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Sumela » Yesterday, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 1:46 pm

Trump does not want a peace deal...he wants Putin to obey him.

And he is helpless to make Putin do so. 

Putin is the statesman, Trump is the flailing salesman. 

If you look at the relationship between Zelenski and Trump, it perfectly mirrors the relationship between Trump and Putin. It's downright Shakespearean, the way the comedy sideshow comments on the larger arena's goings-on - the way the sub-plot mirrors the primary narrative. You see Trump dismiss Zelenski, and then you see Putin keep Trump's envoy cooling his heels for 8 hours. This is precisely the device that Shakespeare was a past-master of: a subplot that mirrors and comments upon the play's actual dramatic conflict.

You see Zelenski flail at Trump, wagging his tail in hopes that Trump will do his bidding, and then you see Trump, feckless, embarrass himself before the world, begging Putin to stop killing America's proxy. 

Zelenski is Hotspur, Trump is Falstaff, and Putin is Henry V, post-coronation. The clouds the west put o'er his head are dissipated - wrought asunder by the manly acts of RUS and its noble President. And cheap will that man count his honor who cannot say, he helped the Mighty Putin make Ukraine much less gay. 

Putin has always been ready to make the peace. His terms are simple, clear, and well understood by every stake holder. But their psychosis prevents them understanding their lack of options. They simply do not have brains big enough to face the music and get back to the business of running their countries and letting others run theirs.

Zelenski is the absolute perfect foil to reflect the nature of those who subverted him, turning him into a silly beggar-clown. In every respect that matters, Trump's current relationship to Putin is that of beggar-clown. He keeps giving Putin the yeah yeah - the old soft shoe with a "pay it forward on the overlay," - hoping that SOMEHOW, Putin can be fooled again. But Putin won't be fooled again. And so, the killing will continue. Because the west is simply too **** psychotic to respect Putin's perfectly legitimate red lines. 

Imagine If RUS had been ruled by men like these, during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I tell you, I expect civil war in Europe - soon.
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 9:09 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:09 pm

Putin has always been ready to make the peace. His terms are simple, clear, and well understood by every stake holder. But their psychosis prevents them understanding their lack of options. They simply do not have brains big enough to face the music and get back to the business of running their countries and letting others run theirs.

So should I market the "Welcome to Poland" Signs?

Could you please elaborate on the plain and simple part?  Short bus back here is trying to catch up.
 

JohnnyYou » 52 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

52 minutes ago

So should I market the "Welcome to Poland" Signs?

Could you please elaborate on the plain and simple part?  Short bus back here is trying to catch up.

Ukraine honors its treaty commitments (Google, "The BIg Treaty") and its Constitutional mandate to REMAIN NEUTRAL - no military alliances with east or west. This made Ukraine a big, several-hundred-mile-wide safety zone so that no one in the east or west needed to militarize their borders - not NATO nations, not Russia. 

Just chew on how important to world peace that simple thing is - and this promise was integral to the framework that established Ukraine's post-Soviet borders and Russia's agreements to honor those borders. 

Ukraine ceases to murder and otherwise mistreat minorities - whether they be Hungarians, Bulgarians, Russians, Romanians, Tartars, Poles, Moldavans, or what have you. 

Now there is an added demand - Ukraine demilitarizes. 
 
 

Sumela » Today, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:26 pm

Sad.  Embarrassing.  
As terrible and reptilian as Biden was.....this Trump **** is so dark, so evil. Satanic.

and if anyone in anerica complains about it they will get arrested.

Cannonpointer » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

Ukraine honors its treaty commitments (Google, "The BIg Treaty") and its Constitutional mandate to REMAIN NEUTRAL - no military alliances with east or west. This made Ukraine a big, several-hundred-mile-wide safety zone so that no one in the east or west needed to militarize their borders - not NATO nations, not Russia. 

Just chew on how important to world peace that simple thing is - and this promise was integral to the framework that established Ukraine's post-Soviet borders and Russia's agreements to honor those borders. 

Ukraine ceases to murder and otherwise mistreat minorities - whether they be Hungarians, Bulgarians, Russians, Romanians, Tartars, Poles, Moldavans, or what have you. 

Now there is an added demand - Ukraine demilitarizes.

So Mr Gorbachev should have never torn down that wall?

I am asking your own personal Empty Geez, Mrs Neanderthal Jewish Space Laser can carve Trumpocalypse in Mt Rushmore in seconds.

I think Jake has his khakis on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI
 
 

JohnnyYou » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

16 minutes ago

So Mr Gorbachev should have never torn down that wall?

I have no idea how that follows anything I said. The east and west were extremely militarized on their borders, and every night when leaders went to bed they had to worry whether some silly mishap might trigger a world war. I just laid out the OPPOSITE of that - which is what we HAD, and what Russia wants BACK.

If you want answers to questions, show enough respect to read and comprehend them.

JohnnyYou » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

16 minutes ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI

And for the record, ***, depeche mode is gerbil music. It's right up there with the pet shop boys.
 

Cannonpointer » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

And for the record, ***, depeche mode is gerbil music. It's right up there with the pet shop boys.

gerbils are really good well done with ketchup.  I am on a military mission getting Hedgseth'd on Vodka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGl4PP9xaaQ

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 8:41 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:41 pm

Yes ye s- the open air prison holds TWO MILLION TERRORISTS.

Wait, wait!
You forgot to deduct the 1.9 million of them that are now homeless that resulted from the Hamas attack on Israel.
And that's the terrific job that the Israeli military has done in retaliation for the massacre committed by Hamas.

By your figures, that leaves only about 100,000 terrorists/Hamas supporters left in Gaza who don't have to concern themselves with finding shelter and are free to continue firing hundreds of rockets into Israel every day as the rest of their war-ravaged country does, which is what is finally going to force them to talk peace before much longer.

The Israel-Hamas war’s devastating toll, by the numbers
ASSOCIATED PRESS  January 15, 2025

Displacement
Number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza: Around 1.9 million
Percentage of Gaza’s population that has been displaced: Around 90%
Number of Israelis displaced by attacks from Gaza at their peak: Over 75,500
Number of Israelis currently displaced from homes in the south: Around 7,000
Percentage of Gaza’s territory placed under Israeli evacuation orders at different periods: Around 90% 
Destruction in Gaza
Number of structures moderately to severely damaged or destroyed: Over 136,000
Number of housing units damaged or destroyed: Over 245,000
Percentage of structures damaged or destroyed: 69%Total estimated cost of damage from the war’s first three months: $18.5 billion
Highest GDP ever reported in the West Bank and Gaza, in 2022: $19.17 billion
Damage to Gaza’s infrastructure
Percentage of primary roads damaged or destroyed: Over 92%
Percentage of health facilities damaged or destroyed: Over 84%
Percentage of water and sanitation facilities damaged or destroyed: 67%
Daily amount of untreated water and sewage flowing into the sea from Gaza: 60,000 cubic meters (2.1 million cubic feet)
Length of electrical grid destroyed: 510 kilometers (320 miles)
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 8:36 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:36 pm

With the billions they get from us, dotard?

Every place you named has one thing in common: The resorts in question are NOT a result of ethnic cleansing.

Show me an open air prison that DOESN'T have shanty towns. You don't have to remove people from their land to stop torturing them. You can stop any time - WITHOUT an anti-Semitic ethnic cleansing.

Just a word of advice. When your "business plan" involves ethnic cleansing, spit out the jew cock.

Killing terrorists is a GREAT investment for the US to spend billions on, far better than many other idiotic expenditures we've thrown hundreds of billions at with NO discernable improvement.
Or would you rather spend that money on:
Drag show on ice promoting climate awareness?
Studying if lonely rats are more likely to seek cocaine?
Testing cats’ performance on treadmills in Russia?
Allocated millions for federal DEI hiring initiatives?
Girl-centered climate initiatives in Brazil?
Initiatives by the NIH on diversity, equity, and inclusion?
A climate-focused girl empowerment project in Paraguay?

Need I go on? 
Billions spent killing terrorists are far more worthwhile than on ANY of those idiotic expenditures and hundreds more that we stupidly funded! 
But I don't hear you whining about those, do you?  So put it in perspective, you fool!

This war that Hamas started is TERRORIST cleansing.  There's a huge difference that you're apparently too much of a Jew-hater to appreciate or acknowledge.
No point in removing terrorists BEFORE we bomb the **** out of their shanty towns, is there?
And my advice to you is to spit the terrorist cock out of YOUR mouth. 
Or wake the **** up and realize that the killing of Hamas and their supporters is something the world should be eternally grateful to Israel for doing!

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:29 pm

I have a question.

Did Mexico pay for the wall?

Axing for a friend.

Tell your ignorant friend that the first term Trump tariffs on Mexico generated over $150 BILLION in 2019, and a dope like you is concerned about the paltry $6 billion the wall costs?  And this kind of revenue is a problem for you?

Apparently, your friend is as uninformed as you are.

 
 

Zeets2 » Today, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:09 am

Tell your ignorant friend that the first term Trump tariffs on Mexico generated over $150 BILLION in 2019, and a dope like you is concerned about the paltry $6 billion the wall costs?  And this kind of revenue is a problem for you?

Apparently, your friend is as uninformed as you are.

 

Who SAID I was concerned, ***? I merely axed.
 

jerrab » Yesterday, 11:09 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 11:09 pm

and if anyone in anerica complains about it they will get arrested.

The West's growing Fascism is certainly concerning....to be watched.
 

Sumela » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

The West's growing Fascism is certainly concerning....to be watched.

trump is causing problems in the me by talking about evicting the people in gaza to africaa so he build hotel trump.

but we can't say that.

jerrab » 3 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

3 minutes ago

trump is causing problems in the me by talking about evicting the people in gaza to africaa so he build hotel trump.

but we can't say that.

Why can't you say it? It looks like you said it. Are you NOT saying it?
 

jerrab » 13 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

13 minutes ago

trump is causing problems in the me by talking about evicting the people in gaza to africaa so he build hotel trump.

but we can't say that.

US President Yahu....
 

Cannonpointer » 57 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

57 minutes ago

Why can't you say it? It looks like you said it. Are you NOT saying it?

not anywhere where I could arrested. speaking up for gaza is a crime.
 

jerrab » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

not anywhere where I could arrested. speaking up for gaza is a crime.

I cannot disagree.

And we've only seen the serpent's tail. The kidnap of that Mahmoud Khalil fella is not intended as an end in itself. It is a shot over the bow of the First Amendment, and a warning to those immunized against israeli propaganda. 
 

Cannonpointer » Today, 9:13 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:13 pm

I cannot disagree.

And we've only seen the serpent's tail. The kidnap of that Mahmoud Khalil fella is not intended as an end in itself. It is a shot over the bow of the First Amendment, and a warning to those immunized against israeli propaganda.

protesting trumps hotel in gaza would also be classified as support for hamas.

It was a busy stressful week, I haven't keep up with the news but it seems the Ukraine crap has disappeared from the headlines and no one gives a **** about poor Zelensky being humiliated anymore but I saw this, you just can't make that stuff up..