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Vegas » 06 Feb 2025, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

06 Feb 2025, 10:50 am

Trump doesn't want them to come back, because they will want to enter all of his properties he will be building there.

trump working wiyh net'nahu
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CAIRO (AP) — Israel says it has begun preparations for the departure of Palestinians from Gaza despite international rejection of President Donald Trump’s plan to empty the territory of its population. Egypt has launched a diplomatic blitz behind the scenes against the proposal, warning it would put its peace deal with Israel at risk, officials said.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Feb 2025, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 9:19 am

I wonder what the odds are that you aren't telling the truth here...?

This is what Trump ACTUALLY SAID word for word....https://apnews.com/article/trump-rubio- ... 7962546575
Trump: “I hope we can do something where they wouldn’t want to go back.”“If we can get a beautiful area to resettle people, permanently, in nice homes where they can be happy and not be shot and not be killed and not be knifed to death like what’s happening in Gaza.”"

Obviously Trump  proposes a hypothetical situation [he used the phrase "I hope we can do something"] for the Palestinians that would give them an option to live in a nice  area with nice homes.
I have no idea where such a nice place exists that is  free for the asking...but  that's besides the point  for why I am responding to your thread..
You like to present yourself as some sort of Bible thumping moral judge...but you are actually a habitual liar.
I knew before I clicked on this thread that the chances were very good that I would catch you lying once again.    

the nice homes won't be in gaza which he wants to turn into a rivera with expensive (trump) hotels. where nice but economical homes would do just fine, instead he wants to turn gaza into a resort town for profits for himself. instead of insisting israel helping gaza he is taking advantage of the situation,
 

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 9:29 am

the nice homes won't be in gaza which he wants to turn into a rivera with expensive (trump) hotels. where nice but economical homes would do just fine, instead he wants to turn gaza into a resort town for profits for himself. instead of insisting israel helping gaza he is taking advantage of the situation,

I wonder what the odds are that you aren't telling the truth here...?

This is what Trump ACTUALLY SAID word for word....https://apnews.com/article/trump-rubio- ... 7962546575
Trump: “I hope we can do something where they wouldn’t want to go back.”“If we can get a beautiful area to resettle people, permanently, in nice homes where they can be happy and not be shot and not be killed and not be knifed to death like what’s happening in Gaza.”"

Obviously Trump  proposes a hypothetical situation [he used the phrase "I hope we can do something"] for the Palestinians that would give them an option to live in a nice  area with nice homes.
I have no idea where such a nice place exists that is  free for the asking...but  that's besides the point  for why I am responding to your thread..
You like to present yourself as some sort of Bible thumping moral judge...but you are actually a habitual liar.
I knew before I clicked on this thread that the chances were very good that I would catch you lying once again.    

jerra b » 07 Feb 2025, 9:29 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 9:29 am

the nice homes won't be in gaza which he wants to turn into a rivera with expensive (trump) hotels. where nice but economical homes would do just fine, instead he wants to turn gaza into a resort town for profits for himself. instead of insisting israel helping gaza he is taking advantage of the situation,
 

You really cannot navigate space beyond your own social consensus ideas of how living should evolve intellectually rather than naturally timed apart now.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 9:23 am

trump working wiyh net'nahu
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CAIRO (AP) — Israel says it has begun preparations for the departure of Palestinians from Gaza despite international rejection of President Donald Trump’s plan to empty the territory of its population. Egypt has launched a diplomatic blitz behind the scenes against the proposal, warning it would put its peace deal with Israel at risk, officials said.

Israel and Trump will do what they want regardless of any law or peace deal. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 10:22 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 10:22 am

Israel and Trump will do what they want regardless of any law or peace deal.

don't expect help from any country including russia if israel gets attacked, more money for america to send and perhaps US soldiers all for trump's greed.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 10:40 am

don't expect help from any country including russia if israel gets attacked, more money for america to send and perhaps US soldiers all for trump's greed.

At some point, you would think that our generals would stand up against unjust wars. I understand that the president is the commander in chief of the Army and Navy, but the generals also took an oath. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 10:44 am

At some point, you would think that our generals would stand up against unjust wars. I understand that the president is the commander in chief of the Army and Navy, but the generals also took an oath.

this would be an unnecessary war only brought on by trump's greed to turn gaza into a money maker resort area making money for himself. and he will have US taxpayers pay rent to israel plus pay for building the hotels.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:16 am

this would be an unnecessary war only brought on by trump's greed to turn gaza into a money maker resort area making money for himself. and he will have US taxpayers pay rent to israel plus pay for building the hotels.

That is what I mean. I thought generals had a right to say no to the president's orders if they have grounds to believe it is an unjust war. However, they don't. They never do. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:17 am

That is what I mean. I thought generals had a right to say no to the president's orders if they have grounds to believe it is an unjust war. However, they don't. They never do.

that is true. and trump can do whatever he wants thru executive action.

his supporters keep him in power.

31stArrival » 07 Feb 2025, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 10:01 am

You really cannot navigate space beyond your own social consensus ideas of how living should evolve intellectually rather than naturally timed apart now.

shut up. just shut up.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:30 am

that is true. and trump can do whatever he wants thru executive action.

his supporters keep him in power.

If generals don't comply, then the military won't mobilize. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:32 am

If generals don't comply, then the military won't mobilize.

that would be mutiny which could be court martialed and death could be the verdict,

it is a total mess.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:41 am

that would be mutiny which could be court martialed and death could be the verdict,

it is a total mess.

Even if all the generals stand against him?

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:42 am

Even if all the generals stand against him?

not all will. many perhaps but not all. the threat of court martial is too real.

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:47 am

not all will. many perhaps but not all. the threat of court martial is too real.

Then the oath they took doesn't amount to much. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 10:44 am

At some point, you would think that our generals would stand up against unjust wars. I understand that the president is the commander in chief of the Army and Navy, but the generals also took an oath.

Foreign policy is bigger than the President.

Empire is MUCH bigger that DJT.

Zionism is much bigger than DJT.
 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 11:49 am

Then the oath they took doesn't amount to much.

to obey the president, trump takes full advantage of this one.

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• A promise to renounce allegiance to any foreign power 

• A pledge to support and defend the Constitution of the United States 
• A promise to obey the orders of the President and officers in charge 
• A commitment to be loyal to the state 

Who takes the oath Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Coast Guardsme
 

jerrab » 07 Feb 2025, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 12:20 pm

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• A promise to renounce allegiance to any foreign power 

• A pledge to support and defend the Constitution of the United States 
• A promise to obey the orders of the President and officers in charge 
• A commitment to be loyal to the state 

Who takes the oath Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Coast Guardsme

If the war is unconstitutional, then that conflicts with the second oath. 

Vegas » 07 Feb 2025, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2025, 12:21 pm

If the war is unconstitutional, then that conflicts with the second oath.

it would be to protect israel. which would not need protecting if israel and trump were fair to gaza