Liberal Forum

Huey » 13 Oct 2014 10:24 am » wrote: Those are not the true liberals spin the context of the current discussion.

Absolutely true.

Today's "liberals" are yesterday's Radical Leftists/ Socialists.

Stunning that they don't know that about themselves.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 10:26 am » wrote: Absolutely true.

Today's "liberals" are yesterday's Radical Leftists/ Socialists.

Stunning that they don't know that about themselves.

No Rich. It's stunning that you are so ignorant about liberals.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 8:57 am » wrote: Ignoring the fact that Nixon governed as a liberal, especially on economic policy.

Which is why he was a failure on domestic policy and why public sentiment allowed Dems to unethically drive him from office.
Oh, he'll be back in November, trust me.

Nixon was actually one of our best presidents, until he lied about his own men breaking into Watergate.

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:26 am » wrote:Nixon was actually one of our best presidents, until he lied about his own men breaking into Watergate.

Other than the minor fact that Nixon was horrendous on the economy and the expansion of government.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 11:29 am » wrote: Other than the minor fact that Nixon was horrendous on the economy and the expansion of government.

He got us out of Vietnam and established diplomatic relations with China. Practically every president that followed him admitted seeking his counsel on various items.

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:35 am » wrote: He got us out of Vietnam and established diplomatic relations with China. Practically every president that followed him admitted seeking his counsel on various items.

Yes, on foreign policy he was quite good.

I was referring to his disastrous domestic policies.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 11:36 am » wrote: Yes, on foreign policy he was quite good.

I was referring to his disastrous domestic policies.

Leaving Vietnam was a major accomplishment. He did what other presidents couldn't do. What exactly did he do that damaged the economy?

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:38 am » wrote: Leaving Vietnam was a major accomplishment. He did what other presidents couldn't do. What exactly did he do that damaged the economy?

Uh, "leaving Vietnam" was only an achievement if we saved South Vietnam, but it was liberal Dems who abandoned them, resulting in the deaths of perhaps a million people.

On the economy, Nixon began by dealing with the mess LBJ left behind by taking us off the gold standard, then following inevitable disastrous policies like wage-price controls, etc.

Allowing huge new bureaucracies to be started like the EPA.

And much else.

He governed like a liberal, which is why he was such a disaster.

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:26 am » wrote:
Nixon was actually one of our best presidents, until he lied about his own men breaking into Watergate.

He started the horrendous war on drugs, which imo is more costly over time than Vietnam.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 11:45 am » wrote: Uh, "leaving Vietnam" was only an achievement if we saved South Vietnam, but it was liberal Dems who abandoned them, resulting in the deaths of perhaps a million people.

On the economy, Nixon began by dealing with the mess LBJ left behind by taking us off the gold standard, then following inevitable disastrous policies like wage-price controls, etc.

Allowing huge new bureaucracies to be started like the EPA.

And much else.

He governed like a liberal, which is why he was such a disaster.

That was the problem. We weren't saving South Vietnam, We were feeding the conflict with the lives of our own men. Nixon was the one that said enough. This is why we shouldn't never invaded Iraq because it has become another Vietnam.

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:51 am » wrote:That was the problem. We weren't saving South Vietnam, We were feeding the conflict with the lives of our own men. Nixon was the one that said enough. This is why we shouldn't never invaded Iraq because it has become another Vietnam.

Sorry, I don't have time to explain my version.

We didn't "invade," but we never should have fought the war primarily with our own troops.

So here is how you know someone iisNOT a liberal...they argue for obamacare but against citizens United. Obama care IS citizens United

Cannonpointer » 13 Oct 2014 1:02 am » wrote:

Did you kill liberalism too? How abount Kenny.......you bastard!

Annoyed Liberall » 13 Oct 2014 9:03 am » wrote:Most people don't understand true conservatism and true liberalism. The terms have been bastardized by hate politics. A true liberal is also conservative.

True dat!

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 9:18 am » wrote:

She ain't crazy, she spoke truth. Liberals are more fiscally conservative than conservatives.

bigsky » 13 Oct 2014 9:34 am » wrote:The definition of lliberal is quite simple...live free, and mind your own business. Conservatism means the same thing...constitutionality...I feel the difference between the two originally centered around spending money.

Conservatives are a bit too fascist on social issues to be the same as true liberals.

TotallyRad » 13 Oct 2014 11:51 am » wrote: That was the problem. We weren't saving South Vietnam, We were feeding the conflict with the lives of our own men. Nixon was the one that said enough. This is why we shouldn't never invaded Iraq because it has become another Vietnam.

Of course we were trying to save South Vietnam, as well the rest of Asia and ultimately the West.


Have you no idea the record of Communism?

Cedarswamp » 13 Oct 2014 1:46 pm » wrote: She ain't crazy, she spoke truth. Liberals are more fiscally conservative than conservatives.

Yeah, and the sky is green.

RichClem » 13 Oct 2014 2:10 pm » wrote:
Yeah, and the sky is green.

I'm not sure what color the sky is in your alternate universe.

Cedarswamp » 13 Oct 2014 2:41 pm » wrote: I'm not sure what color the sky is in your alternate universe.

Look, when liberals abide by their Big Government philosophy as they clearly have under Obama, spending goes up, restrained by Repubs, if they abide by their small government principles.

Only when Repubs go Beltway and violate their principles as they did under Bush does spending go up.