is rattling the US auto industry. The tariffs could raise costs in the United States by tens of billions of dollars in the auto industry alone.Car buyers would probably pay the cost of those tariffs."We believe the tariffs on vehicles would undoubtedly be passed on to consumers," wrote Emmanuel Rosner, auto analyst for Deutsche Bank. If the Trump administration enforces the full 25% tariff, it would increase the price of vehicles sold in the United States by an average of about $1,300, Rosner said.That price increase would hurt demand for cars, perhaps cutting US auto production by as much as 3 million vehicles a year, an 18% drop from current levels, Rosner estimates.If that happened, it would be the greatest blow to the US auto industry since the Great Recession sent the industry hurling toward near collapse 10 years ago.       
 

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:17 pm

how do the tariffs fit in with trump's campaign promise to lower prices?

if implemented… they don’t 

if successful as a scare tactic … who can say?
 

jerra b » 15 Dec 2024, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:09 pm

lets call american cars made in mexico car a's and american cars made in america car b's.

also call used cars car c's

if car b's are selling for less than car a's and selling more than car a's then in order to increase sales for car a's (made in mexico) car b's prices would be raised to make them equal in price to car a's.

as far as used cars -car c's- the price would be raised to discourage people from buying only used cars.

That falls under price gouging by the dealer association monopolizing new car sales across the country. Profiteering is immoral not illegal. Reality is immoral and punishing any ancestor being honest how ancestries evolve in plain sight living eternally separated since day conceived, not day of birth celebrated annually cradle to grave.

You are never honest between what your brain navigates living all the time and how you mind social consensus daily. SOP vs ATE.

Standard Operating Procedures(rule of law) vs Ancestral Time Evolving(ancestral position daily here) in plain sight as occupying space this rotation different from any other prior to or after this rotation.

Mrkelly » 15 Dec 2024, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:29 pm

if implemented… they don’t 

if successful as a scare tactic … who can say?

trump has the us government locked up. he can do whatever he wants. even if it destroys the economy. which his supporters embrace. even if it destroys the  country. which his supporters embrace.
 

31stArrival » 15 Dec 2024, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:34 pm

That falls under price gouging by the dealer association monopolizing new car sales across the country. Profiteering is immoral not illegal. Reality is immoral and punishing any ancestor being honest how ancestries evolve in plain sight living eternally separated since day conceived, not day of birth celebrated annually cradle to grave.

You are never honest between what your brain navigates living all the time and how you mind social consensus daily. SOP vs ATE.

Standard Operating Procedures(rule of law) vs Ancestral Time Evolving(ancestral position daily here) in plain sight as occupying space this rotation different from any other prior to or after this rotation.

shut up.

jerra b » 15 Dec 2024, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:42 pm

shut up.

Did I expose your reality's methodology practiced for hundreds of generation gaps so far? 101 since the mythology of Jesus being son of God. Remember where the original Bible was create by.

Pagan Roman Empire rebranding itself as a spiritual world order over a political state of mind.

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:21 pm

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Mexico is a leading supplier of auto parts to the United States, accounting for 42.5% of total imports in the first two months of 2024. 
Mexico is home to manufacturing facilities for many well-known automakers, including Volkswagen, Nissan, General Motors, Honda, Audi, Toyota, Hyundai, Volvo, Chrysler Fiat, Ford, and Mazda. U.S. automakers have relocated parts of their manufacturing processes to Mexico to reduce costs and remain competitive in the global market

So, will they REMAIN competitive in the US market if they're now forced to pay Trump's tariff?  Or will they choose instead to circumvent it by moving the production of those parts back into the US?

Now, many of those foreign auto products may not find it worthwhile to transition production back to the US.  A $4 water hose that's made in Mexico may be subjected to the 10% tariff, but is saving 40 cents enough to make such a change?  Only the auto maker will determine that for himself, exactly as it should be!

Beyond the obvious and most simple changes, you need to recognize the fact that just the threat of imposing such a detrimental tax to their country, Mexico would choose to negotiate with Trump to avoid such a calamity to their economy by changing their own policies on illegal immigration, curtailing the flow of drugs through the border, and accepting some of the millions of illegals back into their country for THEM to return to Venezuela, Guatemala, Nicaragua, or wherever they came from.
Trump may very well be the absolute best negotiator on the planet, and you can already see how his influence is spreading when he still has over a month before he takes office by the way the caravans of illegals are dissipating:

Mexico's migrant caravan breaking up after Trump victory sows uncertaintyReuters By Daniel Becerril and Lizbeth Diaz
November 7, 2024
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 024-11-07/

 

Migrants Abandon Caravan As Trump Win Kills 'Dream of Getting Out'Newsweek by Jesus Mesa
Migrants are abandoning a caravan headed for the United States because Donald Trump's election win has dashed their "dream of getting out".

The caravan, which began earlier this week in southern Mexico, included approximately 3,000 migrants seeking asylum or economic opportunities in the U.S.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mi ... r-AA1tHddQ

 

Trump May Have Just Stopped Massive Caravan From Approaching US BorderMSN by Jason Hopkins
Many migrants have lost hope of illegally crossing into the United States and have decided to turn around after hearing that Republican nominee Donald Trump won the presidential election, according to multiple reports.

A migrant caravan heading for the U.S.-Mexico border has shrunk to roughly half its size as members accepted the fact that Trump would be re-taking the reins at the White House
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1tHy46

 
 

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:50 pm

So, will they REMAIN competitive in the US market if they're now forced to pay Trump's tariff?  Or will they choose instead to circumvent it by moving the production of those parts back into the US?

Now, many of those foreign auto products may not find it worthwhile to transition production back to the US.  A $4 water hose that's made in Mexico may be subjected to the 10% tariff, but is saving 40 cents enough to make such a change?  Only the auto maker will determine that for himself, exactly as it should be!

Beyond the obvious and most simple changes, you need to recognize the fact that just the threat of imposing such a detrimental tax to their country, Mexico would choose to negotiate with Trump to avoid such a calamity to their economy by changing their own policies on illegal immigration, curtailing the flow of drugs through the border, and accepting some of the millions of illegals back into their country for THEM to return to Venezuela, Guatemala, Nicaragua, or wherever they came from.
Trump may very well be the absolute best negotiator on the planet, and you can already see how his influence is spreading when he still has over a month before he takes office by the way the caravans of illegals are dissipating:

no. the manufactures will stay in mexico rather than to  make expensive moves. no change in operations in mexico, the tariffs' high prices will be passed to americans.
 

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:27 pm

as usual you only see what trump tells you.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mexican parts to build 
https://www.10news.com/news/national/ev ... -or-trucks

By: CNN Newsource
Posted 9:51 AM, May 31, 2019
 
and last updated 9:51 AM, May 31, 2019 Building a car in the United States, and buying one, could get a lot more expensive.Every American auto factory depends on Mexican parts to build its cars or trucks. That's why President Donald Trump's threat to impose tariffs on Mexican imports of up to 25% by October is rattling the US auto industry. The tariffs could raise costs in the United States by tens of billions of dollars in the auto industry alone.Car buyers would probably pay the cost of those tariffs."We believe the tariffs on vehicles would undoubtedly be passed on to consumers," wrote Emmanuel Rosner, auto analyst for Deutsche Bank. If the Trump administration enforces the full 25% tariff, it would increase the price of vehicles sold in the United States by an average of about $1,300, Rosner said.That price increase would hurt demand for cars, perhaps cutting US auto production by as much as 3 million vehicles a year, an 18% drop from current levels, Rosner estimates.If that happened, it would be the greatest blow to the US auto industry since the Great Recession sent the industry hurling toward near collapse 10 years ago.     

See, that's where you're wrong!
The way I digest the promises Trump has made is by the sheer logic of a policy by putting myself in the shoes of those foreign countries that will get crushed by the Trump tariff.  

Do you REALLY think that China or Mexico will simply shrug their shoulders and raise their prices that will force them to be uncompetitive with the rest of the market for their product?  You think they'll be happy to accept a sales drop of 50% or more because domestic US made products are now so much cheaper?  Most will absorb the majority of that cost increase themselves rather than lose those kinds of sales.  

Just look at the lies that the idiots at CNN tell you and how you're gullible enough to accept their theory as gospel.
I GUARANTEE that US auto makers WILL NOT suffer an 18% drop from their current levels!  They will adjust their purchasing and logistics to avoid that, and reap the rewards of higher sales than ever as those foreign auto makers can't compete with that!

Try considering the reactions to such a change from the perspective of those business owners and you may just have an inkling about what's coming.  Of course, learning the basics of economics wouldn't hurt a gullible liberal like you one bit!
 

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 12:54 pm

no. the manufactures will stay in mexico rather than to  make expensive moves. no change in operations in mexico, the tariffs' high prices will be passed to americans.

Oh, and will they ALSO twist your arm to buy a $35,000 Lexus made in Mexico when a US made Taurus (for example) of equal value costs only $28,000?  It takes very little to add the necessary equipment to build an auto part in an American facility that's already manufacturing hundreds of other car parts.  And that plant in Mexico can still sell their parts to the rest of the world, just not to the US.

Have you forgotten how AMERICAN AUTOMAKERS moved their production to Mexico to take advantage of the lower labor cost?  Well, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy!  Those savings no longer apply!  So how is it ANY different for those same AMERICAN automakers to shift their production once again BACK to the US just as they moved them to Mexico years ago?
Don't you remember hearing about that "great sucking sound" years ago when NAFTA was put in place and tens of millions of jobs went outside the country virtually overnight?

Watch and learn how business owners take immediate action the minute that the Trump tariffs are put into effect.
I think you'll be shocked at how foolish you were to think they wouldn't do so!
 

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:09 pm

See, that's where you're wrong!
The way I digest the promises Trump has made is by the sheer logic of a policy by putting myself in the shoes of those foreign countries that will get crushed by the Trump tariff.  

Do you REALLY think that China or Mexico will simply shrug their shoulders and raise their prices that will force them to be uncompetitive with the rest of the market for their product?  You think they'll be happy to accept a sales drop of 50% or more because domestic US made products are now so much cheaper?  Most will absorb the majority of that cost increase themselves rather than lose those kinds of sales.  

Just look at the lies that the idiots at CNN tell you and how you're gullible enough to accept their theory as gospel.
I GUARANTEE that US auto makers WILL NOT suffer an 18% drop from their current levels!  They will adjust their purchasing and logistics to avoid that, and reap the rewards of higher sales than ever as those foreign auto makers can't compete with that!

Try considering the reactions to such a change from the perspective of those business owners and you may just have an inkling about what's coming.  Of course, learning the basics of economics wouldn't hurt a gullible liberal like you one bit!

they keep the facilities and pass the tariffs to american car buyers. if they relocate they will have to spend billions of dollars. true they can raise prices but why go thru all the trouble? either way new car prices will be through the roof.

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:25 pm

they keep the facilities and pass the tariffs to american car buyers. if they relocate they will have to spend billions of dollars. true they can raise prices but why go thru all the trouble? either way new car prices will be through the roof.

So in your mind, EVERY new car in the US will see much higher prices according to your theory?
And a car company would rather lose billions in sales than transfer production of a part to one of their already existing facilities in the US?  It DOES NOT COST BILLIONS to do that!  But it DID cost them billions when they initially opened up new plants in Mexico in the past, and they eagerly spent that money in order to save money. 

So how is it any different now when it won't cost them nearly as much to do so as it did then?

Use your head for just a second here.
If you were the CEO of Ford, and all you had to do was to move the production of a dozen parts back into the US to have an huge price advantage for your cars over GM, Toyota, Kia, and others, are you saying you wouldn't do it?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:24 pm

Oh, and will they ALSO twist your arm to buy a $35,000 Lexus made in Mexico when a US made Taurus (for example) of equal value costs only $28,000?  It takes very little to add the necessary equipment to build an auto part in an American facility that's already manufacturing hundreds of other car parts.  And that plant in Mexico can still sell their parts to the rest of the world, just not to the US.

Have you forgotten how AMERICAN AUTOMAKERS moved their production to Mexico to take advantage of the lower labor cost?  Well, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy!  Those savings no longer apply!  So how is it ANY different for those same AMERICAN automakers to shift their production once again BACK to the US just as they moved them to Mexico years ago?
Don't you remember hearing about that "great sucking sound" years ago when NAFTA was put in place and tens of millions of jobs went outside the country virtually overnight?

Watch and learn how business owners take immediate action the minute that the Trump tariffs are put into effect.
I think you'll be shocked at how foolish you were to think they wouldn't do so!

the factories are in place and they cost billions of dollars. they are not going to move no where no how. it  will be american car  buyers who pay the xtra moolah and they will raise prices on cars made in america to equalize cars made in america to cars made in mexico.
 

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:35 pm

So in your mind, EVERY new car in the US will see much higher prices according to your theory?
And a car company would rather lose billions in sales than transfer production of a part to one of their already existing facilities in the US?  It DOES NOT COST BILLIONS to do that!  But it DID cost them billions when they initially opened up new plants in Mexico in the past, and they eagerly spent that money in order to save money. 

So how is it any different now when it won't cost them nearly as much to do so as it did then?

Use your head for just a second here.
If you were the CEO of Ford, and all you had to do was to move the production of a dozen parts back into the US to have an huge price advantage for your cars over GM, Toyota, Kia, and others, are you saying you wouldn't do it?

why should they spend any money??  the tariffs will be paid by american car buyers.

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:41 pm

why should they spend any money??  the tariffs will be paid by american car buyers.

SAYS THE LIBERAL ASSWIPE

Zeets2 » 15 Dec 2024, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:35 pm

So in your mind, EVERY new car in the US will see much higher prices according to your theory?
And a car company would rather lose billions in sales than transfer production of a part to one of their already existing facilities in the US?  It DOES NOT COST BILLIONS to do that!  But it DID cost them billions when they initially opened up new plants in Mexico in the past, and they eagerly spent that money in order to save money. 

So how is it any different now when it won't cost them nearly as much to do so as it did then?

Use your head for just a second here.
If you were the CEO of Ford, and all you had to do was to move the production of a dozen parts back into the US to have an huge price advantage for your cars over GM, Toyota, Kia, and others, are you saying you wouldn't do it?

mexico has the us over a barrel where it comes to car manufacturing.
 

jerrab » 15 Dec 2024, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 1:57 pm

mexico has the us over a barrel where it comes to car manufacturing.

NOT FOR TOO MUCH LONGER