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Skans » 14 Feb 2025, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 9:33 am

So, are you for workers returning to the work place?  Or not?  Or, why do you even care.Most boomers are retired anyway.

If they can do their own thing, then no. They should tell corporate bosses to go pound sand. 

ConservativeWave » 14 Feb 2025, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 8:15 am

I think Jamie Dimon is looking at it from a completely different perspective... Currently, with a HUGE percent of the workforce working from home, millions of office buildings are sitting empty, with leases and notes coming due soon (office buildings don't usually have a firm/fixed interest rate, & they change over time)... So, millions of those buildings are sitting empty, are not paying for themselves, and will start to be going delinquent soon (some already have)... Owners will walk away from them, leave the banks holding the property, & the resulting economic shock is what I think Dimon is worried about... LOTS of banks stand a high chance of going under, because of the losses... and that financial calamity could WELL cause a nation wide financial crisis !  However, it may already be too late... BUT, I think Dimon see's this incentive to get workers BACK into office buildings as a "last chance" to avert the economic crisis he sees coming...

Just MY opinion....

You are probably right. However, it's the industries job to keep up and adapt with the changes. They knew this was coming, but they did nothing. 

ROG62 » 14 Feb 2025, 1:16 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:16 am

A) not everyone is owner material...AAMOF, very few are...
B) when companies are busy, employees have the upper hand...
C) when companies aren't busy, companies have the upper hand...
D) boomers are an integral part of a business, they bring experience, wisdom and work ethic and as the workforce goes younger, those 3 points diminish to the outliers ...
E) neither employer nor employees are loyal to the other anymore compared to 40 or 50 yrs ago...

True. However, it comes to adaptation. Right now, the younger generation will always have the upper hand. The boomers are leaving the workforce, nobody cares about them. They can go die. Tech is getting more advanced than ever. The younger generation has a much better grasp on it than the boomers. The boomers don't have the leverage they once had. 

*Beekeeper » 13 Feb 2025, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Feb 2025, 6:56 pm

The LANDSCAPE is only going to change when the ones writing the PAYCHECK let's it change!! PERIOD!!

The WORKERS don't make the rules, the OWNERS OF THE BUSINESS DOES!! For every ASSHAT that thinks they can change the rules by DEMANDING IT, there are 20 in line for a JOB no matter what it requires.

People can wish in one hand and **** in the other and guess which hand fills fastest!! The one where wishing they could "work like they want to" is going to be DAMN EMPTY when an EMPLOYER said, YOU WILL work in the building!!

THATS the only POINT that matters.

There will be no paychecks to write unless the boomers can adapt to the changes. However, they are dumb as hell when it comes to tech, and they can't adapt to ****. Not to mention they will be dead soon, so who cares?

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 11:18 am

You are probably right. However, it's the industries job to keep up and adapt with the changes. They knew this was coming, but they did nothing.

I don't know... The buildings were already financed in early 2020, and COVID came out of no where... THEN, peoples work routine changed almost over night !  Now, LOTS of those financial agreements are coming due, the buildings are empty... so what are the owners to do?  It could be that many just walk away, and the banks get them back (bad for them AND the banks who will sell at pennies on the dollar).. UNLESS something changes.  It's really no ones "fault"... just bad luck !

We just have to wait & see if the "Back to work" initiative starts to gain traction !

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 11:16 am

If they can do their own thing, then no. They should tell corporate bosses to go pound sand.

Well, sure, everyone who are truly capable and motivated to "do their own thing", i.e. be entrepreneur, they should take a chance and go for it.  But, you have to understand that a lot of people are not inclined to be an entrepreneur. For instance:

• Many people actually prefer working for a large company where they feel like they are part of a team.
• Others have family obligations where the benefits of working for a company outweigh the risks of doing it on your own, paying your own medical insurance for your you and your family and making sure you have a steady paycheck as the family provider.
• Still, others lack the experience, personality, or discipline to do their own thing.
• And, many others lack the financial resources to break away from a stable company job to go and do their own thing.

ConservativeWave » 14 Feb 2025, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 11:26 am

I don't know... The buildings were already financed in early 2020, and COVID came out of no where... THEN, peoples work routine changed almost over night !  Now, LOTS of those financial agreements are coming due, the buildings are empty... so what are the owners to do?  It could be that many just walk away, and the banks get them back (bad for them AND the banks who will sell at pennies on the dollar).. UNLESS something changes.  It's really no ones "fault"... just bad luck !

We just have to wait & see if the "Back to work" initiative starts to gain traction !

I am not referring to Covid. I am referring to AI. The young ones have a firm grasp on it, while the boomers don't. They know how to make it worry in their favor. 

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 11:21 am

True. However, it comes to adaptation. Right now, the younger generation will always have the upper hand. The boomers are leaving the workforce, nobody cares about them. They can go die. Tech is getting more advanced than ever. The younger generation has a much better grasp on it than the boomers. The boomers don't have the leverage they once had.

True...ATBH, I doubt boomers care...cuz I know I sure don't...  

DeezerShoove » 14 Feb 2025, 9:21 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 9:21 am

Exactly. While freedom to do the stuff around the house, maybe running errands, no drive to work everyday, etc. all seems great, I have been in both situations. Like a lot of people, I've seem the workplace degrade, productivity become a lesser priority, reliability go to ****, etc.

Then, to cap it off, try getting a "supervisor" (or someone that actually knows what they're doing) involved in the problem. Good **** luck.

btw
I love being put on hold because baby's diaper is full.

LOL... I believe I've only run across that once, where I detected they were at home with children... I may be more prone to put up with that than trying to decipher a thick guttural accent on the fly...
 

ROG62 » 14 Feb 2025, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 12:36 pm

LOL... I believe I've only run across that once, where I detected they were at home with children... I may be more prone to put up with that than trying to decipher a thick guttural accent on the fly...

In either case, it gets in the way of whatever the call is about.

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 11:23 am

There will be no paychecks to write unless the boomers can adapt to the changes. However, they are dumb as hell when it comes to tech, and they can't adapt to ****. Not to mention they will be dead soon, so who cares?

Boomers will do just fine without those lazy *** "gen z'ers". Without that BOOMER PAYCHECK, they'll all die out soon enough. And without a teat to suck too!!

Grow up a lot and learn how BUSINESS works. You want a JOB, you get it on the EMPLOYERS TERMS, not yours because there are 20 behind you willing to do what that EMPLOYER SAYS YOU WILL DO. PERIOD!! And if you think otherwise, you got a TON to learn.

DeezerShoove » 14 Feb 2025, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 12:47 pm

In either case, it gets in the way of whatever the call is about.

most definitely...
 
 

*Beekeeper » 14 Feb 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:19 pm

Boomers will do just fine without those lazy *** "gen z'ers". Without that BOOMER PAYCHECK, they'll all die out soon enough. And without a teat to suck too!!

Grow up a lot and learn how BUSINESS works. You want a JOB, you get it on the EMPLOYERS TERMS, not yours because there are 20 behind you willing to do what that EMPLOYER SAYS YOU WILL DO. PERIOD!! And if you think otherwise, you got a TON to learn.

The younger generation has a different idea of what employers and employees look like. 

The Boomers? Well, who cares? They will be collecting their SS soon while **** in their diapers in some nursing home. They no longer count. 

Vegas » 13 Feb 2025, 12:51 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Feb 2025, 12:51 pm

I don't think that is the point I made. My point is that the Bommer generation can't adapt to the up-and-coming workforce. The boomers will be gone soon. They don't have the pull they once had. The new ones are coming and are already here. The tech has allowed them more options, so they are now able to tell the boomers to go pound sand with their demands. They no longer have to slave away to make a handful of people billionaires, while they get crumbs. Tech is good. It's a new era for everything and I am excited about it.

Dude, BOOMERS ARE RETIRED!!!  GenX is starting to hit their '60's, and they will soon start retiring too.  Probably even sooner in life than Boomers, because overall, GenX'ers are more successful. 

GenXer's were the preppie generation that wanted lots of money and expensive things.  Boomers were the '50's / '60's factory workers, '60's hippies and '70's Cocaine addicts. GenXer's was a smaller demographic that went to the best private schools, became technology-savoy and now run the wealthiest, cash-cow companies.
 

Skans » 14 Feb 2025, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:54 pm

Dude, BOOMERS ARE RETIRED!!!  GenX is starting to hit their '60's, and they will soon start retiring too.  Probably even sooner in life than Boomers, because overall, GenX'ers are more successful. 

GenXer's were the preppie generation that wanted lots of money and expensive things.  Boomers were the '50's / '60's factory workers, '60's hippies and '70's Cocaine addicts. GenXer's was a smaller demographic that went to the best private schools, became technology-savoy and now run the wealthiest, cash-cow companies.

I am gen x. We never gave a ****. we just want to be left alone. If the world collapsed around us, then oh well. 

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:21 pm

The younger generation has a different idea of what employers and employees look like. 

The Boomers? Well, who cares? They will be collecting their SS soon while **** in their diapers in some nursing home. They no longer count.

The first boomers are now nearly 80 years old!!! If they are still alive, they already shat thousands of diapers.

Skans » 14 Feb 2025, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:56 pm

The first boomers are now nearly 80 years old!!! If they are still alive, they already shat thousands of diapers.

No they aren't. They are 61- 79 years old. They are about to retire, but they are still very much in the workforce. 

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:56 pm

I am gen x. We never gave a ****. we just want to be left alone. If the world collapsed around us, then oh well.

Pretty much right.  GenXer's (far more than Boomers) want to be wealthy, in control of their own destinies and self-sufficient.  They have sort of a  F- the world attitude, as long as they are doing the F-ing.

The real fireworks are and will be between GenXer's and Millennials.  Millennials will lose because GenX and GenZ both hate Millennials.
 

*Beekeeper » 14 Feb 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:19 pm

Boomers will do just fine without those lazy *** "gen z'ers". Without that BOOMER PAYCHECK, they'll all die out soon enough. And without a teat to suck too!!

Grow up a lot and learn how BUSINESS works. You want a JOB, you get it on the EMPLOYERS TERMS, not yours because there are 20 behind you willing to do what that EMPLOYER SAYS YOU WILL DO. PERIOD!! And if you think otherwise, you got a TON to learn.

Without adding great great grandchildren born one at time , all 5 ancestral lineages with their previous 4 generations become extinct at the same event.

Vegas » 14 Feb 2025, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2025, 1:57 pm

No they aren't. They are 61- 79 years old. They are about to retire, but they are still very much in the workforce.

Ummmmmm, I hate to have to explain this, but 79 is near 80.  

And, if ANY boomer is still in the work force it is because of only 2 things - - 1) they are running a company and don't want to die of boredom, or 2) they snorted so much Cocaine in the '70's and crack in the '80's that they can't afford the healthcare to keep them alive.