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jerrab » 21 Apr 2025, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2025, 6:23 pm

Trump has the right to ask and insist anything he wants.  After all, Trump is an American Citizen and as such unquestionably has the right to express himself and speak freely. However, I think if Trump threatens to withhold money to force a school or university to regulate speech, this would be a violation of the 1st Amendment and possibly even other laws.  Now, if he threatens to withhold money to safeguard a religious group from violence on their campuses, I do not see this as regulation of free speech.  Honestly, I'm not sure what it is or how it would be viewed from a Constitutional perspective.  I'm open to reading intelligent opinions about this.////
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trump has cut off funds colleges when students complain about israel bombing gaza, any student. not just ones on visas.

Like I told Cannonpointer, I don't care if Trump cut off FEDERAL FUNDS to Ivy League Huge-Endowment scammer-institutions, like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or even the highly esteemed East LA Community College.  It's about F-ing time!  I would not only cut off Harvard's funding, but I'd pass a law that revokes tax free status for college endowments, and allow them to be taxed at some reasonable rate.

Fact: Harvard is and has always been a private college/university

Fact:  Harvard has an endowment of $51,000,000,000.  All of it accumulated tax-free. This is enough money to enroll over 1 Million Students annually free of charge. But, Harvard doesn't do that.  It only has 20,000 students, and only 50% receive financial aid to reduce, or in rare cases eliminate tuition.  That means that Harvard's endowment pays out less than $500,000,000 for student tuition every year.  That's less than 0.1% of its endowment annually, which makes between 4%-12% annually on its investments.

Fact: **** Harvard.  And, **** all of you whiny little bitches who complain about OUR TAX DOLLARS no longer going straight into Harvard's uber-wealthy coffers.
 
 
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 7:18 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 7:18 am

Starting trouble as an invitee on a visa is a far cry different from being deported for wrongthink.

I've already said what I have to say about Trump's actions. You can respond intelligently to them, or you can blather on about Trump, "fellate", "israel's bitch", rubio riding a dick, hating jews and ***, etc.

As for Apartheid in South Africa - I was 100% for it.  It worked and worked well for South Africa.  Much much better than what they have now.  When your GLOBALISTS started protesting here in the US about how South Africa ran its country, I treated them about as well as the Vietnam protesters treated our Military.  And, that's all I have to say about that.

Like I said, I'm not into debates over definitions.  That's a circle-jerk I've never been much interested in. I really don't care who "defines" what.  I know what a girl is.  I know what a boy is.  I know what a fruitcake is.  And, I know what a semite is. 

As for Harvard, I'm glad Trump cut off billions from Harvard.  Go back and look at some of my topics (some of which were in the "other" forum).  I've been **** on Harvard for about a decade now. If Trump cut off the government's money supply to Harvard (and other Ivy League Huge endowment scammers) simply because he doesn't like green eggs and ham, I'd be thrilled.

Going back to what I POSTED in response to one of your posts in this thread, I was discussing, and thought we were discussing, what Trump could do and what he cannot do from a Constitutional perspective. In that regard, I did not get much in the way of a response from you to what I actually wrote.

it is all about protecting israel and no one can complain/bitch about the slaughter going on in gaza. also in the warren commission any mention of israel is redacted. why? and why is israel even mentioned in the warren commission? kennedy wanted to stop the flow of money to US politicians who to this dqy receive millions of dollars from israel, something that kennedy wanted to stop.

I brought up the jfk thread and the video is in one of the last posts and I put the time where israel is mentioned. if you want to absolve israel, be my guest.

my comment there------

any mention of israel is redacted.
 

Cannonpointer » 18 Apr 2025, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Apr 2025, 9:16 pm

She makes the case well, and I mistook you for someone interested in conservative voices. I should have assumed you were more of a little bennie shapiro kinda guy. 

He is punishing universities for allowing free speech and requiring them to censor students, or lose funding. For a more precise explanation, watch the **** video - I ain't writing five paragraphs for you to ignore.

ben stiller a jewish actor, this took guts-----
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https://time.com/6989720/israel-hamas-w ... ler-essay/

I stand with the Israeli people and their right to live in peace and safety. At the same time, I don’t agree with all of the Israeli government’s choices on how they are conducting the war. I want the violence to end, and the innocent Palestinian people affected by the humanitarian crisis that has resulted to receive the lifesaving aid they need. And I know that many in Israel share this sentiment.I believe, as many people in Israel and around the world do, in the need for a two-state solution, one that ensures that the Israeli people can live in peace and safety alongside a homeland for the Palestinian people that provides them the same benefits.///////////////////
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jews should be able to speak against the israeli government in america without threats, also in israel.  it is not anti-Semitic to complain about the continued bombings.en
 

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 8:43 am

it is all about protecting israel and no one can complain/bitch about the slaughter going on in gaza. also in the warren commission any mention of israel is redacted.

Lots of people complain/bitch about Israel killing Hamas.  As for American Citizens, I haven't seen any crackdown on freedom of speech.  As for Palestinian Muslims who come to this country to "protest" - F-em.  I don't give a **** about the rights of Palestinian nationals.  For that matter, I don't give a **** about the rights of an Israeli citizen who comes over here to start **** either.  And, before you say "but, but, but DUAL CITIZENSHIP", I say get rid of that ****.  No dual citizenship for ANYONE.

As for the "slaughter" going on in Gaza, Gazans are the cause of their own demise.  They get no sympathy from me at all. I believe that any country that is attacked by another country, people, terrorists, etc. they have the absolute right to exterminate, to not decimate but eradicate, to cleanse, to kill each and every person in the attacking country.  And, then take that land and all of the resources that go with it.  W. A. R.  Windfalls.  Annihilation.  Ruination.  Pick a war with someone, be prepared to lose everything.  That's the nature of war.

You and your pacifists have tried to redefine war.  Targeted strikes.  No civilian casualties.  No spoils to the victor.  Proportionality.  These are all woke, queer, weak, simpish, ****.  This philosophy of yours leads to perpetual wars, to the enriching of the military industrial complex - no one ever really wins....or loses. I don't subscribe to your pacifistic view of WAR. 

 
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:11 am

Lots of people complain/bitch about Israel killing Hamas.  As for American Citizens, I haven't seen any crackdown on freedom of speech.  As for Palestinian Muslims who come to this country to "protest" - F-em.  I don't give a **** about the rights of Palestinian nationals.  For that matter, I don't give a **** about the rights of an Israeli citizen who comes over here to start **** either.  And, before you say "but, but, but DUAL CITIZENSHIP", I say get rid of that ****.  No dual citizenship for ANYONE.

As for the "slaughter" going on in Gaza, Gazans are the cause of their own demise.  They get no sympathy from me at all. I believe that any country that is attacked by another country, people, terrorists, etc. they have the absolute right to exterminate, to not decimate but eradicate, to cleanse, to kill each and every person in the attacking country.  And, then take that land and all of the resources that go with it.  W. A. R.  Windfalls.  Annihilation.  Ruination.  Pick a war with someone, be prepared to lose everything.  That's the nature of war.

You and your pacifists have tried to redefine war.  Targeted strikes.  No civilian casualties.  No spoils to the victor.  Proportionality.  These are all woke, queer, weak, simpish, ****.  This philosophy of yours leads to perpetual wars, to the enriching of the military industrial complex - no one ever really wins....or loses. I don't subscribe to your pacifistic view of WAR.

by allowing israel to  treat palastians like **** is what prolongs the war. before 10/7 israel evicted hundreds of palestianians from their homes, biden said nothing and continued to give billions of dollars to israel which was against the leahly law. trump continues the same path.

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:11 am

Lots of people complain/bitch about Israel killing Hamas.  As for American Citizens, I haven't seen any crackdown on freedom of speech.  As for Palestinian Muslims who come to this country to "protest" - F-em.  I don't give a **** about the rights of Palestinian nationals.  For that matter, I don't give a **** about the rights of an Israeli citizen who comes over here to start **** either.  And, before you say "but, but, but DUAL CITIZENSHIP", I say get rid of that ****.  No dual citizenship for ANYONE.

As for the "slaughter" going on in Gaza, Gazans are the cause of their own demise.  They get no sympathy from me at all. I believe that any country that is attacked by another country, people, terrorists, etc. they have the absolute right to exterminate, to not decimate but eradicate, to cleanse, to kill each and every person in the attacking country.  And, then take that land and all of the resources that go with it.  W. A. R.  Windfalls.  Annihilation.  Ruination.  Pick a war with someone, be prepared to lose everything.  That's the nature of war.

You and your pacifists have tried to redefine war.  Targeted strikes.  No civilian casualties.  No spoils to the victor.  Proportionality.  These are all woke, queer, weak, simpish, ****.  This philosophy of yours leads to perpetual wars, to the enriching of the military industrial complex - no one ever really wins....or loses. I don't subscribe to your pacifistic view of WAR.

from ben stiller's comments
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. And I know that many in Israel share this sentiment.I believe, as many people in Israel and around the world do, in the need for a two-state solution, one that ensures that the Israeli people can live in peace and safety alongside a homeland for the Palestinian people that provides them the same benefits.///////////////////

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the two state solution would be the way to end the wars. trump refuses like others did.it is not anti-Semitic to want a two state solution.
 
 

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:34 am

by allowing israel to  treat palastians like **** is what prolongs the war.

Israel is a soverign nation. It can fight its wars anyway it wants.  Who do you think is "allowing" Israel to do anything.  And, as for a country that waged war on it, I've already said that I philosophically believe that Israel has the right to mow them all down and take their land - so long as they can defend the land they've taken.  Otherwise, some bigger badder country will take it away from Israel.  In any event, the war wouldn't be prolonged.  There simply would be no more Gazans to war with Israel. 

...before 10/7 israel evicted hundreds of palestianians from their homes,

Yeah, so?  I looked into this. The Palestinians were not evicted from "their" homes. These Palestinians were tenants renting from Jews who owned that land and buildings.  The Palestinians just decided to stop paying rent, so the Jew land owners brought legal proceedings to evict them. 

American land owners do the same thing every minute of every day.  Are you going to take up arms and attack me and my family (not at all involved in your eviction) because your landlord gets a court evict you from the home you rent?  Try it and see what me and my family do to you and your family! 

 
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:49 am

Israel is a soverign nation. It can fight its wars anyway it wants.  Who do you think is "allowing" Israel to do anything.  And, as for a country that waged war on it, I've already said that I philosophically believe that Israel has the right to mow them all down and take their land - so long as they can defend the land they've taken.  Otherwise, some bigger badder country will take it away from Israel.  In any event, the war wouldn't be prolonged.  There simply would be no more Gazans to war with Israel. 

Yeah, so?  I looked into this. The Palestinians were not evicted from "their" homes. These Palestinians were tenants renting from Jews who owned that land and buildings.  The Palestinians just decided to stop paying rent, so the Jew land owners brought legal proceedings to evict them. 

American land owners do the same thing every minute of every day.  Are you going to take up arms and attack me and my family (not at all involved in your eviction) because your landlord gets a court evict you from the home you rent?  Try it and see what me and my family do to you and your family! 

J-Rab believes if you get behind in your rent, it's OK to kill the landlord .
 

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:39 am

from ben stiller's comments
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. And I know that many in Israel share this sentiment.I believe, as many people in Israel and around the world do, in the need for a two-state solution, one that ensures that the Israeli people can live in peace and safety alongside a homeland for the Palestinian people that provides them the same benefits.///////////////////

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the two state solution would be the way to end the wars. trump refuses like others did.it is not anti-Semitic to want a two state solution

Ben Stiller?  He's a New York Jewish actor.  I care nothing about Ben Stiller.  For that matter, I don't really give a **** about any solution to Israel's problems.  Israel can solve its own problems.  Love the **** or kill 'em, makes no nevermind to me. I look at the situation like this.  Start **** with a stronger county, be prepared to have your *** wiped off the face of the earth. 

In case you haven't noticed, IN MY MIND, I am more concerned about how the United States wages war. We need to go back to total annihilation and the taking of the land and resources as the spoils of war.  So, if we help Ukraine with a war, we get paid back with a part of Ukraine.  If Panama decides to wage war against us, we kill who we want to kill and take what we want to take from Panama.  And, after we WIN, we CELEBRATE!!!

RebelGator » 22 Apr 2025, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 11:01 am

J-Rab believes if you get behind in your rent, it's OK to kill the landlord .

Yes, I see that.  This is how all Communists think.  They don't recognize another person's right to property they own. Communists believe the state owns everything and by grace of bureaucrats, you get to use some of the stuff you worked for and paid for. @jerra b seems to toe the Communist party line.
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 10:49 am

Israel is a soverign nation. It can fight its wars anyway it wants.  Who do you think is "allowing" Israel to do anything.  And, as for a country that waged war on it, I've already said that I philosophically believe that Israel has the right to mow them all down and take their land - so long as they can defend the land they've taken.  Otherwise, some bigger badder country will take it away from Israel.  In any event, the war wouldn't be prolonged.  There simply would be no more Gazans to war with Israel. 

Yeah, so?  I looked into this. The Palestinians were not evicted from "their" homes. These Palestinians were tenants renting from Jews who owned that land and buildings.  The Palestinians just decided to stop paying rent, so the Jew land owners brought legal proceedings to evict them. 

American land owners do the same thing every minute of every day.  Are you going to take up arms and attack me and my family (not at all involved in your eviction) because your landlord gets a court evict you from the home you rent?  Try it and see what me and my family do to you and your family! 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/57239690

The original families chosen by the UN Palestinian refugee agency (Unrwa) have now become more than 60 families that comprise over three generations of Palestinians living in Sheik Jarrah," according to a recent report by a UN special rapporteur.But after the June 1967 war, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and applied its own laws - something the UN says is illegal.
 

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 1:57 pm

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https://www.bbc.com/news/57239690

The original families chosen by the UN Palestinian refugee agency (Unrwa) have now become more than 60 families that comprise over three generations of Palestinians living in Sheik Jarrah," according to a recent report by a UN special rapporteur.But after the June 1967 war, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and applied its own laws - something the UN says is illegal.

First of all, the UN has no say in what Israel can and cannot do internally. 

Second, Unrwa - according to you, is an agency of Palestinian so-called refugees. Clearly a little bias in that agency, don't you think?  (LOL "UN special rapporteur" ) 

Third, the people who were evicted were evicted from Jew-owned buildings.  It went through the courts and, if the Palestinians could prove ownership and not a tenancy, they weren't evicted.  Those that could not prove ownership, and the land owners could prove ownership, were the ones who got evicted.  It is this **** that Hamas used as an excuse to go on a full, documented, videoed chimp-out rampage and then fire thousands of missiles into Israel.

Go look it up.  And, read about it.  Like I did. 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm

First of all, the UN has no say in what Israel can and cannot do internally. 

Second, Unrwa - according to you, is an agency of Palestinian so-called refugees. Clearly a little bias in that agency, don't you think?  (LOL "UN special rapporteur" ) 

Third, the people who were evicted were evicted from Jew-owned buildings.  It went through the courts and, if the Palestinians could prove ownership and not a tenancy, they weren't evicted.  Those that could not prove ownership, and the land owners could prove ownership, were the ones who got evicted.  It is this **** that Hamas used as an excuse to go on a full, documented, videoed chimp-out rampage and then fire thousands of missiles into Israel.

Go look it up.  And, read about it.  Like I did. iy

it was a land grab if you don't like that so what. you know more than the UN? israel courts are fixed and the rent was high to force them out. 
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm

First of all, the UN has no say in what Israel can and cannot do internally. 

Second, Unrwa - according to you, is an agency of Palestinian so-called refugees. Clearly a little bias in that agency, don't you think?  (LOL "UN special rapporteur" ) 

Third, the people who were evicted were evicted from Jew-owned buildings.  It went through the courts and, if the Palestinians could prove ownership and not a tenancy, they weren't evicted.  Those that could not prove ownership, and the land owners could prove ownership, were the ones who got evicted.  It is this **** that Hamas used as an excuse to go on a full, documented, videoed chimp-out rampage and then fire thousands of missiles into Israel.

Go look it up.  And, read about it.  Like I did.  

while you are looking up things look where israel is redacted out of the warren  report. anything about israel and the kennedy assassination is forbidden to be revealed. kennedy was trying to stop contributions to american politicians and he was killed shortly after. since than just about every leader in america receives millions of dollars from israel including donald j trump
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 12:17 pm

Yes, I see that.  This is how all Communists think.  They don't recognize another person's right to property they own. Communists believe the state owns everything and by grace of bureaucrats, you get to use some of the stuff you worked for and paid for. @jerra b seems to toe the Communist party line.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/ ... ipdetail=S

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 4:42 pm

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/ ... ipdetail=S

Point?
 

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 3:36 pm

First of all, the UN has no say in what Israel can and cannot do internally. 

Second, Unrwa - according to you, is an agency of Palestinian so-called refugees. Clearly a little bias in that agency, don't you think?  (LOL "UN special rapporteur" ) 

Third, the people who were evicted were evicted from Jew-owned buildings.  It went through the courts and, if the Palestinians could prove ownership and not a tenancy, they weren't evicted.  Those that could not prove ownership, and the land owners could prove ownership, were the ones who got evicted.  It is this **** that Hamas used as an excuse to go on a full, documented, videoed chimp-out rampage and then fire thousands of missiles into Israel.

Go look it up.  And, read about it.  Like I did.  

 

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38574694


evX101 on Dec 8, 2023 | parent | context | favorite | on: The pro-Israel information war
AIPAC itself is a result of the President Eisenhower and later Robert F Kennedy (DOJ) demanding the American Zionist Council (AZC) register as foreign agents. Because of this, the AZC rebranded to AIPAC with the same leadership and the issue seemed to have fell off the high priority political radar since.Incidentally, the founder of AIPAC, Isaiah Kenen registered twice with the U.S. Department of Justice under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) as an agent for Israel. Prior to leading AIPAC, he was the leader of the American Zionist Council. He was also chief information officer for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.AIPAC's mission is pretty clear: to promote the interests of Israel. This is fine, and not unique, but that seems to me to be the textbook definition of a foreign agent, and it should be registered as such.AIPAC has a very large budget and will be spending over $100M in 2024 to defeat any candidate for US Congress that did not align with their pro-Israel goals
 

jerrab » 22 Apr 2025, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 4:50 pm

n the 1950s President Eisenhower's administration repeatedly demanded that leaders of the American Zionist Council to register as "agents of a foreign government." to no avail. In 1959 the AZCPA rebranded into AIPAC and in November 1962 Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's Department of Justice ordered the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent under FARA because it was funded by the Jewish Agency for Israel and thereby acting on behalf of Israel; and under JFK's presidential administration; concurrent with RFK's tenure as Attorney General the department of justice repeatedly tried to get the American Zionist council registered as a foreign agent, to their refusal which ended up in a senate hearing. The DOJ gives them 72 hours to register, which was also ignored, and following JFK's assassination two weeks later, under Lyndon B. Johnson, AIPAC, separate from the AZC, is given a tax-exempt status, so now they don't need to share where they get their money from as a tax-exempt organization even from as far back as 1953. The separate AZC is dissolved in 1966.
 

         

Skans » 22 Apr 2025, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2025, 4:49 pm

Point?

Our latest analysis uncovered >$230 MILLION in spending by pro-Israel interest groups benefiting President Donald Trump since 2020. Miriam Adelson's Preserve America PAC is by far the biggest spender, pouring $215 million+ into U.S. presidential elections to help Trump.The Republican Jewish Coalition, an AIPAC ally, has spent >$14 million supporting Trump since 2020.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/miriam-adelson- gives-100-million-to-trump-campaign-making-good-on-reported-pledge/Miriam Adelson gives $100 million to Trump campaign, making good on reported pledge