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Jantje_Smit » 08 Mar 2025, 8:03 am » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 8:03 am

oh, I remember the videos of the cookie monster and Trump went along with the neocons in his first term, but times have changed, it's different this time around, Trumps wants to go down in the history books as the (only) president who delivered on his promises, that would include a peace deal in Ukraine, I don't think he set Zelensky up, not on purpose anyway, but when Zelensky didn't show enough respect he just couldn't resist..

 

Trump certainly went along with the fist presidential debate in a hundred years to be held before September. The vast majority have been held in October. None has ever been held before September except the one intended as a coup against Biden. Trump was certainly in on that. His team should have made a stink instead of going along - there had to be a reason. And the reason was the kamala coronation. 
 

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm

agree to a cease fire with no guaranty russia won't attack again??

that is not anything but trash.

Use your head for just a minute, would you?
How could ANY country EVER give a guarantee about what another country would do, let alone a dictatorship that could change dictators in a heartbeat, and would have zero interest in keeping the promise of the previous dictator?

 

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 4:31 pm

trump wants to spend billions rebuilding gaza. russia feels israel  bombed it, israel should pay for everything. trump wants to use US tax money to rebuild gaza, so do not tell trump is concerned about saving america money.

but you support trump bankrupting america.

Why do you believe that aid given to Israel will bankrupt the country when Trump has ALREADY saved us tens of billions in foreign aid that he's stopped in just his first month in office?

Are you so dumb that you think supporting the only democracy in the Middle East and our strongest allies is such a danger to our fiscal solvency, but don't have a single complaint about how the idiot Democrats YOU voted for funded THIS kind of stupidity that Trump and Musk have rooted out?: 

• Mental health support for LGBTQ+ youth fleeing Venezuela
•  Funding to prevent, mitigate, and/or respond to sexual and gender-based violence in West Africa 
• $5 million for DEI scholarships in Burma
• $520 million for consultant-driven ESG (environmental, social, and governance) investments in Africa
• $1.2 billion in awards to undisclosed recipients
• $1.5 million to "advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities"
• $70,000 for production of a "DEI musical" in Ireland
• $2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
• $47,000 for a "transgender opera" in Colombia
• $32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
• $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
• $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
• $1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
• Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
• Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
• “Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
• Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
• Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 3:24 pm

trump will get us into ww3 in israel with his hotel gaza crap. and no other country I repeat no other country supports it except israel. russia is dead against it.

https://youtu.be/8miIf3I5aKk?si=PpfFLbDOKFuIftaT

Oh, but you don't worry about how Biden giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine to fight Russia with our most sophisticated weapons would bring us closer to WW3, when Zelensky has already demanded that we send our troops to Ukraine to actually fight a war DIRECTLY against Russia, do you?

Isn't it a FACT that Russia breathed a sigh of relief when Trump STOPPED funding the corrupt Ukraine/Zelensky government?  That action ratcheted DOWN hostilities against Russia which couldn't care less about what we do in Israel! 

Seriously, what is it that would strike fear into the heart of Russia by the construction of that hotel in Gaza that you're so frightened over?      
 

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 2:47 pm

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https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1895793892945248336

It will be difficult without the U.S. support. But we can’t lose our will, our freedom, or our people. We’ve seen how Russians came to our homes and killed many people. Nobody wants another wave of occupation. If we cannot be accepted to NATO, we need some clear structure of security guarantees from our allies in the U.S

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Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський

@ZelenskyyUa

It will be difficult without the U.S. support. But we can’t lose our will, our freedom, or our people. We’ve seen how Russians came to our homes and killed many people. Nobody wants another wave of occupation. If we cannot be accepted to NATO, we need some clear structure of security guarantees from our allies in the U.S.

And exactly HOW would we be expected to guarantee the security of Ukraine WITHOUT US PUTTING US TROOPS ON THEIR BORDER, with such an idiotic "option" to letting them join NATO?

Here's all you need to know.
Trump stopping the funding of their war will force them to negotiate peace with Russia sooner rather than later.  Ukraine CANNOT get the kind of security the midget is demanding WITHOUT admitting them to NATO, and Trump WILL NOT be sending US troops to "guarantee their security" like YOU want.  Your idiot Biden wasted the hundreds of billions that he threw at Zelensky for a war that Ukraine COULD NEVER HAVE WON!  Had they NOT been told "it was up to Ukraine to decide" if they wanted to join NATO by Biden, RUSSIA WOULD NEVER HAVE INVADED!

THAT is where the blame lies for the deaths of tens of thousands of soldiers, millions displaced from their homes, and a country devastated by daily bombings that will cost TRILLIONS to rebuild.
YOU know it, I know it, and Trump knows it!

 

Zeets2 » 09 Mar 2025, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 10:55 am

Why do you believe that aid given to Israel will bankrupt the country when Trump has ALREADY saved us tens of billions in foreign aid that he's stopped in just his first month in office?

Are you so dumb that you think supporting the only democracy in the Middle East and our strongest allies is such a danger to our fiscal solvency, but don't have a single complaint about how the idiot Democrats YOU voted for funded THIS kind of stupidity that Trump and Musk have rooted out?: 

• Mental health support for LGBTQ+ youth fleeing Venezuela
•  Funding to prevent, mitigate, and/or respond to sexual and gender-based violence in West Africa 
• $5 million for DEI scholarships in Burma
• $520 million for consultant-driven ESG (environmental, social, and governance) investments in Africa
• $1.2 billion in awards to undisclosed recipients
• $1.5 million to "advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities"
• $70,000 for production of a "DEI musical" in Ireland
• $2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
• $47,000 for a "transgender opera" in Colombia
• $32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
• $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
• $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
• $1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
• Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
• Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
• “Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
• Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
• Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban

Don't for get the $20 MILLION queer Sesame Street **** in Iraq!!!
 

Buffalo » 09 Mar 2025, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 11:26 am

Don't for get the $20 MILLION queer Sesame Street **** in Iraq!!!

Damn right!
OR, one of MY personal favorites, the $20 BILLION these idiots have thrown at the EPA to supposedly to stop climate change, when they're such incompetent morons that they'll blame the wildfire devastation on climate change RATHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEIR FIRE HYDRANTS AND RESERVOIRS WERE EMPTY, while they're paying billions for EVs and windmills instead of emergency services that cut fire department services!  Or the sheer genius that forbid insurance companies who saw such dangerous stupidity from raising their rates until they cancelled their homeowner's policies and left the state!
 

Zeets2 » 09 Mar 2025, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 10:48 am

Use your head for just a minute, would you?
How could ANY country EVER give a guarantee about what another country would do, let alone a dictatorship that could change dictators in a heartbeat, and would have zero interest in keeping the promise of the previous dictator?

I never said trump could guarantee russia would not invade without a written guarantee from russia. america needs to find out russia would want to stop the war. possibilities would be ukraine would not put missiles on borders with russia and would not let nato put missiles anywhere. russia can keep crimera and other areas plus ukraine does not join nato. show that zelinsky and that if he agrees to it then russia will still stop attacking and then if russia attacks then more weapons will be given to ukraine.

Zeets2 » 09 Mar 2025, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 10:55 am

Why do you believe that aid given to Israel will bankrupt the country when Trump has ALREADY saved us tens of billions in foreign aid that he's stopped in just his first month in office?

Are you so dumb that you think supporting the only democracy in the Middle East and our strongest allies is such a danger to our fiscal solvency, but don't have a single complaint about how the idiot Democrats YOU voted for funded THIS kind of stupidity that Trump and Musk have rooted out?: 

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our so called ally does what ever it wants to the palatianinians and then cries when it gets attacked, just like iran bombed israel after israel bombed the crap out of gaza. over and over again america has to spend money every time it wants to screw the palastianians and get attacked over again and then cries for money from america. they are friends like the friends who continually drive drunk and then end up in jail wanting to get bailed out over and over again plus wanting money for lawyers fees etc, how many times do we bail them out until we learn that friends like that we don't need? and as long as we continue to give israel money to bomb other countries, including gaza there will be no peace in the me.

rebuilding gaza is not foreign aid because there are the other countries willing to it and america does not have to spend a dime.

your list does not have anything to   do with spending billions of dollars rebuilding gaza when we don't have to.

all america has to is implement a two state solution which all the countries including russia wants.
 

Zeets2 » 09 Mar 2025, 10:48 am » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 10:48 am

Use your head for just a minute, would you?
How could ANY country EVER give a guarantee about what another country would do, let alone a dictatorship that could change dictators in a heartbeat, and would have zero interest in keeping the promise of the previous dictator?

1. Russia is not a dictatorship. The U.S. was for the last 4 yrs, since Trump was deposed and a dictator appointed. 
2. What you describe is what just happened with Trump's election. Out with the old agreements and in with the new. 
 

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm

agree to a cease fire with no guaranty russia won't attack again??

that is not anything but trash.

No, stop crossing Russia's existential red lines to guarantee they won't attack again. Duh.

Remember learning about the Cuban Missile Crisis? It just happened again - and it was set up by the west.

UNLIKE the Russians, the west refused to be reasonable. 

Don't **** around, and you don't have to find out. 

Why must you **** up the actual history with your democ rat hysteria?


 

jerrab » 08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Mar 2025, 4:34 pm

agree to a cease fire with no guaranty russia won't attack again??

that is not anything but trash.

So it is your position that there can NEVER BE A CEASE FIRE, then.

How childish and stupid of you. Are you a European politician, or just a propaganda victim?

 
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 2:27 pm

No, stop crossing Russia's existential red lines to guarantee they won't attack again. Duh.

Remember learning about the Cuban Missile Crisis? It just happened again - and it was set up by the west.

UNLIKE the Russians, the west refused to be reasonable. 

Don't **** around, and you don't have to find out. 

Why must you **** up the actual history with your democ rat hysteria?

this was another of my posts.---------------------- 9:48 am today-----------------

// I never said trump could guarantee russia would not invade without a written guarantee from russia. america needs to find out russia would want to stop the war. possibilities would be ukraine would not put missiles on borders with russia and would not let nato put missiles anywhere. russia can keep crimera and other areas plus ukraine does not join nato. show that zelinsky and that if he agrees to it then russia will still stop attacking and then if russia attacks then more weapons will be given to ukraine.
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 2:29 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 2:29 pm

So it is your position that there can NEVER BE A CEASE FIRE, then.

How childish and stupid of you. Are you a European politician, or just a propaganda victim?

 read my 9:48 am post.

jerrab » 09 Mar 2025, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 2:56 pm

this was another of my posts.----------------------

// I never said trump could guarantee russia would not invade without a written guarantee from russia. america needs to find out russia would want to stop the war. possibilities would be ukraine would not put missiles on borders with russia and would not let nato put missiles anywhere. russia can keep crimera and other areas plus ukraine does not join nato. show that zelinsky and that if he agrees to it then russia will still stop attacking and then if russia attacks then more weapons will be given to ukraine.

Well, that wasn't the post I answered. 

Russia isn't in the business of attacking its neighbors. Russia actually has quite a bit of land under its belt right now, and lots of ethnicities to contend with - including many who have a desire for their own ethno-state. You might remember something something Chechen rebels something? Well, there are 21 federal republics, and I believe 18 of them have an active separatist movement. That doesn't mean the movement is popular or potent in every case, or even in most cases. But there is always a fire simmering under the *** of any Russian president, and there is always a western power looking to provoke some **** with false promises - like the ones that Obama, Trump, and Biden made to Ukraine, each in their turn. Promises Trump is now revealing were made in bad faith, as to a Kurd.

I say all of that to say this: Russia is not in conquest mode, from any historical perspective. It is maintenance mode, and the only area of expansion on the Russian horizon is in technology and infrastructure and economy - which is what will keep those ethno-state separatists from gaining support. Indeed, the internal issues Russia faces are what convinced the west that the Ukraine Gambit would succeed. Their hubris put Trump 2.0 in an extremely embarrassing position - which playing the midget out of pocket helped to ease DOMESTICALLY. The rest of the world does not see the song and dance in the oval office through the eyes of Trump supporters. The rest of the world see the US abandoning another proxy, and Europe acting like a battered spouse in denial. 

Me, I ordered a commercial quality popcorn popper off Temu, because this **** is just beginning to get entertaining. Just about everyone I don't like in this world is currently in tears and torment, and my schadenfreude is running a tingle up my leg that I haven't felt since I tricked the lady in the next trailer over into thinking I was inheriting a double-wide that was tied-in, under-skirted, and set up under a roof. I hit that ****** in every room of that trailer before she found out I was lying. 

 

jerrab » 09 Mar 2025, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 2:59 pm

 read my 9:48 am post.

Again, I wasn't answering that post.

But all this talk of ceasefire - from anyone - is pure ****.

THERE IS NO CEASE FIRE. THERE ARE NO TALKS FOR A CEASE FIRE. THERE WILL BE NO TALKS FOR A CEASE FIRE UNTIL EVERY UKE IN KURSK IS DEAD OR GONE. Take that to the bank - and count it as a cash deposit. 

Putin has currently been approached by zero people with any offer of a cease fire, and Putin has currently approached zero people with a proffer of a cease fire. 

So, divide the first zero by the second zero, and there's your chance of any cease fire at this point in time. 

I will also predict - with less but significant certainty - that there will be no cease fire without a written promise that NATO membership for Ukraine if off the table for all eternity - and not just in this universe but in all conceivable universes, known and unknown.

So many people on this board - especially conjobs - are quick to run their mouths about Putin's future moves, but they could not identify the causes of the war with a gun to their tiny, illiterate noggins. They couldn't tell you who Victoria Nuland is.
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 3:24 pm

Again, I wasn't answering that post.

But all this talk of ceasefire - from anyone - is pure ****.

THERE IS NO CEASE FIRE. THERE ARE NO TALKS FOR A CEASE FIRE. THERE WILL BE NO TALKS FOR A CEASE FIRE UNTIL EVERY UKE IN KURSK IS DEAD OR GONE. Take that to the bank - and count it as a cash deposit. 

Putin has currently been approached by zero people with any offer of a cease fire, and Putin has currently approached zero people with a proffer of a cease fire. 

So, divide the first zero by the second zero, and there's your chance of any cease fire at this point in time. 

I will also predict - with less but significant certainty - that there will be no cease fire without a written promise that NATO membership for Ukraine if off the table for all eternity - and not just in this universe but in all conceivable universes, known and unknown.

So many people on this board - especially conjobs - are quick to run their mouths about Putin's future moves, but they could not identify the causes of the war with a gun to their tiny, illiterate noggins. They couldn't tell you who Victoria Nuland is.

I put ukraine does not ask for membership is a must for a cease fire in my post

jerrab » 09 Mar 2025, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 3:43 pm

I put ukraine does not ask for membership is a must for a cease fire in my post

It bears remembering that the Ukrainian Constitution - discarded by the coup government - FORBADE membership in NATO, or in ANY military alliance, east or west. Ukraine was a buffer against the prospect of armed conflict between east and west, with both sides guaranteeing Ukraine's borders.

The pretense that it was Russia - and not the USA under Obama, through Nuland et al - who first violated Ukraine's borders is based entirely on unforgivable ignorance - ignorance that is so unnecessary that I consider it willful. The conjobs and the libtards are not just stupid. They are proudly stupid. They are stupid on purpose. 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 3:16 pm

Well, that wasn't the post I answered. 

Russia isn't in the business of attacking its neighbors. Russia actually has quite a bit of land under its belt right now, and lots of ethnicities to contend with - including many who have a desire for their own ethno-state. You might remember something something Chechen rebels something? Well, there are 21 federal republics, and I believe 18 of them have an active separatist movement. That doesn't mean the movement is popular or potent in every case, or even in most cases. But there is always a fire simmering under the *** of any Russian president, and there is always a western power looking to provoke some **** with false promises - like the ones that Obama, Trump, and Biden made to Ukraine, each in their turn. Promises Trump is now revealing were made in bad faith, as to a Kurd.

I say all of that to say this: Russia is not in conquest mode, from any historical perspective. It is maintenance mode, and the only area of expansion on the Russian horizon is in technology and infrastructure and economy - which is what will keep those ethno-state separatists from gaining support. Indeed, the internal issues Russia faces are what convinced the west that the Ukraine Gambit would succeed. Their hubris put Trump 2.0 in an extremely embarrassing position - which playing the midget out of pocket helped to ease DOMESTICALLY. The rest of the world does not see the song and dance in the oval office through the eyes of Trump supporters. The rest of the world see the US abandoning another proxy, and Europe acting like a battered spouse in denial. 

Me, I ordered a commercial quality popcorn popper off Temu, because this **** is just beginning to get entertaining. Just about everyone I don't like in this world is currently in tears and torment, and my schadenfreude is running a tingle up my leg that I haven't felt since I tricked the lady in the next trailer over into thinking I was inheriting a double-wide that was tied-in, under-skirted, and set up under a roof. I hit that ****** in every room of that trailer before she found out I was lying.

I would like to see a treaty that would have ukraine promise not to join nato, not to have missiles on russia's border and to let russia keep certain areas including crimera and both russia and ukraine sign it.

jerrab » 09 Mar 2025, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 4:24 pm

I would like to see a treaty that would have ukraine promise not to join nato, not to have missiles on russia's border and to let russia keep certain areas including crimera and both russia and ukraine sign it.

That, and then some, will be the treaty. Russia will keep every Oblast it has taken. The "Stay neutral, small military, and Russia keeps Crimea" offer expired in February of 2022. Russia doesn't give back what it is forced to take at the cost of blood and treasure - especially when the entire population is ethnic Russians who voted en masse to be Russian citizens, after being tortured and brutalized by the Ukrainian government for 8 years.

As Trump pointed out, Ukraine has no cards. What he did not admit is that he doesn't plan to waste any of HIS cards on Ukraine. He has bigger fish to fry.