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HarperLee » Today, 7:55 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 7:55 am

There's people that claimed they heard 4 shots
Some say 2
Others say echoes

-----------------------------------Among the myriad JFK assassination controversies, none more cleanly divides Warren Commission supporter from skeptic than the “Single Bullet Theory.” The brainchild of a former Warren Commission lawyer, Mr. Arlen Specter, now the senior Senator from Pennsylvania, the theory is the sine qua non of the Warren Commission’s case that with but three shots, including one that missed, Lee Harvey Oswald had single handedly altered the course of history. [Fig. 1]Mr. Specter’s hypothesis was not one that immediately leapt to mind from the original evidence and the circumstances of the shooting. It was, rather, born of necessity, if one sees as a necessity the keeping of Oswald standing alone in the dock. The theory had to contend with the considerable evidence there was suggesting that more than one shooter was involved.For example, because the two victims in Dealey Plaza, President Kennedy and Governor John Connally, had suffered so many wounds – eight in all, it had originally seemed as if more than two slugs from the supposed “sniper’s nest” would have been necessary to explain all the damage. In addition, a home movie taken by a bystander, Abraham Zapruder, showed that too little time had elapsed between the apparent shots that hit both men in the back for Oswald to have fired, reacquired his target, and fired again. The Single Bullet Theory neatly solved both problems. It posited that a single, nearly whole bullet that was later recovered had caused all seven of the non-fatal wounds sustained by both men.[1]

///////But the bullet that was recovered had one strikingly peculiar feature: it had survived all the damage it had apparently caused virtually unscathed itself. The shell’s near-pristine appearance, which prompted some to call it the “magic bullet,” left many skeptics wondering whether the bullet in evidence had really done what the Commission had said it had done. Additional skepticism was generated by the fact the bullet was not found in or around either victim. It was found instead on a stretcher at the hospital where the victims were treated.

Mr. Specter’s idea was that, after passing completely through JFK and Governor Connally, the bullet had fallen out of the Governor’s clothes and onto a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. But it was never unequivocally established that either victim had ever lain on the stretcher where the bullet was discovered.[2] Nevertheless, studies done at the FBI Laboratory seemed to unquestionably link the missile to Oswald’s rifle, and the FBI sent the Warren Commission a memo on July 7, 1964 detailing how it had run down the bullet’s chain of possession, which looked pretty solid. According to the FBI, the two hospital employees who discovered the bullet originally identified it as the same bullet six months later in an FBI interview

jerrab » Today, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:05 am

he was right there, he was shot too. he knows better than you.

And the Warren Commission knows better than you ..
 

The Warren Commission concluded what ...??

Just wondering

It's been over 60 years
The HAC felt there was a conspiracy but most of the information they had was flawed...

HarperLee » 16 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

16 minutes ago

And the Warren Commission knows better than you ..

it was a pack of lies.

jerrab » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

it was a pack of lies.

But you refer to them....??

Didn't Connelly testify?
Was he lying?
 

HarperLee » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

And the Warren Commission knows better than you ..

no way one bullet hit both kennedy and connolly.

kennedy was shot behind the sign and then connolly gets shot and kennedy gets shot again with a different bullet that shot connolly.


https://youtu.be/_zwG3QdPLfw?si=O6ecW8xm8DM5ILDE

HarperLee » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

But you refer to them....??

Didn't Connelly testify?
Was he lying?

he said there was a third shot.

jerrab » 2 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

2 minutes ago

he said there was a third shot.

And so did Warren Commission 
 

jerrab » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

no way one bullet hit both kennedy and connolly.

kennedy was shot behind the sign and then connolly gets shot and kennedy gets shot again with a different bullet that shot connolly.

https://youtu.be/_zwG3QdPLfw?si=O6ecW8xm8DM5ILDE

Do you even realize it's very possible for one bullet to go through a body and end up in another person.

It's happened in combat plenty of times.
 

HarperLee » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

Do you even realize it's very possible for one bullet to go through a body and end up in another person.

It's happened in combat plenty of times.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk ... nnally.pdf


we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right 132
 

jerrab » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk ... nnally.pdf

we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right 132

And?

Connelly said 3 shots
So did Warren

And they concluded Oswald made three shots 
 

HarperLee » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

Do you even realize it's very possible for one bullet to go through a body and end up in another person.

It's happened in combat plenty of times.

The amazing thing is a pristine bullet, fired at ballistic speed slowed to a stop in a few inches and had no sign of even being fired. I don't know that experts could accomplish that in a lab. Deformation and/or scratches would be present. Quite amazing that people bought that ****.

HarperLee » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

And?

Connelly said 3 shots
So did Warren

And they concluded Oswald made three shots

no way could he have shot that fast.

ernor C~~~AI.LY. It n-as a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don’t know. 10, 12 seconds. It xvas extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that \vhoerer was firing must be firing with an automatic riile because of the rapidity of the shots ; a very short period of time. Mr. SPECTER. What was your impression then as to the source of the shot? Governor COSSALLY. From back over my right shoulder which, again, was where immediately when I heard the first shot I identified the sound as coming back over my right shoulder. Mr. SPECTER. At an elevation? Governor COSXALLY. At an elevation. I would have guessed at an elevation. Mr. SPECTER. Excuse me. Governor COXSALLY. Veil, that is all. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have an impression as to the source of the third shot? Governor CONNALLY. The same. I would say the same. Mr. SPECTER. How fast was the President’s automobile proceeding at that time? Governor COSSALLY. I would guess between 20 and 22 miles an hour, and it is a guess because I didn’t look at the speedometer. but I would say in that range. Mr. SPECTER. Did President Kennedy make any statement during the time of the shooting or immediately prior thereto? Governor COS?JALL~. He never uttered a sound at all that I heard. Mr. SPECTER. Did Mrs. Kennedy state anything at that time? Governor COSSALLY. Yes; I have to-1 would say it was after the third shot

DeezerShoove » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

15 minutes ago

The amazing thing is a pristine bullet, fired at ballistic speed slowed to a stop in a few inches and had no sign of even being fired. I don't know that experts could accomplish that in a lab. Deformation and/or scratches would be present. Quite amazing that people bought that ****.

Think ..
You are murdering a sitting president and there's numerous people and agencies involved.

Why leave behind a pristine bullet?
 
 

DeezerShoove » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

15 minutes ago

The amazing thing is a pristine bullet, fired at ballistic speed slowed to a stop in a few inches and had no sign of even being fired. I don't know that experts could accomplish that in a lab. Deformation and/or scratches would be present. Quite amazing that people bought that ****.

This would mean that the Secret Service agent who found the bullet was lying too?
 

HarperLee » 21 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

21 minutes ago

And?

Connelly said 3 shots
So did Warren

And they concluded Oswald made three shots

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described? Governor CONYALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this-that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed. because of the amount of blood, and. in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest, that I had probably been fatally hit. So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began &--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open ; a

HarperLee » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

This would mean that the Secret Service agent who found the bullet was lying too?

What lie? He found a bullet.
Where's the lie? Please explain.

jerrab » 11 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

11 minutes ago

no way could he have shot that fast.

ernor C~~~AI.LY. It n-as a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don’t know. 10, 12 seconds. It xvas extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that \vhoerer was firing must be firing with an automatic riile because of the rapidity of the shots ; a very short period of time. Mr. SPECTER. What was your impression then as to the source of the shot? Governor COSSALLY. From back over my right shoulder which, again, was where immediately when I heard the first shot I identified the sound as coming back over my right shoulder. Mr. SPECTER. At an elevation? Governor COSXALLY. At an elevation. I would have guessed at an elevation. Mr. SPECTER. Excuse me. Governor COXSALLY. Veil, that is all. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have an impression as to the source of the third shot? Governor CONNALLY. The same. I would say the same. Mr. SPECTER. How fast was the President’s automobile proceeding at that time? Governor COSSALLY. I would guess between 20 and 22 miles an hour, and it is a guess because I didn’t look at the speedometer. but I would say in that range. Mr. SPECTER. Did President Kennedy make any statement during the time of the shooting or immediately prior thereto? Governor COS?JALL~. He never uttered a sound at all that I heard. Mr. SPECTER. Did Mrs. Kennedy state anything at that time? Governor COSSALLY. Yes; I have to-1 would say it was after the third shot

Ever notice?

Every argument brings in more liars and more people involved in the conspiracy.
 

HarperLee » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

And?

Connelly said 3 shots
So did Warren

And they concluded Oswald made three shots

Governor Connally? Governor CONNALLY. The second one. Mr. SPECTER. And what is your reason for that conclusion, sir? Governor CONNALLY. Well, in my judgment, it just couldn’t conceivably have been the first one because I heard the sound of the shot. In the first place, I don’t know anything about the velocity of this particular bullet, but any ritle has a velocity that exceeds the speed of sound, and when I heard the sound of that first