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NO.

The SOLE problem is that WASH DC/NATO wanted AND got a proxy war with Russia.
Purely provoked by the West.

And then Russia kicked their ***.

Lil Zelly is just a green sweater.
 

Zeets2 » 32 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

32 minutes ago

And what kind of an idiotic demand like that would ANY country agree to?
And what would be the value of that "guarantee" coming from ANY dictator, fool?

Sounds a lot like Michael Corleone asking the Turk to give him a guarantee that there wouldn't be any more attacks against the Godfather, which he knew would be completely worthless.

But a sap like you would demand that, huh?

why did trump ask zelinski to come to the signing? what did trump expect zelinsky agree to?

answer that.

Zeets2 » 41 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

41 minutes ago

Isn't that funny?
You claim that you hated the way Biden failed you miserably on so many key issues, and then you go and vote for an idiot like Kamaltoe who publicly stated that she wouldn't have done anything differently than what Biden the demented idiot did LESS THAN A MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTION!

Or weren't you aware of such blatant stupidity?:

**** off, I did not vote for harris.

jerrab » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

**** off, I did not vote for harris.

If you didn't vote for Trump, you voted for Harris......I don't give a **** what obscure asswipe you wrote in.
 

RebelGator » 14 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

14 minutes ago

If you didn't vote for Trump, you voted for Harris......I don't give a **** what obscure asswipe you wrote in.

I did not vote. glad I didn't.

jerrab » Today, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:27 pm

why did trump ask zelinski to come to the signing? what did trump expect zelinsky agree to?

answer that.

Very simple!
Trump wanted him to commit to a cease fire and a peace deal.  Zelensky wanted no part of that, he wanted his gravy train of US taxpayer billions to continue so he could pad his $60 million dollar a year salary and his half-billion dollars of net worth.

And Biden or Harris would have continued to throw our money at him, providing he kicked back tens of millions to Biden and his junkie son and his entire corrupt family.  Or do you believe those 20 secret off-shore bank accounts with tens of millions in them were earned with legitimate businesses?
 

jerrab » Today, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:29 pm

**** off, I did not vote for harris.

Your refusal to vote minimizes your opinion of pure hatred for Trump when you don't have the courage to take a stand one way or another.
Did you vote for Biden when he stole the 2020 election?
 

Zeets2 » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

Your refusal to vote minimizes your opinion of pure hatred for Trump when you don't have the courage to take a stand one way or another.
Did you vote for Biden when he stole the 2020 election?

And all you  are in Piss In The Wisdom.

Like A cigarette butt in the wind.. All we is are butts in the wind.

I could go for some cheap sunglasses right about now funk soul brother.

But I will reserve this space for 31st arrival folded OriGagGa Lady

Being Born By the Beltway has turned out to be a curse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw

Zeets2 » 14 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

14 minutes ago

Very simple!
Trump wanted him to commit to a cease fire and a peace deal.  Zelensky wanted no part of that, he wanted his gravy train of US taxpayer billions to continue so he could pad his $60 million dollar a year salary and his half-billion dollars of net worth.

And Biden or Harris would have continued to throw our money at him, providing he kicked back tens of millions to Biden and his junkie son and his entire corrupt family.  Or do you believe those 20 secret off-shore bank accounts with tens of millions in them were earned with legitimate businesses?

trump wanted him to sign something that did not guaranty that russia would not attack again. in other words there was no peace bill.

jerrab » 30 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

30 minutes ago

trump wanted him to sign something that did not guaranty that russia would not attack again. in other words there was no peace bill.

The way it works is that you obtain a cease fire first, and that shows you're making a commitment to negotiating an agreement that both can live with.  And the big stumbling block for Zelensky was that he wanted the gravy train of more billions to keep flowing to him from the US, regardless of the fact that they couldn't tell Trump where the tens of billions of the dollars that Biden had stupidly given them that were lost!  Are you unaware that even before the war that Ukraine was the most corrupt country in all of Europe?  Zelensky wanted us to let Ukraine join NATO, and Trump told him that wasn't about to happen.  So now we'll get to see how well Zelensky can fight his war as he goes hat in hand to every other European country and watch as THEY in turn slam the door in his face!  And every week, Ukraine loses more men, more land, and more resources that will only benefit Russia whenever that pipsqueak Zelensky finally agrees to end the war.

Now tell me, since you support him so strongly, do you also agree with Zelensky when he says that the US MUST send troops to Ukraine to fight his war as well?


 

Zeets2 » 50 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

50 minutes ago

Very simple!
Trump wanted him to commit to a cease fire and a peace deal.  Zelensky wanted no part of that, he wanted his gravy train of US taxpayer billions to continue so he could pad his $60 million dollar a year salary and his half-billion dollars of net worth.

And Biden or Harris would have continued to throw our money at him, providing he kicked back tens of millions to Biden and his junkie son and his entire corrupt family.  Or do you believe those 20 secret off-shore bank accounts with tens of millions in them were earned with legitimate businesses?

the whole thing was designed so that when zelinski did not sign the paper trump and vance could start yelling zelinksy did not want peace and all the trump supporters would swallow it hook line and sinker.

JohnnyYou » 46 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

46 minutes ago

And all you  are in Piss In The Wisdom.

Like A cigarette butt in the wind.. All we is are butts in the wind.

I could go for some cheap sunglasses right about now funk soul brother.

But I will reserve this space for 31st arrival folded OriGagGa Lady

Being Born By the Beltway has turned out to be a curse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw

So in trying to understand your gibberish, are you saying that the 17% of Democrats who voted for Biden in 2020 who claimed they would NOT have done so if they were not lied to by Biden and the left-wing and social media that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation, when the FBI had it in their possession for over a year and had analyzed and authenticated it, then had Biden get his 50 former CIA intelligence scumbag lying "experts" to lie for him as well and confirm it?
That 17% or even half of it would have won Trump another landslide victory even despite all the additional fraud that was uncovered with the mail-in ballots and rigged voting machines in many states.
 

Zeets2 » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

The way it works is that you obtain a cease fire first, and that shows you're making a commitment to negotiating an agreement that both can live with.  And the big stumbling block for Zelensky was that he wanted the gravy train of more billions to keep flowing to him from the US, regardless of the fact that they couldn't tell Trump where the tens of billions of the dollars that Biden had stupidly given them that were lost!  Are you unaware that even before the war that Ukraine was the most corrupt country in all of Europe?  Zelensky wanted us to let Ukraine join NATO, and Trump told him that wasn't about to happen.  So now we'll get to see how well Zelensky can fight his war as he goes hat in hand to every other European country and watch as THEY in turn slam the door in his face!  And every week, Ukraine loses more men, more land, and more resources that will only benefit Russia whenever that pipsqueak Zelensky finally agrees to end the war.

Now tell me, since you support him so strongly, do you also agree with Zelensky when he says that the US MUST send troops to Ukraine to fight his war as well?

nope. no such thing, 

----------------------------------------------------------------he US vice-president, J.D. Vance, recently told Fox News that “the very best security guarantee” to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine again was “to give Americans economic upside in the future of Ukraine”.The implication is that the much-debated minerals deal, in which an investment fund managed by Kyiv and Washington would receive revenue from Ukraine’s natural resources, would create American economic interests in Ukraine. American security interests, it is suggested, could soon follow.Vance’s comments came with the deal hanging in the balance. A meeting at the White House on February 28, where the deal was expected to be signed, turned into a shouting match between Vance, the US president, Donald Trump, and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky.

---------------------------- the stupidest  thing I ever heard.

jerrab » 14 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

14 minutes ago

the whole thing was designed so that when zelinski did not sign the paper trump and vance could start yelling zelinksy did not want peace and all the trump supporters would swallow it hook line and sinker.

First, learn to spell the idiot's name correctly, OK?  It's ZELENSKY.
And regardless of ANY useless "guarantee", there is nothing that could be in the final agreement that would have placed any value on a worthless promise from Russia that YOU seem to think would have made it palatable.  Zelensky has stated publicly that he wanted the US to also defend Ukraine with US troops, which wasn't about to happen under any circumstances.

Would YOU have gone along with that demand?
 

No such guarantee has yet been made, although the published text says the US supports "Ukraine's efforts to obtain security guarantees to build lasting peace".

Trump has suggested the presence of US contractors in Ukraine would act as a security guarantee, but responsibility for Ukraine's security would now fall to Europe.

The prospect of a minerals deal was first proposed by Zelensky last year as a way to offer the US a tangible reason to continue supporting Ukraine.

Trump initially said Ukraine would get "the right to fight on" in return for access to its minerals, but in the days after the spat in Washington he paused all US military aid to Ukraine.

Zeets2 » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

16 minutes ago

First, learn to spell the idiot's name correctly, OK?  It's ZELENSKY.
And regardless of ANY useless "guarantee", there is nothing that could be in the final agreement that would have placed any value on a worthless promise from Russia that YOU seem to think would have made it palatable.  Zelensky has stated publicly that he wanted the US to also defend Ukraine with US troops, which wasn't about to happen under any circumstances.

Would YOU have gone along with that demand?

link?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-v ... 3661209159

jerrab » 30 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

30 minutes ago

nope. no such thing, 

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https://theconversation.com/why-a-us-mi ... ion-251436

The US vice-president, J.D. Vance, recently told Fox News that “the very best security guarantee” to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine again was “to give Americans economic upside in the future of Ukraine”.The implication is that the much-debated minerals deal, in which an investment fund managed by Kyiv and Washington would receive revenue from Ukraine’s natural resources, would create American economic interests in Ukraine. American security interests, it is suggested, could soon follow.Vance’s comments came with the deal hanging in the balance. A meeting at the White House on February 28, where the deal was expected to be signed, turned into a shouting match between Vance, the US president, Donald Trump, and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky.

---------------------------- the stupidest  thing I ever heard.-----------------------

No, huh?
Obviously, you're not as well informed on the midget's demands as you claim to be.
Read this, genius:

Zelensky Says US Troops Must Be Deployed To Ukraine for Peace Deal
The Ukrainian leader wants 200,000 Western troops in Ukraine
by Dave DeCamp January 22, 2025 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that US troops must be included in a Western peacekeeping force that he wants deployed to Ukraine as part of a potential peace deal with Russia.

So now that you've climbed so far out on that limb, let's hear how you think Trump deserves ANY blame for not getting a peace deal done!

And just as importantly, Zelensky refuses to take NATO membership for Ukraine off the table, despite being told by Trump repeatedly that this was not going to happen.

'I will not take NATO membership for Ukraine off the table' - Zelensky
Story by Vladyslava Kovalenko

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy spoke at the 2025 Munich Security Conference. He stated that Ukraine will not remove its NATO membership from the table in negotiations.

And of course, that's the result of having a demented moron like Biden telling Zelensky that joining NATO is up to Ukraine:

Biden assures Zelensky that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands, Kyiv says
Reuters, By Matthias Williams and Natalia Zinets  December 9, 2021

KYIV, Dec 9 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden assured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that Kyiv's bid to join the NATO military alliance was in its own hands, Zelenskiy's chief of staff said after the two leaders spoke on Thursday.

"President Biden said very clearly that the decision on Ukraine's accession to NATO is the decision of the Ukrainian people only, this is a sovereign and independent Ukrainian state," he said.

Yup, THOSE were the words of the liberal idiot that fools like YOU supported, isn't it?
And there is no doubt that had Kamaltoe won, she stupidly would have CONTINUED paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year from US taxpayers!
Do you deny that?
 
 

Zeets2 » 32 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

32 minutes ago

No, huh?
Obviously, you're not as well informed on the midget's demands as you claim to be.
Read this, genius:

So now that you've climbed so far out on that limb, let's hear how you think Trump deserves ANY blame for not getting a peace deal done!

And just as importantly, Zelensky refuses to take NATO membership for Ukraine off the table, despite being told by Trump repeatedly that this was not going to happen.

And of course, that's the result of having a demented moron like Biden telling Zelensky that joining NATO is up to Ukraine:

Yup, THOSE were the words of the liberal idiot that fools like YOU supported, isn't it?
And there is no doubt that had Kamaltoe won, she stupidly would have CONTINUED paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year from US taxpayers!
Do you deny that?

nothing about soldiers

Zeets2 » 37 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

37 minutes ago

No, huh?
Obviously, you're not as well informed on the midget's demands as you claim to be.
Read this, genius:

So now that you've climbed so far out on that limb, let's hear how you think Trump deserves ANY blame for not getting a peace deal done!

And just as importantly, Zelensky refuses to take NATO membership for Ukraine off the table, despite being told by Trump repeatedly that this was not going to happen.

And of course, that's the result of having a demented moron like Biden telling Zelensky that joining NATO is up to Ukraine:

Yup, THOSE were the words of the liberal idiot that fools like YOU supported, isn't it?
And there is no doubt that had Kamaltoe won, she stupidly would have CONTINUED paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year from US taxpayers!
Do you deny that?

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https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraine ... ining-nato

Last month he offered to yield his office if doing so would win alliance approval. After his clash with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office, Zelensky declared: “If we cannot be accepted to NATO, we need some clear structure of security guarantees from our allies in the U.S.”