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Zeets2 » 14 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

14 minutes ago

Most of those killed were uninfected, but the government policy pays the farmer for every chicken they kill, whether they were sick or not.  So farmers get a huge government check whenever they kill huge numbers of chickens as they did.  And foolish libs like you think that's the best way to handle the problem, don't you?

Ever hear of survival of the fittest?
A far better way would be to work with nature and kill ONLY the chickens that have been proven to have the bird flu.  Killing them all eliminates the healthy ones along with the sick.  If the healthy chickens that are resistant to the flu are left to continue laying eggs, those birds that hatch will likely be more resistant to the flu when the weaker ones die off.  It's called Natural Selection in nature, and it works exactly the same in humans.  When we contract a virus and recover from it, our body has created the anti-bodies that ward off that same virus in the future.  How do you think we've wiped out so many diseases in humans over the last 100 years?

The current policy is idiotic, and will NEVER result in eliminating the bird flu, but gullible liberals refuse to consider any alternative to their ignorance.

I don't like the policy of killing all birds but that is the official policy///which I don't like.

jerrab » Yesterday, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 3:44 pm

every high grocery price is not because of eggs.

Glad to hear you admit it!
Grocery prices are higher for ONE REASON ONLY!
BIDEN CAUSED THE WORST INFLATION IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS!
And now, Trump has reversed it and brought inflation back down to the level he left Biden with 4 years ago!

You're **** welcome!!!
 

jerrab » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

I don't like the policy of killing all birds but that is the official policy///which I don't like.

And Biden refused to change that idiotic policy because he knew that killing over 100 million chickens would raise prices as soon as he left office and that the fawning left-wing media would blame Trump for that!

Their attitude is, "**** the American consumer wherever possible if Trump will be blamed for it!"
 

Zeets2 » Today, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:50 am

And Biden refused to change that idiotic policy because he knew that killing over 100 million chickens would raise prices as soon as he left office and that the fawning left-wing media would blame Trump for that!

Their attitude is, "**** the American consumer wherever possible if Trump will be blamed for it!"

it is the official government policy

Zeets2 » Today, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:45 am

Tell me this, genius.
Did ALL PRICES go up thanks to Biden's 20%+ inflation over the last 4 years?
Can your wallet tell the difference when his inflation raised prices compared to when a tariff MIGHT raise the price of a few items?
NO? 
The answer is that BIDEN'S INFLATION WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF A TARIFF ON EVERYTHING WE BUY IN THIS COUNTRY!
Now, Trump has forced down Biden's record high inflation rate and it's now equal to what it was when he handed the economy to Biden 4 years ago!
And it's only foolish Trump-haters like yourself that think his tariffs will be the death of the country when all they do is make world trade less unfair to the US while bringing tens of billions of new revenue into the US economy!
Get that through your thick liberal head!

it is official, america is dei now

jerrab » 4 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

4 minutes ago

it is official, america is dei now

-------------------------The Trump administration imposed a 25% tariff on products imported from Mexico and Canada Tuesday, plus an additional 10% tariff on Chinese imports, on top of the 10% tariff on Chinese products levied earlier this year.A range of U.S. grocery products are sourced from all three countries, but fresh fruits and vegetables in particular are under threat of immediate price increases as they have a short shelf life and a significant share are imported from the U.S.’s two neighbors: Mexico and Canada supplied 51% and 2%, respectively, of fresh fruit imports, and 69% and 20%, respectively, of fresh vegetable imports in 2022, according to the USDA.Fresh strawberries, raspberries, avocados and tomatoes are among the top agricultural exports from Mexico to the U.S., according to the USDA, while meat and other animal products, grains and feeds and oilseeds are among the top agricultural imports to the U.S. from Canada.In 2023, the U.S. imported $45 billion in agricultural products from Mexico, including $9.8 billion in fresh fruits and $8.5 billion in fresh vegetables: $1.3 billion of fresh and frozen strawberries, $2.7 billion of tomatoes and $1.5 billion in fresh peppers.The U.S. imported $2.7 billion of avocados from Mexico in 2023 and was the top market for Mexican avocado exports, while beer and tequila made up 13% and 10%, respectively, of U.S. agricultural imports from Mexico in 2023.Meanwhile, Canada exported around $40 billion in agricultural products to the United States in 2023, including $9.8 billion worth of grains and feeds, $4.8 billion of rapeseed oil, $4.7 billion of biscuits and wafers, $4.2 billion of red meat (mostly beef and veal), $2 billion of cocoa and $1.9 billion of frozen vegetables, according to USDA data.Target CEO Brian Cornell said Tuesday customers will likely see an increase in prices on fruits and vegetables within a matter of days, noting “during this winter season we depend on Mexico for a significant amount of supply” and that fresh produce has “a really short supply chain.”

Zeets2 » Today, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:47 am

Glad to hear you admit it!
Grocery prices are higher for ONE REASON ONLY!
BIDEN CAUSED THE WORST INFLATION IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS!
And now, Trump has reversed it and brought inflation back down to the level he left Biden with 4 years ago!

You're **** welcome!!!

keep dreaming................

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-----------------------The Trump administration imposed a 25% tariff on products imported from Mexico and Canada Tuesday, plus an additional 10% tariff on Chinese imports, on top of the 10% tariff on Chinese products levied earlier this year.A range of U.S. grocery products are sourced from all three countries, but fresh fruits and vegetables in particular are under threat of immediate price increases as they have a short shelf life and a significant share are imported from the U.S.’s two neighbors: Mexico and Canada supplied 51% and 2%, respectively, of fresh fruit imports, and 69% and 20%, respectively, of fresh vegetable imports in 2022, according to the USDA.Fresh strawberries, raspberries, avocados and tomatoes are among the top agricultural exports from Mexico to the U.S., according to the USDA, while meat and other animal products, grains and feeds and oilseeds are among the top agricultural imports to the U.S. from Canada.In 2023, the U.S. imported $45 billion in agricultural products from Mexico, including $9.8 billion in fresh fruits and $8.5 billion in fresh vegetables: $1.3 billion of fresh and frozen strawberries, $2.7 billion of tomatoes and $1.5 billion in fresh peppers.The U.S. imported $2.7 billion of avocados from Mexico in 2023 and was the top market for Mexican avocado exports, while beer and tequila made up 13% and 10%, respectively, of U.S. agricultural imports from Mexico in 2023.Meanwhile, Canada exported around $40 billion in agricultural products to the United States in 2023, including $9.8 billion worth of grains and feeds, $4.8 billion of rapeseed oil, $4.7 billion of biscuits and wafers, $4.2 billion of red meat (mostly beef and veal), $2 billion of cocoa and $1.9 billion of frozen vegetables, according to USDA data.Target CEO Brian Cornell said Tuesday customers will likely see an increase in prices on fruits and vegetables within a matter of days, noting “during this winter season we depend on Mexico for a significant amount of supply” and that fresh produce has “a really short supply chain.”

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jerrab » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

15 minutes ago

keep dreaming................

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2 ... ese-items/

-----------------------The Trump administration imposed a 25% tariff on products imported from Mexico and Canada Tuesday, plus an additional 10% tariff on Chinese imports, on top of the 10% tariff on Chinese products levied earlier this year.A range of U.S. grocery products are sourced from all three countries, but fresh fruits and vegetables in particular are under threat of immediate price increases as they have a short shelf life and a significant share are imported from the U.S.’s two neighbors: Mexico and Canada supplied 51% and 2%, respectively, of fresh fruit imports, and 69% and 20%, respectively, of fresh vegetable imports in 2022, according to the USDA.Fresh strawberries, raspberries, avocados and tomatoes are among the top agricultural exports from Mexico to the U.S., according to the USDA, while meat and other animal products, grains and feeds and oilseeds are among the top agricultural imports to the U.S. from Canada.In 2023, the U.S. imported $45 billion in agricultural products from Mexico, including $9.8 billion in fresh fruits and $8.5 billion in fresh vegetables: $1.3 billion of fresh and frozen strawberries, $2.7 billion of tomatoes and $1.5 billion in fresh peppers.The U.S. imported $2.7 billion of avocados from Mexico in 2023 and was the top market for Mexican avocado exports, while beer and tequila made up 13% and 10%, respectively, of U.S. agricultural imports from Mexico in 2023.Meanwhile, Canada exported around $40 billion in agricultural products to the United States in 2023, including $9.8 billion worth of grains and feeds, $4.8 billion of rapeseed oil, $4.7 billion of biscuits and wafers, $4.2 billion of red meat (mostly beef and veal), $2 billion of cocoa and $1.9 billion of frozen vegetables, according to USDA data.Target CEO Brian Cornell said Tuesday customers will likely see an increase in prices on fruits and vegetables within a matter of days, noting “during this winter season we depend on Mexico for a significant amount of supply” and that fresh produce has “a really short supply chain.”

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Yeah, yeah, we know!  We've been hearing about such proclamations for months now, and they mean nothing until we see how it shakes out!  Many of those foreign companies will absorb that tariff themselves, many other suppliers will move their production to the US to avoid those tariffs, and still others will see increased competition from US companies that will now take a much larger slice of the sales pie than the higher priced imports will get.  And if you STILL want to pay a higher price for a Mexican avocado, you have the freedom to be that stupid if you wish!

Predictions mean NOTHING right now.  The fact is that you're afraid to wait patiently for the results of the Trump tariffs to shake out over the next year because you fear he'll be proven right once again!  And just as you've now seen the price of gas, eggs, and overall inflation all drop and the wailings of liberals from a few weeks ago that have stopped as a result, you'll see the same thing happen in the coming months on the other products that Trump has raised tariffs on.

So be patient, snowflake.  Because your whining today will only make you look that much dumber later in the year!
 

jerrab » 28 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

28 minutes ago

it is the official government policy

So why didn't Biden change it instead of intentionally using it to hurt Trump?

I guarantee that if Trump changes that policy, you'll suddenly start screaming about how THAT will be the end of civilization as we know it, DESPITE the fact that you have already indicated you think the current policy is a stupid one!
 

Zeets2 » 15 Mar 2025, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2025, 10:09 am

Tell your ignorant friend that the first term Trump tariffs on Mexico generated over $150 BILLION in 2019, and a dope like you is concerned about the paltry $6 billion the wall costs?  And this kind of revenue is a problem for you?

Apparently, your friend is as uninformed as you are.

 

My friend wants to know which agency of the meskin government paid those tariffs. 

He's an asshole, this friend of mine. He laughed at me when I explained how the meskins paid for the wall. 

He said American consumers paid those tariffs, and paid for the wall.

Say it ain't so, Joe - say it ain't so.

Gimme SOMETHIN. I wanna shut this guy's mouf. 
 

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 10:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 10:46 pm

My friend wants to know which agency of the meskin government paid those tariffs. 

He's an asshole, this friend of mine. He laughed at me when I explained how the meskins paid for the wall. 

He said American consumers paid those tariffs, and paid for the wall.

Say it ain't so, Joe - say it ain't so.

Gimme SOMETHIN. I wanna shut this guy's mouf.

No "agency" pays it, the Mexican importer pays the higher price.
Just like an importer here might pay a tariff from Mexico IF he chooses not to buy a similar "tariff free" product that we either build or grow domestically, or a similar one that an importer may choose to buy from another country that doesn't have a Trump-mandated tariff because they trade fairly with us.  And of course, that's also assuming that the Mexican exporter doesn't choose to simply absorb the cost of that new tariff himself so that he can be price competitive with our domestic sources.

And as you saw from my previous post, Mexico paid over $150 billion dollars to the US in those Trump tariffs in 2019 WITHOUT us losing any products in our supply chain that caused any shortage here in the US.
 

Lil Zelly has broken the energy bombing ceasefire 2x in the last 3 days...

Poor impotent Flumperton....

Zeets2 » Today, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:20 am

No "agency" pays it, the Mexican importer pays the higher price.

When you say, "Mexican importer," you mean the AMERICAN importer of Mexican goods, yes? You DO mean the AMERICAN importer - yes? And then he passes on that higher price to his customers - the American consumers. Right?

Zeets2 » Today, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:20 am

And as you saw from my previous post, Mexico AMERICAN CONSUMERS paid over $150 billion dollars to the US in those Trump tariffs in 2019 WITHOUT us losing any products in our supply chain that caused any shortage here in the US.

I fixed that for accuracy, son.

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 3:00 pm

When you say, "Mexican importer," you mean the AMERICAN importer of Mexican goods, yes? You DO mean the AMERICAN importer - yes? And then he passes on that higher price to his customers - the American consumers. Right?

I fixed that for accuracy, son.

No, fool!  A MEXICAN IMPORTER pays the Trump tariff on the goods HE imports into Mexico!
And an American consumer ONLY will pay the tariff if they insist on buying a higher-priced item imported from Mexico INSTEAD of a domestically-made product.
 

Zeets2 » Today, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:20 am

No, fool!  A MEXICAN IMPORTER pays the Trump tariff on the goods HE imports into Mexico![/quote[You see confused, son. Trump is not putting tariffs on American exports TO Mexico. He is putting tariffs on items imported FROM Mexico.

Zeets2 » Today, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:20 am

And an American consumer ONLY will pay the tariff if they insist on buying a higher-priced item imported from Mexico

Right. So it is American consumers who are paying for the wall. Thank you for finally stopping the **** and lying, you **** liar..

quote=Zeets2 post_id=2719409 time=1742656831 user_id=2492]INSTEAD of a domestically-made product.

OH, look how cute you are, ****. You're pretending that everything we import from Mexico has an American competitor that is languishing unbought. All those melons and jalepenos and papayas and mangos that American consumers are going to pay more for, they COULD buy from AMERICAN mango growers. They just hate Americans.

You dishonest queer.

Cannonpointer » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

15 minutes ago

OH, look how cute you are, ****. You're pretending that everything we import from Mexico has an American competitor that is languishing unbought. All those melons and jalepenos and papayas and mangos that American consumers are going to pay more for, they COULD buy from AMERICAN mango growers. They just hate Americans.

You dishonest queer.

We can make refrigeration vessels in our small town.  It might save us.

The Global TradePocalypse is a figment of everyone's imagination..  imagine that,

Repent Before Your Bent..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7km4EHg ... rt_radio=1

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 7:17 pm

Right. So it is American consumers who are paying for the wall. Thank you for finally stopping the **** and lying, you **** liar.

OH, look how cute you are, ****. You're pretending that everything we import from Mexico has an American competitor that is languishing unbought. All those melons and jalepenos and papayas and mangos that American consumers are going to pay more for, they COULD buy from AMERICAN mango growers. They just hate Americans.

You dishonest queer.

So you don't believe that Trump's tariff brought in over $150 BILLION in tariff revenue in 2019 alone?
Didn't you read the chart? Or are you unable to see that Mexico paid us OVER 6 TIMES WHAT THE $6 BILLION DOLLAR WALL COST IN ONE YEAR ALONE?
Don't know if a genius like you is capable of doing the simplest arithmetic, but that's a NET PROFIT OF $144.6 BILLION in new cash revenue coming to the US FROM MEXICO once the chump change of the $6 billion the wall cost!


So, you think that there's a huge list of products that Mexico is the ONLY source in the world for?
If we DON'T make a product domestically, OR there is no American business that is starting up a company to take advantage of those customers right here, OR there is no OTHER country who is NOT being punished for their unfair trading practices that can fill that need, OR the Mexican producer chooses to absorb the cost of the tariff himself in order to keep his volume of sales to the US the same, then yes, that product WILL cost slightly more, and of course that too will lower the sales of that Mexican product as American consumers choose an alternative product that they can substitute for that item.

Seems to be a lot of "ifs" that your counting on to back up such a myopic opinion, don't you think?
That's at least 5 factors that will determine whether or not Americans pay a penny more to cover Trump's tariffs.
   
 
 

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

So you don't believe that Trump's tariff brought in over $150 BILLION in tariff revenue in 2019 alone?

No, that position is yours to defend. You're the only one who said that - and I demand that you defend it.

I can SHOW YOU WITH GOVERNMENT NUMBERS that you are wrong. Trump's tariffs brought in over $150 BILLION in tariff revenue in 2019 alone - no matter how much you lie about it. READ YOU OWN CHART, you **** stooge.

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

Or are you unable to see that Mexico paid us OVER 6 TIMES WHAT THE $6 BILLION DOLLAR WALL COST IN ONE YEAR ALONE?

Yes, I am unable to see that on the chart. What I see is American consumers paying that on Mexican goods. Maybe you need to learn math, or logic, or masculinity.

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

So, you think that there's a huge list of products that Mexico is the ONLY source in the world for?

I think that Mexico has seasons, like everyone else. When Mexico has a bumper crop of melons or grapes or mangos or bananas, buying from Chile is more expensive. Making it just as expensive to source from Mexico as from Chile hurts consumers - not Mexico.

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

If we DON'T make a product domestically, OR there is no American business that is starting up a company to take advantage of those customers right here, OR there is no OTHER country who is NOT being punished for their unfair trading practices that can fill that need, OR the Mexican producer chooses to absorb the cost of the tariff himself in order to keep his volume of sales to the US the same, then yes, that product WILL cost slightly more, and of course that too will lower the sales of that Mexican product as American consumers choose an alternative product that they can substitute for that item.

That is real. That is factual. Lowered sales is the pain to Mexico - the only pain. The rest of the pain is to consumers, and the rest of your tripe is girlspeak.

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

Seems to be a lot of "ifs" that your counting on to back up such a myopic opinion, don't you think?

Read the last chunk I responded to, silly girl. You're the one trying to "if" your way to an argument.

Zeets2 » Today, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:42 am

That's at least 5 factors that will determine whether or not Americans pay a penny more to cover Trump's tariffs.

All conditioned on your made up, girlspeak "ifs."