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Deezer Shoove » 23 Jan 2025, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 7:59 am

You are hung up on man's concept of measuring time.
Also, people argue with other people. Very common, ya know.
You argue with yourself, Underdose.

Exactly.

social consensus now isn't eternity wants me hanged as an example of what happens with individuals that don't comply to the will of malcontents defining life beyond how it evolves now.

it is Biblical what people do to their own species.

31stArrival » 23 Jan 2025, 8:06 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 8:06 am

Exactly.

social consensus now isn't eternity wants me hanged as an example of what happens with individuals that don't comply to the will of malcontents defining life beyond how it evolves now.

it is Biblical what people do to their own species.

Unhang yourself. Nobody's going to do it for you, Needy.

Deezer Shoove » 23 Jan 2025, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 8:15 am

Unhang yourself. Nobody's going to do it for you, Needy.

Semanitcs with metaphors again. Your reality is imploding while your ancestral position is the same evolving its been ignoring now is eternity when it actual has been while you played God's chosen people to inherit the earth tomorrow, 7 days a week intellectual time defining tomorrow the 12 hours of rotation between international dateline and Greenwich noon, as 90 degrees longitude is the dawn event 24/7 evolving never exceeds the moment here.

without ever having to meet you from now on, I **** your methods up deceiving people cradle to grave.

DeezerShoove » 22 Jan 2025, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2025, 8:58 pm

Are you willfully missing the point?

No, not at all.  My point was that because I wasn't at the end of my life, but still experiencing one element of what has been reported, I didn't have anything close to a NDE - nothing spiritual about it at all. My other point was that when many people report their own experiences, and some of those experiences have rather similar parts to them, that is something I just can't ignore.
 

31stArrival » 23 Jan 2025, 8:23 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 8:23 am

Semanitcs with metaphors again. Your reality is imploding while your ancestral position is the same evolving its been ignoring now is eternity when it actual has been while you played God's chosen people to inherit the earth tomorrow, 7 days a week intellectual time defining tomorrow the 12 hours of rotation between international dateline and Greenwich noon, as 90 degrees longitude is the dawn event 24/7 evolving never exceeds the moment here.

without ever having to meet you from now on, I **** your methods up deceiving people cradle to grave.

OCD is a stinky cologne. Why do you find it necessary to "win" here?

It's ok by me if you want to appear to be on a higher roost in this coop. I don't care.
The only trouble with your way is you want to also appear to be above such pettiness.
In the end, you're as petty as they come... Welcome to society, lowly human.

Skans » 23 Jan 2025, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:00 am

No, not at all.  My point was that because I wasn't at the end of my life, but still experiencing one element of what has been reported, I didn't have anything close to a NDE - nothing spiritual about it at all. My other point was that when many people report their own experiences, and some of those experiences have rather similar parts to them, that is something I just can't ignore.

Exactly. The human body reacts to stress in a similar way from one body to the next.
Reflexes, adrenalin, etc. all spike or wane and can produce a similar experience.
Nothing magical about "near death" at all. Not surprising people recall common reactions.

I can't ignore coincidental events either. A mammal shuts down, but recovers just in time.
Close call, lucky, second chance, whatever. Life-changing simply because...

Nothing religious about any of that from my point of view. Revises personal philosophy about life, perhaps.

DeezerShoove » 23 Jan 2025, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:15 am

Exactly. The human body reacts to stress in a similar way from one body to the next.
Reflexes, adrenalin, etc. all spike or wane and can produce a similar experience.
Nothing magical about "near death" at all. Not surprising people recall common reactions.

I can't ignore coincidental events either. A mammal shuts down, but recovers just in time.
Close call, lucky, second chance, whatever. Life-changing simply because...

Nothing religious about any of that from my point of view. Revises personal philosophy about life, perhaps.

The accounts of meeting Angels, God, Jesus, and people they know who are helping them through this are very detailed, often non-denominational, and usually have very similar aspects, some of which are provable but can't be explained. 

I tend to be a pretty practical and even skeptical person, and not one to just say something is "truth" because the Bible says so.  But, IMHO, these shared experiences are worth listening to, and not just dismissing as something purely physiological.  Surely, I could be wrong in thinking there is something "more" to this, but I also think it would be wrong to categorically dismiss all of these accounts.
 
 

DeezerShoove » 23 Jan 2025, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:15 am

Exactly. The human body reacts to stress in a similar way from one body to the next.
Reflexes, adrenalin, etc. all spike or wane and can produce a similar experience.
Nothing magical about "near death" at all. Not surprising people recall common reactions.

I can't ignore coincidental events either. A mammal shuts down, but recovers just in time.
Close call, lucky, second chance, whatever. Life-changing simply because...

Nothing religious about any of that from my point of view. Revises personal philosophy about life, perhaps.

Do you believe an explosion was the cause of so many perfect things falling exactly in place? I'm not very religious, not that it means anything in regards to creation.....but like a crossword puzzle, there's too many pieces fitting together that would preclude a haphazard bang starting it all.

RebelGator » 23 Jan 2025, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:24 am

Do you believe an explosion was the cause of so many perfect things falling exactly in place? I'm not very religious, not that it means anything in regards to creation.....but like a crossword puzzle, there's too many pieces fitting together that would preclude a haphazard bang starting it all.

Deezer says that he believes in God, the Creator.  He just doesn't believe in souls, or a realm where our consciousness goes after done with our lives.
 

Skans » 23 Jan 2025, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:29 am

Deezer says that he believes in God, the Creator.  He just doesn't believe in souls, or a realm where our consciousness goes after done with our lives.

What kind of God would create a man without a soul?

RebelGator » 23 Jan 2025, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:33 am

What kind of God would create a man without a soul?
 

Not that I really have the ability to answer this, but I'll give it a whirl.

The real question is: can a person believe that a divine or far-advanced being could create the Universe, knowing that it would eventually give rise to intelligent life, but stay "hands-off" in interfering with the course of that Universe or the life it contains?  I think this is approximately what @Deezer Shoove  believes (but he can speak for himself).  In such a creation, it could lead to life which doesn't have souls, or at least in this thought experiment it is possible.

In other words, intelligent design doesn't necessarily lead to souls.  The two can be mutually exclusive. In that line of thinking, Humans create artificial "realms" all the time and call them video games. Interject generative AI in those "games" and we might end up creating a universe that is completely soulless.

Skans » 23 Jan 2025, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:40 am

Not that I really have the ability to answer this, but I'll give it a whirl.

The real question is: can a person believe that a divine or far-advanced being could create the Universe, knowing that it would eventually give rise to intelligent life, but stay "hands-off" in interfering with the course of that Universe or the life it contains?  I think this is approximately what @Deezer Shoove  believes (but he can speak for himself).  In such a creation, it could lead to life which doesn't have souls, or at least in this thought experiment it is possible.

In other words, intelligent design doesn't necessarily lead to souls.  The two can be mutually exclusive. In that line of thinking, Humans create artificial "realms" all the time and call them video games. Interject generative AI in those "games" and we might end up creating a universe that is completely soulless.

I believe in some incomprehensible power, energy, entity that causes the universe to "start". That concept even of itself is unfathomable. I hate to use the word "create" because I don't even know if that applies.
Man's fear of the unknown, coupled with being self-aware, brought about a "God Myth" to which we connect ourselves with by having a soul. Whatever that actually means... beats me.
Are there others out there? Accidents, experiments, creations in God's image? So far, we have absolutely no idea.

Your beliefs could be as right on mark as mine. We don't know. Maybe never will.
I don't require a soul the be a self-aware animal with all the doubts and unanswerable questions.
The bible (along with other such tomes) has a lot of good things to guide a decent life.
The Golden Rule is its punchline or moral of the story. That's enough for me.

The movie "Pi" gets into a crossover of philosophy, religion, mathematics.
I find that stuff fascinating. We humans keep scratching at it but the answers never quite pop up.
Ancient Aliens, megaliths of incredible size, evolution, etc. 

What's it all about?  
 

Deezer Shoove » 23 Jan 2025, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jan 2025, 9:04 am

OCD is a stinky cologne. Why do you find it necessary to "win" here?

It's ok by me if you want to appear to be on a higher roost in this coop. I don't care.
The only trouble with your way is you want to also appear to be above such pettiness.
In the end, you're as petty as they come... Welcome to society, lowly human.

When I am being stereotyped by a typecast personality that doesn't ever want to understand the natural timing of occupying space part of the eternal processing of adapting in plain sight daily really gets my brain diving into their FACTUALLY organzied reasonable doubt used throughout history that corrupted every generation gap of my previous generations before I was conceived and the chain of commands working the same methods daily after my birth.

there is no larger picture in life than understanding how one is specifically alive every heartbeat experienced conceived to grave now here adapting in the same time regardless 16 dead great great grandparnets, the middle class 14 specific lifetimes parenting upto the arrival of the 16's great great grandchildren conceived on at a time with the possibilities of having 4 more generations to the point after death they became 1 of 16 dead great great grandparents.

Middle class ancestry has 14 specific lifetimes adding the 31st parallel of numbers in the 5th generation after their birth. Self evident evolving no theory or theology changes the outcomes daily.

I am that one male that debunked humanity corrupting ancestries last 7,000 years from within the species each generation gap so far. I don't have to brag about exlaining the natural process, I just have to keep explaining the natural process where instinctive brains that question every reality catch on to what I ahve been saying last 18 years.

Seems that silent majority agree about not taking sides of people denying life in plain sight.

Oh the moral of my time alive, social minds are cloned from natural brains left alive today with factual possibilities punishing anyone doubting reality of any alternate interpretation now isn't eternity. Defamation of charcter is a prime clue how humanity corrupts every generation gap alive.