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HarperLee » 31 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm

Correct also by NY definition Trump raped E Jean Carroll 
Regardless of being charged with rape he committed a rape and it is correct to say he is a rapist.

At the time of the incident and trial, you are factually incorrect.  Under NY Penal law, until September 1, 2024. rape was limited to vaginal penetration with the penis.  Vaginal penetration with anything else was sexual assault.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... table-rape

"Prior to September 1, 2024, the New York Penal Law considered Rape a distinct crime from committing a Criminal Sexual Act. While the former was viewed as the vaginal penetration between the penis and vagina, regardless of the degree or depth of that penetration..."

https://www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog. ... finitions/

Why is it whiny *** liberals refuse to do any simple research?  Laws are what is contained in the code, not what you think they should be.
 

ConsRule » 01 Jan 2025, 6:09 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 6:09 am

At the time of the incident and trial, you are factually incorrect.  Under NY Penal law, until September 1, 2024. rape was limited to vaginal penetration with the penis.  Vaginal penetration with anything else was sexual assault.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... table-rape

"Prior to September 1, 2024, the New York Penal Law considered Rape a distinct crime from committing a Criminal Sexual Act. While the former was viewed as the vaginal penetration between the penis and vagina, regardless of the degree or depth of that penetration..."

https://www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog. ... finitions/

Why is it whiny *** liberals refuse to do any simple research?  Laws are what is contained in the code, not what you think they should be.

Still whining after all these years....

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am

Still whining after all these years....

You are still spewing cum out of your cumtrap.

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am

Still whining after all these years....

Stating fact isn't whining. But you're a liberal, you don't deal in fact.

ConsRule » 01 Jan 2025, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 8:17 am

Stating fact isn't whining. But you're a liberal, you don't deal in fact.

Are these your words?

Even though Trump's legal team used "grope", Kaplan could have focused on other examples of actions that would fall under the Penal Code definition of sexual abuse to justify him denying the motion.  

how about these?

 The odd part is, the appeal was about the judgement and, because they found Trump did not commit rape, none of the award was related to rape. Kaplan could have simply made that point and still denied the motion

These?

Why Kaplan filed is not relevant to our topic.

How about

The opinion of the judge is irrelevant when you have the actual jury verdict at your disposal.

The opinion has no legal authority.

Then there's 

The judge in the Trump case put his definition, which went against NY law at the time of the offense and his comment, did so as an opinion in an news article.

Your record is dismal, Pilgrim.
 

TRUMP WAS NOT CONVICTED OF RAPE

Blackvegetable » 31 Dec 2024, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 9:10 am

It has NEVER been about what the jury DIDN'T find....as you have repeatedly been told.

Moron,

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"The jury implicitly found  that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers."

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .176.1.pdf

And all you know about is ideas life isn't self evident time left adapting in space today, socially ignoring evolving as equally timed apart here since your body arrived a fertilized cell constantly changing form into the character role you play daily here in this atmosphere, same way any biological form ever occupying time in this atmosphere so far in their specific time frame of their "relative" ancestral position now.

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 8:35 am

Are these your words?

how about these?

These?

How about

Then there's 

Your record is dismal, Pilgrim.

Yes. And my comments are as follows;

I stand by the post that generated line 1...stating fact is not whining.  Since you won't accept the finding of fact by the jury (looking at their actual jury verdict form submitted to Kaplan), I stand by the second part, you don't deal in fact.

The second post of mine that generated line 3 above was that Kaplan chose to focus on an accusation the trial jury found did not happen rather than one they found did happen. His filing was the ruling denying the appeal of the size of the award.  There are many examples of sexual assault, other than simple groping, he could have used to justify the size.  He CHOSE to redifine the NY Penal Law definition of rape to fit...in my opinion...his agenda rather that simply use existing law.  You will have to ask Kaplan why he chose that route.

My post that generated your third comment (These?) is related to the one above.  Since there was no award related to the accusation of rape, that is even more reason for Kaplan to focus on the part of the verdict and award that was relevant and not things that, according to the trial jury, did not happen.

My post that "Why Kaplan filed is not relevant to our topic."  and "The opinion of the judge is irrelevant when you have the actual jury verdict at your disposal." are correct because the point I was making was the jury verdict...and we have their actual verdict form. Since the filing Kaplan made (that you love quoting snippets from) was NOT a filing on the accusations made by Carroll but rather a ruling on the award appeal.  It does not change the finding of fact made by the jury...no matter how much you and (apparently) Kaplan want.

The last comment was made after you first pointed to Kaplan using a definition of rape other than NY Law.  You did so in a new article.  It wasn't till later that you provided a link to the actual filing.

Before you jump to one of your primary tools and claim I am lying, all the comments I made were my opinion.  When I post a comment that is not mine, I provide a reference or link.  By definition, my opinion cannot be a lie.

No...carry on with living in your liberal fantasy world.  I choose to no longer play your whiny *** liberal game.

 
 

Cannonpointer » 31 Dec 2024, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 6:06 pm

I thought PUTIN was the boss of him.

Homosexuals sure change their minds a lot.

fickle at best...
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 7:37 am

Still whining after all these years....

^^^ and does it well...
 

HarperLee » 31 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 6:25 pm

Correct also by NY definition Trump raped E Jean Carroll 
Regardless of being charged with rape he committed a rape and it is correct to say he is a rapist.

Nope.  

Blackvegetable » 31 Dec 2024, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 6:47 pm

Why do you persist in offering your opinion about something of which you have determined to remain ignorant?

I didn’t off an opinion.  I offered the jury verdict forum where the answer to #1 was no.  You can not dispute what the jury wrote on that forum.

HarperLee » 30 Dec 2024, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Dec 2024, 9:10 pm

         ​​​​​​  ​
         

was there any doubt?
         

A jury handed down the award after it found Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer.

         

   
LIABLE FOR HER SEXUAL FANTASIES OF BEING RAPED BY HIM
           
NO EVIDENCE, NO DNA 
KANGAROO COURT VERDICT

HarperLee » 31 Dec 2024, 4:41 am » wrote: ↑

31 Dec 2024, 4:41 am

Imagine...

She claims she was raped but couldn't recall when

BECAUSE IT WAS A FANTASY SHE HAD
NO EVIDENCE OR DNA
 
 

*Huey » 01 Jan 2025, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 10:45 am

I didn’t off an opinion.  I offered the jury verdict forum where the answer to #1 was no.  You can not dispute what the jury wrote on that forum.

But it isn't relevant to the question at hand, as made clear in the document you take such pride in not reading.
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 12:46 pm

But it isn't relevant to the question at hand, as made clear in the document you take such pride in not reading.

Sure it is.  My work with this until I get bored again.

*Huey » 01 Jan 2025, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 12:49 pm

Sure it is.  My work with this until I get bored again.

Inform yourself first..

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .212.0.pdf

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 1:05 pm

Inform yourself first..

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .212.0.pdf

From Gateway Pundit.....
For some strange reason – this news DID NOT make any headlines in the mainstream Trump-hating media.E. Jean Carroll accused several men of sexual assault including a babysitter’s boyfriend. a dentist, a camp counselor, a college date, a boss, and Les Moonves from CBS – and, of course, Donald Trump.
She couldn’t recall the date, month, season, or year the incident happened
She never told anyone in the media about it, despite being publicly obsessed with her own sexuality
The dress she claims to have been wearing didn’t exist at the time
Her description of the dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman was inaccurate, making her sequence of events impossible
Her lawsuit was bankrolled by Jeffrey Epstein pal and Democrat (and Nikki Haley) mega-donor Reid Hoffman
Democrats created a law (The Adult Survivors Act in 2022) to enable her lawsuit to proceed
Her accusation is the exact plotline of an episode of Law & Order (one of her “favorite shows”)
Trump’s Apprentice was also one of her favorite shows
She has a history of falsely accusing men of rape, including Les Moonves
She told Anderson Cooper, “most people think of rape as being sexy. Think of the fantasies.”
She made a career promoting promiscuity, even writing glowingly of sexual assault and naming her cat Vagina
Carroll’s interviews on TV, social media posts, and inconsistent information concerning her allegations should have been enough to throw out any case, but not with Judge Kaplan. None of her "witnesses" witnessed the alleged sexual assau
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 01 Jan 2025, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 1:40 pm

From Gateway Pundit.....
For some strange reason – this news DID NOT make any headlines in the mainstream Trump-hating media.E. Jean Carroll accused several men of sexual assault including a babysitter’s boyfriend. a dentist, a camp counselor, a college date, a boss, and Les Moonves from CBS – and, of course, Donald Trump.
She couldn’t recall the date, month, season, or year the incident happened
She never told anyone in the media about it, despite being publicly obsessed with her own sexuality
The dress she claims to have been wearing didn’t exist at the time
Her description of the dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman was inaccurate, making her sequence of events impossible
Her lawsuit was bankrolled by Jeffrey Epstein pal and Democrat (and Nikki Haley) mega-donor Reid Hoffman
Democrats created a law (The Adult Survivors Act in 2022) to enable her lawsuit to proceed
Her accusation is the exact plotline of an episode of Law & Order (one of her “favorite shows”)
Trump’s Apprentice was also one of her favorite shows
She has a history of falsely accusing men of rape, including Les Moonves
She told Anderson Cooper, “most people think of rape as being sexy. Think of the fantasies.”
She made a career promoting promiscuity, even writing glowingly of sexual assault and naming her cat Vagina
Carroll’s interviews on TV, social media posts, and inconsistent information concerning her allegations should have been enough to throw out any case, but not with Judge Kaplan. None of her "witnesses" witnessed the alleged sexual assau

Try the trial record instead.
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jan 2025, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 2:58 pm

Try the trial record instead.

Trump was NOT convicted of rape.