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The first animal cloning was Dolly the sheep in 1996.  That was 29 years ago.  Since then, successful clonings include cows, pigs, horses, cats, dogs, goats and rabbits.  Its actually somewhat common to clone prized horses and other animals.

Now, does anyone really think human clones are not a reality? 


The real question is whether cloned humans have souls. I think they do.

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am

The first animal cloning was Dolly the sheep in 1996.  That was 29 years ago.  Since then, successful clonings include cows, pigs, horses, cats, dogs, goats and rabbits.  Its actually somewhat common to clone prized horses and other animals.

Now, does anyone really think human clones are not a reality? 


The real question is whether cloned humans have souls. I think they do.

 Samuel H. Wood
Samuel H. Wood is a scientist and fertility specialist. In 2008, he became the first man to clone himself, donating his own DNA via somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) to produce mature human embryos that were his clones.
 

Majik » 21 Jan 2025, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:55 am

 Samuel H. Wood
Samuel H. Wood is a scientist and fertility specialist. In 2008, he became the first man to clone himself, donating his own DNA via somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) to produce mature human embryos that were his clones.

then he aborted the 5 embryos 

Mrkelly » 21 Jan 2025, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 11:06 am

then he aborted the 5 embryos

Not relevant to whether humans can be cloned ....
He proved they can be ....and quite easily ....
and now it would be a cake walk......
 

Majik » 21 Jan 2025, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 11:09 am

Not relevant to whether humans can be cloned ....
He proved they can be ....and quite easily ....
and now it would be a cake walk......

we don’t know that

they were aborted 

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am

The first animal cloning was Dolly the sheep in 1996.  That was 29 years ago.  Since then, successful clonings include cows, pigs, horses, cats, dogs, goats and rabbits.  Its actually somewhat common to clone prized horses and other animals.

Now, does anyone really think human clones are not a reality? 


The real question is whether cloned humans have souls. I think they do.

the results of cloning will end up the same as natural process because life is eternally separated by the moment here and each clone has to adapt to its personal time eternally separated now.

All cloning accomplishes is over population faster. Remember Octo mom?

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am

The real question is whether cloned humans have souls. I think they do.

Hard to say if they have would have souls. That belongs to God's jurisdiction. 

Majik » 21 Jan 2025, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:55 am

 Samuel H. Wood
Samuel H. Wood is a scientist and fertility specialist. In 2008, he became the first man to clone himself, donating his own DNA via somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) to produce mature human embryos that were his clones.

I checked this out.  It doesn't appear that Wood has ever reported a successful human cloning.  Now, that doesn't mean he hasn't tried; just that I can't find any report of him succeeding.
 

Vegas » 21 Jan 2025, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 12:58 pm

Hard to say if they have would have souls. That belongs to God's jurisdiction.

Let's hope they do have souls.  Otherwise, the alternative is they would be the spawn of something very evil.
 

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 10:52 am

The first animal cloning was Dolly the sheep in 1996.  That was 29 years ago.  Since then, successful clonings include cows, pigs, horses, cats, dogs, goats and rabbits.  Its actually somewhat common to clone prized horses and other animals.

Now, does anyone really think human clones are not a reality? 


The real question is whether cloned humans have souls. I think they do.

naturally conceived or artificially inseminated every reproduction in this atmosphere is a sole position of its generation gap, ancestral lineage, species, life in this atmosphere so far..

seconds, minutes, hours, 7 days, 52 weeks are all intellectual means to measuring how many days each ancestor lived birth to dead. conceived to birth didn't count because you shouldn't count your eggs until they hatch to know how many chickens came out of the incubator.

Hope nobody wasn't drinking something reading this.

Vegas » 21 Jan 2025, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 12:58 pm

Hard to say if they have would have souls. That belongs to God's jurisdiction. 

There is nothing supernatural about natural timing of things evolving in plain sight. Just interpretations done by those misleading 5 basic ancestries' 5 generation gaps daily, 24/7, 52 weeks a year cradle to grave.

Corruption never sleeps but ancestors need to rest 25% a day.

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 2:34 pm

I checked this out.  It doesn't appear that Wood has ever reported a successful human cloning.  Now, that doesn't mean he hasn't tried; just that I can't find any report of him succeeding.

An American scientist has created a cloned embryo from his own skin cells, becoming the first person to create an exact copy of their genetic make-up.Samuel Wood, a researcher at Stemagen Corporation in La Jolla, California, plucked cells from his skin and injected them into donated eggs that had been treated to remove their own genetic material.The eggs developed into very early stage embryos that were genetically identical to the scientist's own DNA.The research is a step towards scientists' goal of creating supplies of embryonic stem cells genetically matched to patients, which could potentially be used to regenerate diseased or damaged tissues without the risk of immune rejection.It is not the first time human cloned embryos have been created. In 2005, scientists led by Miodrag Stojkovic at Newcastle University used embryonic stem cells to produce a cloned embryo. It survived for only a few days and no stem cells were extracted from it.The Stemagen team did not retrieve stem cells from their clones either, leading some scientists to question the importance of the work. Eggs were taken from women aged 20 to 24 and used within two hours, according to a report in the journal Stem Cells. Dr Stojkovic, a co-editor of the journal, said: "This is a key advance in the development of patient-specific stem cell lines for therapeutic purposes."Dr Stephen Minger, a stem cell researcher at King's College London, said: "Disappointingly, the researchers did not go on to do the next step: to create embryonic stem cell lines from cloned embryos. The community is waiting with bated breath to see if anyone can do both steps. Having access to specific stem cell lines would allow us to research major diseases such as Parkinson's and spinal muscular atrophy."

Continued at.....

https://www.theguardian.com/science/200 ... alresearch

 Cloned Human Embryo Created From Skin Cells

Date:January22
2008
Source:Stemagen
Summary:Stemagen, a privately held embryonic stem cell research company, announced it has become the first in the world to create a cloned human embryo using somatic cell nuclear transfer. Embryonic stem cells hold great promise for developing treatments for many degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and Muscular Dystrophy.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 092439.htm
 

Majik » 21 Jan 2025, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 11:09 am

Not relevant to whether humans can be cloned ....
He proved they can be ....and quite easily ....
and now it would be a cake walk......
 

They became zygotes or embryos but not fetuses. so much evolving happens after a fertilized cell appears. Nothing new happens until one does. 80% major birth defects if left to go full term.

Akin to crack and drug babies. karma for human intellect thinking it can out do natural perpetual motion.

Skans » 21 Jan 2025, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2025, 2:35 pm

Let's hope they do have souls.  Otherwise, the alternative is they would be the spawn of something very evil.

Or that souls are just myths to make us feel better.

Deezer Shoove » 22 Jan 2025, 12:24 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 12:24 am

Or that souls are just myths to make us feel better.

Do I detect some instinctive awareness in your social state of mind where your sole brain is navigating space honestly?

31stArrival » 22 Jan 2025, 7:01 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 7:01 am

Do I detect some instinctive awareness in your social state of mind where your sole brain is navigating space honestly?

Go **** yourself, fathead.
Keep me out of your psychosis.

Deezer Shoove » 22 Jan 2025, 8:41 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 8:41 am

Go **** yourself, fathead.
Keep me out of your psychosis.

navigating space from a personal time alive isn't a pyschosis. it is survival in the time I get to live now and no other space beyond the moment here. this relative time 7 day week is to be able to plan out my future never staying same details twice each heartbeat added so far living in series parallel positions with the rest of the 8.2 billion people alive today.

I know how to balance being part of eternity changing results in plain sight, so far. All you do is attempt to tilt the scales to your time living believing your collective we are smarter than any individual brain alive.

Oops, that myth is busted.

Those 5 vertical axses in my avatar shows how corruption perpeptualy moves into each gneration gap added to the species daily.

31stArrival » 22 Jan 2025, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 8:43 am

navigating space from a personal time alive isn't a pyschosis. it is survival in the time I get to live now and no other space beyond the moment here.

Being too afraid to call it "living your life" sure seems like a phobia/psychosis.

You aren't "navigating" ****, Timothy Bleary. 

Deezer Shoove » 22 Jan 2025, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 8:54 am

Being too afraid to call it "living your life" sure seems like a phobia/psychosis.

You aren't "navigating" ****, Timothy Bleary. 

My time alive has lasted 74 revolutions around the star I was never same total sum results twice still evolving with each heartbeat added and even when my heart stops, my body reverses the process started by my fertilized cell. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust poetry.

5 steps to eternal corruption changing generation gaps added one great great grandchild at a time.

1. personally conceived
2. personal choices combined cradle to grave
3. public consensus daily
4. Political correctness ancestrally
5. perpetual corruption by rule of law sustaining racism among people of character when actually limited to eternally separated per heartbeat now.

Behold self evident time equally here.

DeezerShoove » 22 Jan 2025, 12:24 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 12:24 am

Or that souls are just myths to make us feel better.

Look, that's possible.  I can't say with certainty that you have a soul and it goes somewhere after you die. I have not experienced anything like that and I have no proof of it.  However, watch some accounts of near death experiences, I have, and it may change your mind.