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HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 6:41 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 6:41 am

So the accused assassin of the president was told he could not have a lawyer?

I hope you don't believe that cause it's a lie.

nope. I heard him say it to reporters.

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 6:33 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 6:33 am

Oswald wanted John Abt in NY
 
You're simply wrong 
He was offered numerous lawyers but refused.

 You appear to bring up everything in Stone's movie.
Most of it has been debunked

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https://www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald_ref ... ounsel.htm


Lee Harvey Oswald claimed that the Dallas Police would not let him
have a lawyer. He repeatedly asked for "someone to come forward and
give me legal assistance". Nearly every single time he appeared before
reporters, he lamented about not having counsel on his behalf.

At the same time, the Dallas authorities were telling different
stories to those who came forward in response to Oswald's pleas. One
version was that Oswald had not asked for a lawyer. A second version
was that Oswald had declined any and all legal assistance, save for
one attorney named John Abt from New York.

While Oswald did express a preference for Abt, he also requested a
second choice --- any lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU did attempt to make contact with Oswald, but its
representatives were discouraged from doing so.
 
 

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 6:47 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 6:47 am

nope. I heard him say it to reporters.

Yeah 
He said that

However, the police and the DA said they repeatedly asked him if he wanted a lawyer.
They offered numerous local lawyers but he claimed he wanted John Abt in NY

I believe the police and DA

 

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 6:49 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 6:49 am

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https://www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald_ref ... ounsel.htm

Lee Harvey Oswald claimed that the Dallas Police would not let him
have a lawyer. He repeatedly asked for "someone to come forward and
give me legal assistance". Nearly every single time he appeared before
reporters, he lamented about not having counsel on his behalf.

At the same time, the Dallas authorities were telling different
stories to those who came forward in response to Oswald's pleas. One
version was that Oswald had not asked for a lawyer. A second version
was that Oswald had declined any and all legal assistance, save for
one attorney named John Abt from New York.

While Oswald did express a preference for Abt, he also requested a
second choice --- any lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU did attempt to make contact with Oswald, but its
representatives were discouraged from doing so.

Do you really believe that the DA and detectives told him he was not allowed a lawyer?

Obviously he was lying.

The biggest crime of the century and the DA tells him you're not allowed a lawyer?
You actually believe this?


 

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 4:49 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 4:49 am

What in the last frame suggests it wasn't the same bullet?

the shot to kennedy's head came from up above, not from connolly.

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 7:03 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 7:03 am

Do you really believe that the DA and detectives told him he was not allowed a lawyer?

Obviously he was lying.

The biggest crime of the century and the DA tells him you're not allowed a lawyer?
You actually believe this?

https://youtu.be/4FDDuRSgzFk?si=BjnHwU20ZfuJsZP0
 
 

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 7:29 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 7:29 am

https://youtu.be/4FDDuRSgzFk?si=BjnHwU20ZfuJsZP0

So Oswald wasn't allowed a lawyer?

And you believe him?

And when he said "I didn't shoot anyone" do you believe him?

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 7:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 7:35 am

So Oswald wasn't allowed a lawyer?

And you believe him?

And when he said "I didn't shoot anyone" do you believe him?

https://youtu.be/Ss8XOQD1hEE?si=AMWOUSnMUMSkEkj9

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 7:52 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 7:52 am

https://youtu.be/Ss8XOQD1hEE?si=AMWOUSnMUMSkEkj9

It's very easy to find videos from conspiracy groups.

I originally thought it was.

Now after reading the evidence and not "speculation ' I changed .
Case Closed is the best book about the crime.






 

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 7:52 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 7:52 am

https://youtu.be/Ss8XOQD1hEE?si=AMWOUSnMUMSkEkj9

I even thought if you're shot in the back you'd go forward.
And then experts came forward.....

The movie JFK was about the worst movie possible...

 

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:02 am

I even thought if you're shot in the back you'd go forward.
And then experts came forward.....

The movie JFK was about the worst movie possible...

https://youtu.be/TUEC5PLtwJ0?si=AHN1PBByOOvixO6b

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:05 am

https://youtu.be/TUEC5PLtwJ0?si=AHN1PBByOOvixO6b

Saw that...

He says there were 4 shooters there that day.

And with Oswald we're up to 7 bullets
 

jerrab » 22 Mar 2025, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:05 am

https://youtu.be/TUEC5PLtwJ0?si=AHN1PBByOOvixO6b

Did you watch it?

The same stuff over and over

We're up to about 300 people being part of the cover up
 

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:14 am

Did you watch it?

The same stuff over and over

We're up to about 300 people being part of the cover up

I posted that video because of what the guy says about getting shot in the back. 

kennedy was shot from the front behind the sign.

https://youtu.be/_zwG3QdPLfw?si=H238RmPqYzWpZRTB

JohnnyYou » 22 Mar 2025, 6:11 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 6:11 am

As I understand some of it. Lady Bird Johnson owned Rubber Plantations in Vietnam.  We were building cars with tires at a full steam rate.  Losing the rubber would put a pothole on the path to prosperity getting America rolling.

I have not ever been impressed with News Smax.. Higbie appears to be sane.

I try to spread my inputs around. I'm not wedded to any one thing.
In fact, when I see people stick with the same source again and again, I am suspect of their basic smarts.
There are a few like that here. Annoyingly overconfident in their assessment of others.

Grain of salt comes to mind...
 

DeezerShoove » 22 Mar 2025, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:48 am

I try to spread my inputs around. I'm not wedded to any one thing.
In fact, when I see people stick with the same source again and again, I am suspect of their basic smarts.
There are a few like that here. Annoyingly overconfident in their assessment of others.

Grain of salt comes to mind...

You are one of the few here who can consider both sides of the equation.  @Cannon Pointer   shows promise but seems focused on the wrong solutions.
 
 

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:14 am

Did you watch it?

The same stuff over and over

We're up to about 300 people being part of the cover up

3.25

https://youtu.be/Ss8XOQD1hEE?si=UGYuF1IhO4z71Un2

HarperLee » 22 Mar 2025, 8:00 am » wrote: ↑

22 Mar 2025, 8:00 am

It's very easy to find videos from conspiracy groups.

I originally thought it was.

Now after reading the evidence and not "speculation ' I changed .
Case Closed is the best book about the crime.

connolly's testimony in the hospital.

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we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right 132
shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except, just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately-the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt. So I looked, failing to see him. I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back/////////////////////////

all that would have taken at least 50 seconds. if the same bullet hit connolly he would have felt it immediately/ not have time to turn around and look around his right shoulder and then look around his left shoulder.
 

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https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/

@Sumela  did you see this article?



----------------------10/31/1962Assistant Attorney General and Director of the Internal Security Division J. Walter Yeagley notifies Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy "...we are soliciting next week the registration of the American Zionist Council under the Foreign Agents Registration Act...You may be aware that the American Zionist Council is composed of representatives of the various Zionist organizations in the United States including the Zionist Organization of America.