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I touched upon this in one of my posts in a response to someone.  I essentially questioned why any adult would want to spend their time helping other people's mostly animal-like children learn the same old boring stuff over and over again.

One one hand, parents need people who are willing to be factory-worker style teachers to educate their children.  On the other hand, people who spend 4 years in college studying math, biology, physics, english, etc. and then get a teaching certificate on top of that have "high hopes" of being anything other than a factory worker.  There's a huge disconnect here.  In essence, these teachers-in-training have no clue what is actually expected of them in the work place.  Or, do they?

What motivates people to choose a career in teaching?

• Money - this is a key motivator for many college educated adults, but clearly not for teachers.
• Benefits - Teachers do receive fairly good benefits, but 18-20 somethings think about benefits as likely as they are to read a 1000 page book on insurance.
• Naivety - Basically stupidity.  Thinking that teaching is some glorious job, when it's actually a very boring, tedious, grind of a job.
• Easy job with lots of time off.   Essentially laziness.  Yes, I will say this is a motivator.
• Power over others.  Umm, maybe.  Perhaps that feeling of "I'm the Boss of you" motivates some to become teachers.
• Liberal Indoctrination.  Yes, I think a sizeable number of teachers want to "mold" children into embracing 0-population, marxist and socialist beliefs.
• Sex - I'm going to say "yes".  I think there is a portion of teachers who find children sexually attractive. 

Am I missing anything here?  Please let me know if I am.  So, the only noble reasons for people to pursue teaching as a career is "Naivety" and "Laziness".  Keep that in mind as you hug and kiss the little ones before they go off to school for a fun-filled 8 hours with people who fall into one of the above categories.

 
 

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am

I touched upon this in one of my posts in a response to someone.  I essentially questioned why any adult would want to spend their time helping other people's mostly animal-like children learn the same old boring stuff over and over again.

One one hand, parents need people who are willing to be factory-worker style teachers to educate their children.  On the other hand, people who spend 4 years in college studying math, biology, physics, english, etc. and then get a teaching certificate on top of that have "high hopes" of being anything other than a factory worker.  There's a huge disconnect here.  In essence, these teachers-in-training have no clue what is actually expected of them in the work place.  Or, do they?

What motivates people to choose a career in teaching?

• Money - this is a key motivator for many college educated adults, but clearly not for teachers.
• Benefits - Teachers do receive fairly good benefits, but 18-20 somethings think about benefits as likely as they are to read a 1000 page book on insurance.
• Naivety - Basically stupidity.  Thinking that teaching is some glorious job, when it's actually a very boring, tedious, grind of a job.
• Easy job with lots of time off.   Essentially laziness.  Yes, I will say this is a motivator.
• Power over others.  Umm, maybe.  Perhaps that feeling of "I'm the Boss of you" motivates some to become teachers.
• Liberal Indoctrination.  Yes, I think a sizeable number of teachers want to "mold" children into embracing 0-population, marxist and socialist beliefs.
• Sex - I'm going to say "yes".  I think there is a portion of teachers who find children sexually attractive. 

Am I missing anything here?  Please let me know if I am.  So, the only noble reasons for people to pursue teaching as a career is "Naivety" and "Laziness".  Keep that in mind as you hug and kiss the little ones before they go off to school for a fun-filled 8 hours with people who fall into one of the above categories.

It also depends on the locale.

If parents' influence local schools in a bad way (logical assumption),
then there must be places where they have a good influence.
 

DeezerShoove » 23 Apr 2025, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 1:34 pm

It also depends on the locale.

If parents' influence local schools in a bad way (logical assumption),
then there must be places where they have a good influence.

Yeah, but that doesn't get to the driving reason a college-bound kid decides to get a degree and certificate to pursue a career in education.

For me, the thought of regurgitating basic math formulas or even discussing the same old basic literature day after day with snotty middle school or high school kids who just want to know the answers for the test - freaking shoot me now!  As a teacher, if they piss me off, I can't verbally go off on them like a 1960's drill sergeant. I can't kick, punch or beat 'em with a baseball bat. They get to F- with the teach all they want, and then you have to be like this guy....



That's about how I remember my middle school and high school teachers, except for one or two.  Well, a couple of them did kick smart-asses.  But, for the most part, they were mindnumblingly apathetic.   So, I just had to wonder what went through that person's head when he/she said "yeah, I'm going to spend a bunch of time, money and mental gymnastics to become a teacher.  Why?
 

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 1:47 pm

Yeah, but that doesn't get to the driving reason a college-bound kid decides to get a degree and certificate to pursue a career in education.

For me, the thought of regurgitating basic math formulas or even discussing the same old basic literature day after day with snotty middle school or high school kids who just want to know the answers for the test - freaking shoot me now!  As a teacher, if they piss me off, I can't verbally go off on them like a 1960's drill sergeant. I can't kick, punch or beat 'em with a baseball bat. They get to F- with the teach all they want, and then you have to be like this guy....



That's about how I remember my middle school and high school teachers, except for one or two.  Well, a couple of them did kick smart-asses.  But, for the most part, they were mindnumblingly apathetic.   So, I just had to wonder what went through that person's head when he/she said "yeah, I'm going to spend a bunch of time, money and mental gymnastics to become a teacher.  Why?

Some teachers put up with the same **** different year because once in a while there's the bright spark that passes through. The one kid has the light click on and the teacher made the connection. I heard that logic (paraphrased here) from a teacher.

Is it worth running into the burning orphanage to save only one of sixty kids?   

DeezerShoove » 23 Apr 2025, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:23 pm

Some teachers put up with the same **** different year because once in a while there's the bright spark that passes through. The one kid has the light click on and the teacher made the connection. I heard that logic (paraphrased here) from a teacher.

Is it worth running into the burning orphanage to save only one of sixty kids? 

Good answer. An answer that makes a person think.  Did you ever watch that sitcom "Young Sheldon"?
 

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am

I touched upon this in one of my posts in a response to someone.  I essentially questioned why any adult would want to spend their time helping other people's mostly animal-like children learn the same old boring stuff over and over again.

One one hand, parents need people who are willing to be factory-worker style teachers to educate their children.  On the other hand, people who spend 4 years in college studying math, biology, physics, english, etc. and then get a teaching certificate on top of that have "high hopes" of being anything other than a factory worker.  There's a huge disconnect here.  In essence, these teachers-in-training have no clue what is actually expected of them in the work place.  Or, do they?

What motivates people to choose a career in teaching?

• Money - this is a key motivator for many college educated adults, but clearly not for teachers.
• Benefits - Teachers do receive fairly good benefits, but 18-20 somethings think about benefits as likely as they are to read a 1000 page book on insurance.
• Naivety - Basically stupidity.  Thinking that teaching is some glorious job, when it's actually a very boring, tedious, grind of a job.
• Easy job with lots of time off.   Essentially laziness.  Yes, I will say this is a motivator.
• Power over others.  Umm, maybe.  Perhaps that feeling of "I'm the Boss of you" motivates some to become teachers.
• Liberal Indoctrination.  Yes, I think a sizeable number of teachers want to "mold" children into embracing 0-population, marxist and socialist beliefs.
• Sex - I'm going to say "yes".  I think there is a portion of teachers who find children sexually attractive. 

Am I missing anything here?  Please let me know if I am.  So, the only noble reasons for people to pursue teaching as a career is "Naivety" and "Laziness".  Keep that in mind as you hug and kiss the little ones before they go off to school for a fun-filled 8 hours with people who fall into one of the above categories.

 
 

One doesn't have to be a teacher to teach about self evident life evolving in plain sight since most educators don't teach how actual life evolves in plain sight.

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:30 pm

Good answer. An answer that makes a person think.  Did you ever watch that sitcom "Young Sheldon"?

Never watched a second of it.

DeezerShoove » 23 Apr 2025, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:34 pm

Never watched a second of it.

I won't go into it then.  I mentioned it because it did delve into what you were saying about how a teacher or professor reacts when he sees that student that "gets it" and really wants to learn more. To the extreme, perhaps, but that was a major theme of that series.
 

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:37 pm

I won't go into it then.  I mentioned it because it did delve into what you were saying about how a teacher or professor reacts when he sees that student that "gets it" and really wants to learn more. To the extreme, perhaps, but that was a major theme of that series.

Hearing it from an actual sincere teacherperson was significant.
I can imagine it migrating into a script.

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am

I touched upon this in one of my posts in a response to someone.  I essentially questioned why any adult would want to spend their time helping other people's mostly animal-like children learn the same old boring stuff over and over again.

One one hand, parents need people who are willing to be factory-worker style teachers to educate their children.  On the other hand, people who spend 4 years in college studying math, biology, physics, english, etc. and then get a teaching certificate on top of that have "high hopes" of being anything other than a factory worker.  There's a huge disconnect here.  In essence, these teachers-in-training have no clue what is actually expected of them in the work place.  Or, do they?

What motivates people to choose a career in teaching?

• Money - this is a key motivator for many college educated adults, but clearly not for teachers.
• Benefits - Teachers do receive fairly good benefits, but 18-20 somethings think about benefits as likely as they are to read a 1000 page book on insurance.
• Naivety - Basically stupidity.  Thinking that teaching is some glorious job, when it's actually a very boring, tedious, grind of a job.
• Easy job with lots of time off.   Essentially laziness.  Yes, I will say this is a motivator.
• Power over others.  Umm, maybe.  Perhaps that feeling of "I'm the Boss of you" motivates some to become teachers.
• Liberal Indoctrination.  Yes, I think a sizeable number of teachers want to "mold" children into embracing 0-population, marxist and socialist beliefs.
• Sex - I'm going to say "yes".  I think there is a portion of teachers who find children sexually attractive. 

Am I missing anything here?  Please let me know if I am.  So, the only noble reasons for people to pursue teaching as a career is "Naivety" and "Laziness".  Keep that in mind as you hug and kiss the little ones before they go off to school for a fun-filled 8 hours with people who fall into one of the above categories.

Good question. The pay is crap. The kids are rude and just plain stupid. There are probably various reasons, as your OP suggests. Not to mention job security. There will always be a job available for teachers. 

DeezerShoove » 23 Apr 2025, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:44 pm

Hearing it from an actual sincere teacherperson was significant.
I can imagine it migrating into a script.

More of a running theme than a script. But, I thought it was well done.

I agree, hearing an actual teacher say that give me reason to ponder what I said in my OP.  Maybe I should edit it to add that.


 

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 3:59 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 3:59 pm

More of a running theme than a script. But, I thought it was well done.

I agree, hearing an actual teacher say that give me reason to ponder what I said in my OP.  Maybe I should edit it to add that.

I don't know how common a theme it is in the teachers' lounge, but it should be very common.

My darker impression is that most are just there for the money/benefits/retirement package.
If they ever had a better, more optimistic outlook, the crabby ones crushed it.
It seems to have become ****.

Just like politicians... The old, **** ones perpetuate apathetic, selfish attitudes all around.

Sure, there are probably still some decent ones in both camps, but probably mostly go-alongs rule the day.
 

Why would anyone become a Teacher, Cop, Lawyer, Doctor, Engineer, Nurse, Fast food Manager, Priest or any other job or career. Only thing I would never want to be is a Liberal or Democrat.

Skans » 23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 7:36 am

I touched upon this in one of my posts in a response to someone.  I essentially questioned why any adult would want to spend their time helping other people's mostly animal-like children learn the same old boring stuff over and over again.

One one hand, parents need people who are willing to be factory-worker style teachers to educate their children.  On the other hand, people who spend 4 years in college studying math, biology, physics, english, etc. and then get a teaching certificate on top of that have "high hopes" of being anything other than a factory worker.  There's a huge disconnect here.  In essence, these teachers-in-training have no clue what is actually expected of them in the work place.  Or, do they?

What motivates people to choose a career in teaching?

• Money - this is a key motivator for many college educated adults, but clearly not for teachers.
• Benefits - Teachers do receive fairly good benefits, but 18-20 somethings think about benefits as likely as they are to read a 1000 page book on insurance.
• Naivety - Basically stupidity.  Thinking that teaching is some glorious job, when it's actually a very boring, tedious, grind of a job.
• Easy job with lots of time off.   Essentially laziness.  Yes, I will say this is a motivator.
• Power over others.  Umm, maybe.  Perhaps that feeling of "I'm the Boss of you" motivates some to become teachers.
• Liberal Indoctrination.  Yes, I think a sizeable number of teachers want to "mold" children into embracing 0-population, marxist and socialist beliefs.
• Sex - I'm going to say "yes".  I think there is a portion of teachers who find children sexually attractive. 

Am I missing anything here?  Please let me know if I am.  So, the only noble reasons for people to pursue teaching as a career is "Naivety" and "Laziness".  Keep that in mind as you hug and kiss the little ones before they go off to school for a fun-filled 8 hours with people who fall into one of the above categories.

I think young on they really do think they can "Make A Difference".

Later on they become Old & Fat Socialists hanging on their Retirement Benefits know by the exact day put in their retirement too.

Also our "Society" and Laws too.

Back in the Day when I was growing up was a "Public School" but afew teachers back then told me clean up even called my folks in talked 2 them.

But that was back in the day .
 

TwoIfByTea » 23 Apr 2025, 8:46 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2025, 8:46 pm

I think young on they really do think they can "Make A Difference".

Later on they become Old & Fat Socialists hanging on their Retirement Benefits know by the exact day put in their retirement too.

Also our "Society" and Laws too.

Back in the Day when I was growing up was a "Public School" but afew teachers back then told me clean up even called my folks in talked 2 them.

But that was back in the day .

May I also say without crossing the line.

These braided haired boys and rap music dumb as a box of rocks I wouldnt wanna have deal with em neither if I was qualified be a Teacher and even Cadillac Retirement & Benefits "No Way" because I would KILL one of em end up in PRISON
 

Wanna fix education.

Call me a "Communist" but UNIFORMS and Dress Code a "Decorum".

Everybody on the same page now.

Uniforms instill a sense of respect & responsibility too
 

Bump lets go ya "Failures"

I also think too every young "Able-Bodied" from 18/20 years of age should be "Conscripted" for atleast for 18 months..

Knock all that crap they learned on the streets outta their heads.

Then build up to a Community & Nation "Serving Your Country" come out a "Brand New Man" too

Look before anybody goes all PSYCHO on me.

"Conscription" into Armed Services aint no worse than Prison but in the Army ya still a "Citizen" not a Convict..

Now the "Living Conditions" may rival a State Prison.

Nonetheless ya gonna come out way BETTER than ya "Were" on a basic "Conscription" program

The problem with professional educators is singling out a brain that doesn't want to be all they been since conceived and will do anything to become larger than displaced one of a kind.

Nurturing leaders dedicated to preserving reasonable doubt doesn't facilitate better 7 tomorrows a week 52 times a year than genetics have ancestrally reached, today.