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Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 3:20 pm

But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for — forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”

That's nice.  But the law at the time defined rape as vaginal penetration with the penis.  Digital penetration at the time was sexual abuse.  

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 11:21 am

Wrong.

The jury doesn't respond to post verdict petitions.

So **** g'ddammned stupid

They don't have to...they've decided and it's WORD....
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Dec 2024, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 3:34 pm

So in your make believe Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.

Actually with all my arguments with liberals that is correct ...
Just an accusation is enough.

Like "dead soldiers are losers and suckers".
Anonymous sources is enough proof.
 

*GHETTO » wrote:

31 Jan 1970, 5:00 pm

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 3:12 pm

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ”

So in your make believe Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.


 

That's how he rolls.

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 7:21 am

Enough of your **** ignorance, Connie.

Surely you don't honestly think a jury, even one in a civil trial, doesn't have to follow the law when it comes to their finding on the facts of the case.  They typically have a great deal of freedom in determining the award, though an outrageously high amount would probably be lowered on appeal.

Once again, here is a link to the verdict form completed by the jury.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/0 ... l-00096059

Now, you know that court filing by Kaplan you love to quote so much?  From page 3 of that filing;

The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”

As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance,...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .212.0.pdf

Even your precious judge Kaplan clearly states the jury verdict was that Trump did not rape Carroll. They were bound by New York state law.  You will need to ask Kaplan why he felt the need to make up his own definition of rape and lie about the jury verdict in his filing.
 

ConsRule » 15 Dec 2024, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 5:44 pm

Surely you don't honestly think a jury, even one in a civil trial, doesn't have to follow the law when it comes to their finding on the facts of the case.  They typically have a great deal of freedom in determining the award, though an outrageously high amount would probably be lowered on appeal.

Once again, here is a link to the verdict form completed by the jury.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/0 ... l-00096059

Now, you know that court filing by Kaplan you love to quote so much?  From page 3 of that filing;

The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”

As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance,...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .212.0.pdf

Even your precious judge Kaplan clearly states the jury verdict was that Trump did not rape Carroll. They were bound by New York state law.  You will need to ask Kaplan why he felt the need to make up his own definition of rape and lie about the jury verdict in his filing.

They typically have a great deal of freedom in determining the award, though an outrageously high amount would probably be lowered on appeal.

Exactly..

In this instance the jury awarded a far larger amount than is standard in cases of simple groping....triggering Team Grifty's petition. 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Dec 2024, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 3:34 pm

So in your make believe Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.

No...the plaintiff succeeded in convincing a jury "by the preponderance of the evidence" that Grifty digitally penetrated the victim.

They didn't have the option of disregarding Grifty's deposition...

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 5:52 pm

No...the plaintiff succeeded in convincing a jury "by the preponderance of the evidence" that Grifty digitally penetrated the victim.

They didn't have the option of disregarding Grifty's deposition...

What preponderance of evidence was that, Clarence?

Surely, you can name something, or we're left with the conclusion that you're an idiot.

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 5:48 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 5:48 pm

Exactly..

In this instance the jury awarded a far larger amount than is standard in cases of simple groping....triggering Team Grifty's petition.

The amount of the award is not my point.  The jury returned a verdict that is readily available.  They found, in accordance with New York Law, Trump DID NOT rape Carroll.

Besides, there was no reason to address rape in his filing.  There was no award related to rape and under NY law, examples of sexual assault included vaginal penetration with any object (referred to in the statutes at that time as "vaginal sex").  An award of $2,000,000 is not unreasonable.  Seems Kaplan opened himself for reversal by lying about the verdict.

*Huey » 15 Dec 2024, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 4:37 pm

That's how he rolls.

You're omitting a jury verdict.
 

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:03 pm

You're omitting a jury verdict.

Nope.  The jury conclusion is posted all over the thread

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:03 pm

You're omitting a jury verdict.

The jury verdict said no rape..

Christ
Are you this dumb?
 

ConsRule » 15 Dec 2024, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:02 pm

The amount of the award is not my point.  The jury returned a verdict that is readily available.  They found, in accordance with New York Law, Trump DID NOT rape Carroll.

Besides, there was no reason to address rape in his filing.  There was no award related to rape and under NY law, examples of sexual assault included vaginal penetration with any object (referred to in the statutes at that time as "vaginal sex").  An award of $2,000,000 is not unreasonable.  Seems Kaplan opened himself for reversal by lying about the verdict.

The amount of the award is not my point. 

Your "point" is irrelevant. 

The amount of the award was the reason for Team Grifty's petition.

AtticusFinch » 15 Dec 2024, 6:19 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:19 pm

The jury verdict said no rape..

Christ
Are you this dumb?

“Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”


Why do you insist I'm dumb, Hole?

RebelGator » 15 Dec 2024, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:01 pm

What preponderance of evidence was that, Clarence?

Surely, you can name something, or we're left with the conclusion that you're an idiot.

Why don't you make an effort to educate yourself?

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm

“Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Why do you insist I'm dumb, Hole?

Because ABC just settled for 15 mil because they said the same as you.

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 5:52 pm

No...the plaintiff succeeded in convincing a jury "by the preponderance of the evidence" that Grifty digitally penetrated the victim.

They didn't have the option of disregarding Grifty's deposition...

So in your make believe Magic Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape with zero evidence  is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.

 

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:28 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:28 pm

Why don't you make an effort to educate yourself?

So in your make believe Magic Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape with zero evidence  is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.

 

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm

“Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Why do you insist I'm dumb, Hole?

So in your make believe Magic Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape with zero evidence  is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.

 
 

Blackvegetable » 15 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm

Your "point" is irrelevant. 

The amount of the award was the reason for Team Grifty's petition.

So in your make believe Magic Fairy World...simply accusing someone else of rape with zero evidence  is all it takes to prove that you were raped by that person.