$1.9bn has tampon tim furiously handwringing, citing confusion and chaos...

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By ROG62
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*Beekeeper » 29 Jan 2025, 2:50 pm » wrote: Now, PROVE IT, liar sack of ****!!

GO!!

(because it never happened!!)
You must have a degree in stupid. 

Why not just do a hoogle before you run your mouth?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... f66550e7be
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ng-freeze/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-a ... =118229342

Trump's abuse of authority was SO egregious that a federal judge has signaled he might sign a restraining order in spite of the fact that Trump reversed course. 
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*Beekeeper » 29 Jan 2025, 2:50 pm » wrote: What law is that, DICKBREATH???

GO!!!

YOU make a claim, back it up or it's a **** LIE!!
Constitutional law - separation of powers.

The congress - not the president - is in charge of appropriations. 

Google, "U.S. Constitution."
 
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Cannonpointer » 29 Jan 2025, 7:24 pm » wrote: I am not a tampon tim fan, but I am not a big government guy, either. And seizing allocated state funds is classic big government.

It is bad enough that federal funds all originate witht he states, but only find their way BACK to the states with strings attached. To withhold them from the states altogether - and without lessening any of the already considerable burdens the states face, often mandated by activist federal courts, is the opposite of respecting democratic institutions. 

The closer to the people power is expressed, the more democratic that expression of power. The expression f power by the federal government is the very farthest - and therefore the least democratic - expression of power within the US. And make no mistake: dollars are power. Taking them away is taking away power. From the states and the people. 

I do not believe that Trump has the authority to freeze funds allocated by Congress back to the states, and I believe he will lose on this issue in court. 

Now, that's a first-blush take, based on your broad-strokes broadside. I've not heard about this until your OP. But it is a principle-based take. I don't care WHO the president is, and WHICH asshole governor is crying about it, I don't think that **** is right. 

Not saying it isn't funny. Not saying I didn't get a chuckle. Just saying it ain't right.
he's already rescinded...however, the fact remains the state never once looked backed thinking this is not a permanent thing...they keep spending like the spigot will never run dry or even falter..

Trump's good at shooting from the hip as a business man, however in gubment, there's channels he'll need to abide to...hopefully he's a quick Lerner...
 
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Blackvegetable » 29 Jan 2025, 3:29 pm » wrote: Fondler,

You don't have the essentials to discuss matters of the law.
I'm pretty sure he disagrees. 

In his view, it only takes a mouth. 

The louder, the more authoritative. 
 
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Fuelman » 29 Jan 2025, 4:05 pm » wrote: Isn't this what Trump knew would happen? End up in court.

You can't change the current system until it grinds on up to the Supreme Court.
But you don't change it by losing - which is why Trump backed down. 
 
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ROG62 » 29 Jan 2025, 7:19 pm » wrote: so should blowing $25bn...right, RN?
Returning the people's money to them is the very opposite of blowing it. 

Giving it to israel is blowing it - which is what you would be more sanguine with. 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

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ROG62 » 29 Jan 2025, 7:32 pm » wrote: he's already rescinded...however, the fact remains the state never once looked backed thinking this is not a permanent thing...they keep spending like the spigot will never run dry or even falter..

Trump's good at shooting from the hip as a business man, however in gubment, there's channels he'll need to abide to...hopefully he's a quick Lerner...

The feds are somewhat at fault for what you write in the first paragraph. Use it or lose it grant funding keeps the state always ratcheting up the amount. Second, states have more bureaucratic hurdles to clear if they want to fund something internally whereas if you get a grant.. less work and then your residents do not complain about higher taxes and so on. 
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Cannonpointer » 29 Jan 2025, 7:32 pm » wrote: Constitutional law - separation of powers.

The congress - not the president - is in charge of appropriations. 

Google, "U.S. Constitution."

Yes, Congress, specifically the House, has the power to appropriate money.

The ADMINISTRATION is responsible for distribution. ALSO in the Constitution is the ability for the President to use discretionary power to determine if the appropriations are being spent according to the directive of Congress and NOT be used in an illegal or otherwise bad way that doesn't protect the funds of government- ie- are they getting what they asked for, is there corruption involved, etc. 

And THIS is what Trump has done- cut off the funds UNTIL proper audits are done BEFORE the handouts are made!! PERFECTLY within the power of the President.
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Cannonpointer » 29 Jan 2025, 7:35 pm » wrote: I'm pretty sure he disagrees. 

In his view, it only takes a mouth. 

The louder, the more authoritative.
Or a record of petty crimes...

Soliciting, Indecent Exposure...
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ROG62 » 29 Jan 2025, 7:32 pm » wrote: he's already rescinded...however, the fact remains the state never once looked backed thinking this is not a permanent thing...they keep spending like the spigot will never run dry or even falter..

Trump's good at shooting from the hip as a business man, however in gubment, there's channels he'll need to abide to...hopefully he's a quick Lerner...
The tax code in this country is precisely upside down. 

The federal government should have the LEAST of your tax dollars - not the most; and it should have the LEAST effect on your daily life. 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

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ROG62 » 29 Jan 2025, 7:19 pm » wrote: so should blowing $25bn...right, RN?
Not even you know what you're yapping about.
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Cannonpointer » 29 Jan 2025, 7:37 pm » wrote: Returning the people's money to them is the very opposite of blowing it. 

Giving it to israel is blowing it - which is what you would be more sanguine with.
democrats and tampon tim have had the trifecta in MN since 2022 pissing away $22bn state surplus with a 2026 projected $5bn shortfall for 2026-2028 budget...that's what I call"blowing it"...
 
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impartialobserver » 29 Jan 2025, 7:39 pm » wrote: The feds are somewhat at fault for what you write in the first paragraph. Use it or lose it grant funding keeps the state always ratcheting up the amount. Second, states have more bureaucratic hurdles to clear if they want to fund something internally whereas if you get a grant.. less work and then your residents do not complain about higher taxes and so on.
agree...the fed is just as bad...
 
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Cannonpointer » 29 Jan 2025, 7:30 pm » wrote: You must have a degree in stupid. 

Why not just do a hoogle before you run your mouth?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... f66550e7be
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ng-freeze/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-a ... =118229342

Trump's abuse of authority was SO egregious that a federal judge has signaled he might sign a restraining order in spite of the fact that Trump reversed course.

The OMB directive was witrhdrawn NOT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER, *******!!

So why don't YOU hoogle it before you open that **** HOLE of yours!!!
=15pxThe Office of Management and Budget has rescinded its call for a pause on payments for federal grants and other programs=15px, the White House announced on Wednesday. But the administration said that only the original memo calling for the freeze had been rescinded — not its effort to review federal spending.
White House response adds to confusion on federal funding freeze : NPR
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Blackvegetable » 29 Jan 2025, 3:29 pm » wrote: Fondler,

You don't have the essentials to discuss matters of the law.

WHAT LAW are you referring there DICKFACE??

POST IT OR SHUT THE **** UP AND TAKE THAT CURB STOMPING LIKE THE ****** YOU ARE!!

 
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Sumela » 29 Jan 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: Google it you old *** **** Image

I did. The EO was NOT rescinded.

White House response adds to confusion on federal funding freeze : NPR
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When it comes to govt spending.. .lets stop with the right vs. wrong of it for just a second

Here is why it is inefficient. If you are a private business and you need more revenue. You produce more, get more funding, etc. If you need to cut staffing then there is no law in place usually stopping you from doing it. You might pay UI benefits but nothing stops you in absolute fashion. In a private business.. more revenue is a proxy for activity, production, etc. Government.. more revenue is not the same.

also, just because you work harder and smarter does not equal a pay raise in government. Your production does not translate to a bottom line. You are salaried and so get paid exactly the same whether you are killing it or doing nothing. This is one of the many reasons that less spending on govt is a good thing.
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*Beekeeper » 29 Jan 2025, 7:42 pm » wrote: Yes, Congress, specifically the House, has the power to appropriate money.

The ADMINISTRATION is responsible for distribution. ALSO in the Constitution is the ability for the President to use discretionary power to determine if the appropriations are being spent according to the directive of Congress and NOT be used in an illegal or otherwise bad way that doesn't protect the funds of government- ie- are they getting what they asked for, is there corruption involved, etc. 
I'm not seeing anything in this language about a freeze by fiat, or a whim-based withholding of appropriated funds.

The authority to hold accountable any who violate the conditions of allocated funds and the withholding of funds with no such finding are entirely separate things.
*Beekeeper » 29 Jan 2025, 7:42 pm » wrote: And THIS is what Trump has done- cut off the funds UNTIL proper audits are done BEFORE the handouts are made!! PERFECTLY within the power of the President.
And this is what he has no authority to do. There are fifty states. All fifty have a right to allocated funds. Withholding such funds EVEN IF FRAUD IS ALLEGED is walking on very thin ice. Withholding them on a whim is leaping headlong into even thinner ice.

Which is why Trump backed down. He knew he would lose. Because his actions were outside the scope of his authority.

Did you know that his powers are actually enumerated?
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*Beekeeper » 29 Jan 2025, 7:46 pm » wrote: WHAT LAW are you referring there DICKFACE??

POST IT OR SHUT THE **** UP AND TAKE THAT CURB STOMPING LIKE THE ****** YOU ARE!!
Fondler,

Catch up.
 
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