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Jantje_Smit » 27 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

27 minutes ago

It was a busy stressful week, I haven't keep up with the news but it seems the Ukraine crap has disappeared from the headlines and no one gives a **** about poor Zelensky being humiliated anymore but I saw this, you just can't make that stuff up..

 

The Mass Deportation Express also seems to be behind schedule.  Prizker is the Obe Wan Kenobe..
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 2:59 pm

Who SAID I was concerned, ***? I merely axed.

YOU asked the question, ***, not me!
Are you now going to try to claim that you KNEW how the Trump tariffs brought in $150 BILLION in 2019, and you asked such a pointed question anyway?
Is that something an intelligent person would do, or was it just that you didn't want to respond to your "friend" when he "axed" you something so stupid?

Maybe you're just slow and you need to have the facts drummed into your head repeatedly so you don't have to respond like an ignorant asshole the next time one of your "friends" asks you that question?  So allow me to repost the proof for you:


Do the math, genius!
$150.6 BILLIONS from Mexico minus $6 billion for the construction of the border wall.
So how much profit did the US make on that deal?
 

Zeets2 » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

YOU asked the question, ***, not me!
Are you now going to try to claim that you KNEW how the Trump tariffs brought in $150 BILLION in 2019, and you asked such a pointed question anyway?
Is that something an intelligent person would do, or was it just that you didn't want to respond to your "friend" when he "axed" you something so stupid?

Maybe you're just slow and you need to have the facts drummed into your head repeatedly so you don't have to respond like an ignorant asshole the next time one of your "friends" asks you that question?  So allow me to repost the proof for you:


Do the math, genius!
$150.6 BILLIONS from Mexico minus $6 billion for the construction of the border wall.
So how much profit did the US make on that deal?

tariffs are paid for by american consumers.

jerrab » 25 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

25 minutes ago

tariffs are paid for by american consumers.

Really?
So you think Mexico paid us over $150 BILLION in tariffs in 2019 because they love us so much?
How come we've just watched the PM of Ontario, Zelensky, President Sheinbaum of Mexico, and President Maduro of Venezuela ALL back down and acquiesce to Trump's policies that cost each of them hundreds of billions they'll be paying to the US thanks to Trump's tariffs?

So explain how it is that you think Americans are SO dumb that you expect them to pay $1.50 for a Mexican avocado when a California avocado is in the next bin in the produce aisle and only costs .99 cents?

Maybe you should amend your theory and more correctly state that tariffs are paid by consumers ONLY when stupid Americans are willing to be overcharged by buying imports?  And that works for B2B consumers as well that can easily switch to domestic suppliers for aluminum, steel, lumber, oil, or plastics to avoid the tariffs just as it works for individual consumers.

Zeets2 » 49 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

49 minutes ago

Really?
So you think Mexico paid us over $150 BILLION in tariffs in 2019 because they love us so much?
How come we've just watched the PM of Ontario, Zelensky, President Sheinbaum of Mexico, and President Maduro of Venezuela ALL back down and acquiesce to Trump's policies that cost each of them hundreds of billions they'll be paying to the US thanks to Trump's tariffs?


 

they raise the price to american buyers. duh.

Zeets2 » 59 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

59 minutes ago

Really?
So you think Mexico paid us over $150 BILLION in tariffs in 2019 because they love us so much?
How come we've just watched the PM of Ontario, Zelensky, President Sheinbaum of Mexico, and President Maduro of Venezuela ALL back down and acquiesce to Trump's policies that cost each of them hundreds of billions they'll be paying to the US thanks to Trump's tariffs?

So explain how it is that you think Americans are SO dumb that you expect them to pay $1.50 for a Mexican avocado when a California avocado is in the next bin in the produce aisle and only costs .99 cents?

Maybe you should amend your theory and more correctly state that tariffs are paid by consumers ONLY when stupid Americans are willing to be overcharged by buying imports?  And that works for B2B consumers as well that can easily switch to domestic suppliers for aluminum, steel, lumber, oil, or plastics to avoid the tariffs just as it works for individual consumers.

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Meanwhile, overall higher prices meant higher input costs for sectors like manufacturing, construction and transportation — major sources of demand for these metals — contributing to reduced growth after the tariffs were imposed.
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jerrab » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

they raise the price to american buyers. duh.

So you're saying that if an American buyer has a choice between a Mexican avocado at $1.50 and a California avocado at .99 cents, he'd prefer to pay the higher price for an import than for an American product?  So when they choose to buy the American-grown avocado, has the price gone up for them when that's the price that BOTH avocados were at before the Trump tariff?

Are these just liberal American imbecilic buyers you're talking about?
If so, then they (and obviously YOU) DESERVE to pay higher prices, DUH!
 

Zeets2 » 20 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

20 minutes ago

So you're saying that if an American buyer has a choice between a Mexican avocado at $1.50 and a California avocado at .99 cents, he'd prefer to pay the higher price for an import than for an American product?  So when they choose to buy the American-grown avocado, has the price gone up for them when that's the price that BOTH avocados were at before the Trump tariff?

Are these just liberal American imbecilic buyers you're talking about?
If so, then they (and obviously YOU) DESERVE to pay higher prices, DUH!

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https://www.reuters.com/graphics/TRUMP- ... pznwgdzpw/

Automakers are still dealing with whiplash from the delay, imposition and then partial rollback of tariffs on Canada and Mexico. And starting today, they also face higher tariffs on steel and aluminum — raw materials that the auto industry consumes in vast quantities.President Trump imposed tariffs on the two metals during his first administration. But now he's expanding them. This time, the 25% tariff on steel applies without exceptions for any countries or industries that rely on the metal, and the tariff on aluminum is rising from 10% to 25%. Trump said in a proclamation that the tariffs are justified on national security grounds, although he has also said in remarks they will promote U.S. jobs and make U.S. companies more profitable.
 

jerrab » 23 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

23 minutes ago

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Meanwhile, overall higher prices meant higher input costs for sectors like manufacturing, construction and transportation — major sources of demand for these metals — contributing to reduced growth after the tariffs were imposed.
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Are you unaware of the fact that there are AMERICAN mines that can produce those metals and AMERICAN businesses that can refine them from which US manufacturers can buy both their raw materials and their refined products from instead of paying those tariffs?  Can you not envision that the US producers will enlarge their plants and hire more US workers to handle the huge surge in customers that will now be flocking to buy DOMESTIC products?

You see, dimwit, once you eliminate the punitive and useless regulations, restrictions, and fees attached by worthless liberal bureaucrats (as Trump and Musk are doing) in the EPA, EEOC, FDA, DOE, the Office of Renewable Energy, the Federal Energy Regulation Commission, and a few others, prices DROP significantly for those US businesses that can then easily compete with foreign competition, who STILL would have to include huge transportation costs to get those products to the US from China, India, South America, and even North American suppliers in Canada and Mexico.
 

Zeets2 » 35 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

35 minutes ago

So you're saying that if an American buyer has a choice between a Mexican avocado at $1.50 and a California avocado at .99 cents, he'd prefer to pay the higher price for an import than for an American product?  So when they choose to buy the American-grown avocado, has the price gone up for them when that's the price that BOTH avocados were at before the Trump tariff?

Are these just liberal American imbecilic buyers you're talking about?
If so, then they (and obviously YOU) DESERVE to pay higher prices, DUH!

it is not a matter of choice, california cannot produce enough avacodos. 

-------------------------California grows commercial quantities of avocados, but it can’t come close to producing enough to fill American consumer demand. Thus, Mexico supplies about 80 percent of the Hass market in the United States, followed by California at about 12 percent, Peru at 5 percent, Colombia at 2.6 percent, and “others” at less than 1 percent. When Mexican avocados were allowed into all U.S. states in 2007, per capita consumption was about 3.5 pounds. Less than 20 years later, it’s nearly triple that. The WSJ does not try to predict what will happen with tariffs, and if imposed, what they could do the price of avocados in the United States.  But it does say there are probably two things that won’t change with the avocado economy: “The first is that U.S. companies will keep importing from Mexico because that’s the only way they can meet the year-round demand.  “The chances of American farmers [growing] enough avocados on their own are roughly the same as their chances of making avocados neon pink.  

jerrab » 19 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

19 minutes ago

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https://www.reuters.com/graphics/TRUMP- ... pznwgdzpw/

Automakers are still dealing with whiplash from the delay, imposition and then partial rollback of tariffs on Canada and Mexico. And starting today, they also face higher tariffs on steel and aluminum — raw materials that the auto industry consumes in vast quantities.President Trump imposed tariffs on the two metals during his first administration. But now he's expanding them. This time, the 25% tariff on steel applies without exceptions for any countries or industries that rely on the metal, and the tariff on aluminum is rising from 10% to 25%. Trump said in a proclamation that the tariffs are justified on national security grounds, although he has also said in remarks they will promote U.S. jobs and make U.S. companies more profitable.

Yeah, and we ARE dealing with it, as proven by the number of businesses in both Mexico and Canada who are moving more production into the US in order to avoid the tariffs, as well as watching other foreign customers reconsidering the suppliers they've been buying from in the past who now will be raising the prices of the finished goods they produce since they're now forced to pay more for the goods they're buying from this country.

Get it through your thick liberal head that there is almost NOTHING that we now buy from other countries that we cannot grow, mine, or manufacture for ourselves!
So if you're SO upset that the price of your Russian caviar, your Canadian Christmas trees, your French wine, or your Chinese sneakers are going to cost a few bucks more, it's time to suck it up, snowflake, and recognize how much more equitable our new tariffs are and how much of a windfall we'll reap thanks to what Trump has done.  And you can use that huge tax cut that Trump will be giving us to pay those slightly higher costs of all those Chinese sex toys you so desperately need.
 

Zeets2 » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

Yeah, and we ARE dealing with it, as proven by the number of businesses in both Mexico and Canada who are moving more production into the US in order to avoid the tariffs, as well as watching other foreign customers reconsidering the suppliers they've been buying from in the past who now will be raising the prices of the finished goods they produce since they're now forced to pay more for the goods they're buying from this country.

Get it through your thick liberal head that there is almost NOTHING that we now buy from other countries that we cannot grow, mine, or manufacture for ourselves!
So if you're SO upset that the price of your Russian caviar, your Canadian Christmas trees, your French wine, or your Chinese sneakers are going to cost a few bucks more, it's time to suck it up, snowflake, and recognize how much more equitable our new tariffs are and how much of a windfall we'll reap thanks to what Trump has done.  And you can use that huge tax cut that Trump will be giving us to pay those slightly higher costs of all those Chinese sex toys you so desperately need.

///////////////////California grows commercial quantities of avocados, but it can’t come close to producing enough to fill American consumer demand/////////////////////////

jerrab » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

it is not a matter of choice, california cannot produce enough avacodos. 

-------------------------California grows commercial quantities of avocados, but it can’t come close to producing enough to fill American consumer demand. Thus, Mexico supplies about 80 percent of the Hass market in the United States, followed by California at about 12 percent, Peru at 5 percent, Colombia at 2.6 percent, and “others” at less than 1 percent. When Mexican avocados were allowed into all U.S. states in 2007, per capita consumption was about 3.5 pounds. Less than 20 years later, it’s nearly triple that. The WSJ does not try to predict what will happen with tariffs, and if imposed, what they could do the price of avocados in the United States.  But it does say there are probably two things that won’t change with the avocado economy: “The first is that U.S. companies will keep importing from Mexico because that’s the only way they can meet the year-round demand.  “The chances of American farmers [growing] enough avocados on their own are roughly the same as their chances of making avocados neon pink.

No, huh?  
I submit that California CAN AND WILL begin to produce more domestic avocados THIS YEAR, once they find there is a demand for cheaper ones in the market.  And so will Florida and Hawaii, two OTHER states eminently capable of growing avocados if the free market demands it!  By this time next year, that 80% of the avocado market imported from Mexico will likely drop to about 25%, with the remainder being made up by AMERICAN farmers making more profits than ever before!  And in future years, that percentage of Mexican avocados will drop even further!

Just watch and see what the free US market is capable of when our own government is no longer working AGAINST us!
 

Zeets2 » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

7 minutes ago

No, huh?  
I submit that California CAN AND WILL begin to produce more domestic avocados THIS YEAR, once they find there is a demand for cheaper ones in the market.  And so will Florida and Hawaii, two OTHER states eminently capable of growing avocados if the free market demands it!  By this time next year, that 80% of the avocado market imported from Mexico will likely drop to about 25%, with the remainder being made up by AMERICAN farmers making more profits than ever before!  And in future years, that percentage of Mexican avocados will drop even further!

Just watch and see what the free US market is capable of when our own government is no longer working AGAINST us!

Can I ask what the phook this has to with the Price of Zelensky in Ukraine?

You guys ADHD much?  I know I am fully capable.   But how we go from Nazis to Avocados is phooked up.
 

jerrab » 12 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

12 minutes ago

///////////////////California grows commercial quantities of avocados, but it can’t come close to producing enough to fill American consumer demand/////////////////////////

They can and they will when the profit margins are worthwhile for them to do so, now that Mexican avocados will be at least 25% more expensive.
And don't discount the fact that Mexico will more than likely absorb much or all of that tariff so they won't lose the US customer base they now supply.
 

Zeets2 » 36 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

36 minutes ago

They can and they will when the profit margins are worthwhile for them to do so, now that Mexican avocados will be at least 25% more expensive.
And don't discount the fact that Mexico will more than likely absorb much or all of that tariff so they won't lose the US customer base they now supply.

why should mexico absorb the cost? california cannot grow enough avocados, mexico never hampered the sales from california. 

Zeets2 » Today, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:18 am

YOU asked the question, ***, not me!

 

Right.

I asked. 

You answered. 

And then you went full retard. The answer is not dramatic. You are. The answer is factual. You are flatulent. Downright effervescent with indignation. 

Never go full retard, son. 

jerrab » Yesterday, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 1:13 pm

why should mexico absorb the cost? california cannot grow enough avocados, mexico never hampered the sales from california.

Well, Trump sure hampered the sales of Mexican avocados, didn't he?
Why don't we simply revisit this question in around 6 months when we can make an accurate assessment of how avocado sales change as a direct result of the new Trump tariff?  That will give US farmers plenty of time to increase their avocado production, which is something you seem to think is impossible.  When we do, I guarantee that you'll see a substantial rise American avocado sales and a significant crash of Mexican avocado sales, UNLESS Mexico chooses to absorb the cost of the Trump tariff themselves in order to have their price competitive with US avocados, which is what I believe will happen.

Sound good to you?
You can be sure that I'll be checking the price comparison around mid-September, when one of us will be eating crow!
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 6:37 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 6:37 pm

Right.

I asked. 

You answered. 

And then you went full retard. The answer is not dramatic. You are. The answer is factual. You are flatulent. Downright effervescent with indignation. 

Never go full retard, son.

Let me tell you the kind of person I think is a retard.

He's the guy who asks a question when he believes the answer will show that my response exposes my lack of knowledge, since you were gullible enough to believe it when ignorant Democrats claim that Trump lied about how Mexico would pay for the wall when the proof is in the numbers that show exactly what Trump promised.  And that FACT is that the Trump tariffs on Mexico paid for the $6 billion cost of the wall MORE THAN 25 TIMES OVER!

Just look in the mirror and you'll see what a retard looks like!
 

Zeets2 » Today, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:56 am

Well, Trump sure hampered the sales of Mexican avocados, didn't he?
Why don't we simply revisit this question in around 6 months when we can make an accurate assessment of how avocado sales change as a direct result of the new Trump tariff?  That will give US farmers plenty of time to increase their avocado production, which is something you seem to think is impossible.  When we do, I guarantee that you'll see a substantial rise American avocado sales and a significant crash of Mexican avocado sales, UNLESS Mexico chooses to absorb the cost of the Trump tariff themselves in order to have their price competitive with US avocados, which is what I believe will happen.

Sound good to you?
You can be sure that I'll be checking the price comparison around mid-September, when one of us will be eating crow!

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Avocado trees typically take 3-5 years to start producing fruit if you start with a nursery-grown tree, or 5-13 years if you start from a seed-----------------------