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LowIQTrash » 28 Apr 2025, 12:05 am » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 12:05 am

Yet according to libertarians, that’s “free market capitalism”

RegoolayshunZ are state enforced violence 

Caveat Emptor…

Yes, many of the very folks tisking the failure to meet standards will piss and moan about the state enforcing standards. 
 

DeezerShoove » 28 Apr 2025, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 6:39 am

I was curious about what a "libertarian" is so a bought a book describing same.
Couldn't read the **** thing. Platitudes and either/or stuff bored me silly.

I still have it (the book) and maybe I just wasn't in the mood or curious enough at the time.
But still, an entire book attempting to define libertarian . . .  It was a bit much.

Libertardians despise building codes. Prior restraint is the bane of their existence. They hate zoning codes. It's my land, I should be able to do what I want with it. 

They consider animal cruelty laws a violation of their liberty to do what they want with their property. They are against Eminent Domain. Not against ABUSES; against the existence of it. 

They're children. Mouthy, annoying ones. 

And when bush humiliated the repukes, many of them pretended to have been libertardians, all along. Teacher was one such. 

DeezerShoove » 28 Apr 2025, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 4:19 pm

Yup. If three welds is good, six is better.  

Glue or nails?  Of course the right answer is BOTH.

Totally!
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Apr 2025, 5:08 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 5:08 pm

Libertardians despise building codes. Prior restraint is the bane of their existence. They hate zoning codes. It's my land, I should be able to do what I want with it. 

They consider animal cruelty laws a violation of their liberty to do what they want with their property. They are against Eminent Domain. Not against ABUSES; against the existence of it. 

They're children. Mouthy, annoying ones. 

And when bush humiliated the repukes, many of them pretended to have been libertardians, all along. Teacher was one such.

Fences are terrible. Until you need them.

I kill animals (some). But even the **** ones don't deserve torture. One shot, nome sane?

NIMBY isn't intrinsically a bad thing. But sometimes ya gots ta suck it up. You can't always get your way.

Etc etc etc.  

Life is contradictions. Reality helps sort that **** out.

DeezerShoove » 28 Apr 2025, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 6:25 pm

Fences are terrible. Until you need them.

I kill animals (some). But even the **** ones don't deserve torture. One shot, nome sane?

NIMBY isn't intrinsically a bad thing. But sometimes ya gots ta suck it up. You can't always get your way.

Etc etc etc.  

Life is contradictions. Reality helps sort that **** out.

When cornered, libertardians admit that they would personally attack a person who tortured puppies - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

When cornered, they admit that they would attack a man for flashing their daughters - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

So they are people who advocate a system - quite adamantly and self-righteously and dogmatically advocate a system - which they admit under close questioning that they could never promise to respect and live peacefully in. 

Are they stupid? I think  so.
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Apr 2025, 6:59 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 6:59 pm

When cornered, libertardians admit that they would personally attack a person who tortured puppies - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

When cornered, they admit that they would attack a man for flashing their daughters - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

So they are people who advocate a system - quite adamantly and self-righteously and dogmatically advocate a system - which they admit under close questioning that they could never promise to respect and live peacefully in. 

Are they stupid? I think  so.

Yeah, that book... Did you read it?!
Platitudes and either/ors. It wasn't funny ha ha.
 

DeezerShoove » 28 Apr 2025, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 10:17 pm

Yeah, that book... Did you read it?!
Platitudes and either/ors. It wasn't funny ha ha.

I did not. I have met libertarians and conversed with them. I have also read their party's broadsides - particularly the bullet points in which their political philosophy is grounded. Oh, and I have read Ayn Rand - and not just the novels. The dry stuff. The Virtue of Selfishness, Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal - all that bunk. So I understand the libertarian tautology. And it was from within that tautology that libertarians and republicans alike took extreme umbrage at Obama's "You didn't build that" narrative,

I defended Obama's narrative then, and I am happy to defend it again. Whatever it is that you think you built, you did not build that. This includes a movie, a song, a gadget, a barn. You did not build that. Whatever a man builds in this culture arises in and from this culture. If we were free agents, the throat singers of Tuva would be cashing in by creating American pop songs. They're not. They're acting from within a culture. And they are acting on that culture, and it is acting on them at the same time. Outside of his society, a man is not a man at all. He's just an appetite - in most cases, a rapidly diminishing appetite. 

Plato spoke of the Ideal Sphere. This is a place beyond our three dimensions wherein reside the perfect examples and attributes of all things: the ideal chair, the ideal sofa, the ideal bed or barn or barge - the ideal of anything and everything. How the Platonic Ideal is brought back from that realm and interpreted into this one hinges on the discipline of the artist/builder/engineer... But however prodigious his talent, the artist did not create that. He went and got it from the Ideal Sphere. And his representation of it in this imperfect realm, however excellent, is still going to be something less than the ideal - which is still up/out/in the ideal sphere. The greater the artist, the closer to the ideal he will get. Perhaps the closest artists in fresco, oil, and stone would be Michelangelo and da Vinci. But they did not build that. They merely interpreted it. 

Jung refers to this same realm as the "Collective Unconscious." I call it the getting place. Kristofferson was a regular visitor to the getting place/collective unconscious/ideal sphere. He authored some of the important and memorable music of a generation. But he **** up some of the songs he got out of there. "Help me make it through the night" could have been 100% better with a couple of tweaks to make it less rapey. But he had fallen in love with the song before he finished doing his due diligence - and I strongly believe that he paid a heavy price for that. IMO, your ability to bring excellent things out of that place hinges on how well you translate them when you get back into the world of our five senses. I believe he peaked with that song, and was never as potent again.

Now it appears that I've gone away from the topic - but not really at all. Because every word of this is a direct refutation of libertarianism. Libertarianism is a meat philosophy - and the antidote to meat philosophies is spiritual ones. Neither Plato nor Jung nor I will ever be found on a street corner preaching any gospel. But Plato and Jung and I share a spiritual philosophy. And the libertarian does not and cannot. The moment a fellow begins to see life as a spiritual experience, he ceases to be a libertarian. He ceases to insist he built that. He begins to be a part of something much larger, and he takes on some obligations. He gets less cock-sure of himself. And as soon as you are not a cock-sure asshole, you cannot truly be a libertarian. 

Okay - I **** on libertarianism, and I insinuated myself into the company of Plato and Jung. Bully for me.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Apr 2025, 6:59 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 6:59 pm

When cornered, libertardians admit that they would personally attack a person who tortured puppies - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

When cornered, they admit that they would attack a man for flashing their daughters - though the system they advocate would enshrine and protect his right to do so.

So they are people who advocate a system - quite adamantly and self-righteously and dogmatically advocate a system - which they admit under close questioning that they could never promise to respect and live peacefully in. 

Are they stupid? I think  so.

Libertarians support the “tranny agenda” 

coz fReEDUmB

Which will ALWAYS turn Cannon’s manly manliness instincts to 11/10

DeezerShoove » 27 Apr 2025, 6:53 am » wrote: ↑

27 Apr 2025, 6:53 am

cracked...

https://youtu.be/zRUfXoRhj4A?si=BPHzXotEXq9EqaA1

it’s Chyna 

LowIQTrash » 29 Apr 2025, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 12:40 am

Libertarians support the “tranny agenda” 

coz fReEDUmB

Which will ALWAYS turn Cannon’s manly manliness instincts to 11/10

The current China has only existed on the New World Order stage since 1948 while its ancestries date back to inception of the species. Same as Israel.
East is east and west is west.

82% of global population is east and 90% is north of the equator. Guess why dictatorships and democracies don't last intellectually driven to believe life isn't self evident time equally adapting since conceive living eternally separated now.

Really doesn't matter which side people choose between intellectual God Creationism, Mother Nature, Evolution Theories, or factual relative time semantics done all 5 generation gaps last 350-400 generation gaps.

I read history and between the lines of interpreting living is more than adapting in plain sight each heartbeat beats in series parallel positions now.

Cannonpointer » 28 Apr 2025, 11:36 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Apr 2025, 11:36 pm

 Ayn Rand - and not just the novels. The dry stuff. The Virtue of Selfishness, Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal - all that bunk. So I understand the libertarian tautology. And it was from within that tautology that libertarians and republicans alike took extreme umbrage at Obama's "You didn't build that" narrative,

I defended Obama's narrative then, and I am happy to defend it again. Whatever it is that you think you built, you did not build that. Outside of his society, a man is not a man at all. 

Plato spoke of the Ideal Sphere. This is a place beyond our three dimensions wherein reside the perfect examples and attributes of all things: the ideal chair, the ideal sofa, the ideal bed or barn or barge - the ideal of anything and everything. But however prodigious his talent, the artist did not create that.

Jung refers to this same realm as the "Collective Unconscious." I call it the getting place. Kristofferson was a regular visitor to the getting place/collective unconscious/ideal sphere. He authored some of the important and memorable music of a generation. But he **** up some of the songs he got out of there. "Help me make it through the night" could have been 100% better with a couple of tweaks to make it less rapey. But he had fallen in love with the song before he finished doing his due diligence - and I strongly believe that he paid a heavy price for that. IMO, your ability to bring excellent things out of that place hinges on how well you translate them when you get back into the world of our five senses. I believe he peaked with that song, and was never as potent again.

Okay - I **** on libertarianism, and I insinuated myself into the company of Plato and Jung. Bully for me.

I don't believe Bammy is as erudite as all that. He spoke from a teleprompter that spewed crafted verbiage to a known set of hillbillies and ghetto blacks.
He just wanted the rich **** to realize they used the peons (to whom he was pandering) and didn't deserve to be elitists. And that they should appreciate the common clay (peons) upon which they walked. It was all political pandering in my view.

Plato's Ideal Sphere isn't something I'm familiar with. But, the concept of the perfect design as a goal I'm familiar with. It cannot be achieved but it can ALWAYS be a goal. Seems in the ballpark. The society/culture that creations come from is a double-edge sword: You build on the shoulders of giants (previous successes) while limited by the realities of resources and materials. Society/culture assists and limits simultaneously. Technologies, experience, knowledge, missteps, societal mood, etc. all evolve (or devolve).

To bluntly tell an ironworker or ER doctor, et al, their efforts don't mean **** is a Kris K. moment.
Bammy should have worked on the speech a couple more minutes.

btw
I have never completely abandoned the view of a spiritual life. I think it's a cringeworthy moment when people conjoin the spiritual with the religion (then utterly dismiss others that see them as separate facets of life). Being spiritual IS the belief upon which a religion rests. A "true believer" cannot question his faith unless his spiritual side has a dent in it.
Belonging to a Club that reads from the Book then sets up rules for their regular meetings. . . not at all for me. Religion and spiritualism have always had separate shelves in my closet. There is no which-came-first joke here. 

 
 

DeezerShoove » 29 Apr 2025, 7:17 am » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 7:17 am

I don't believe Bammy is as erudite as all that. He spoke from a teleprompter that spewed crafted verbiage to a known set of hillbillies and ghetto blacks.
He just wanted the rich **** to realize they used the peons (to whom he was pandering) and didn't deserve to be elitists. And that they should appreciate the common clay (peons) upon which they walked. It was all political pandering in my view.

Plato's Ideal Sphere isn't something I'm familiar with. But, the concept of the perfect design as a goal I'm familiar with. It cannot be achieved but it can ALWAYS be a goal. Seems in the ballpark. The society/culture that creations come from is a double-edge sword: You build on the shoulders of giants (previous successes) while limited by the realities of resources and materials. Society/culture assists and limits simultaneously. Technologies, experience, knowledge, missteps, societal mood, etc. all evolve (or devolve).

To bluntly tell an ironworker or ER doctor, et al, their efforts don't mean **** is a Kris K. moment.
Bammy should have worked on the speech a couple more minutes.

btw
I have never completely abandoned the view of a spiritual life. I think it's a cringeworthy moment when people conjoin the spiritual with the religion (then utterly dismiss others that see them as separate facets of life). Being spiritual IS the belief upon which a religion rests. A "true believer" cannot question his faith unless his spiritual side has a dent in it.
Belonging to a Club that reads from the Book then sets up rules for their regular meetings. . . not at all for me. Religion and spiritualism have always had separate shelves in my closet. There is no which-came-first joke here.

Oh, I don't **** with churches, other than to vandalize their signs. 

Like they will have, "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want." I will pull the letters down and change it to, "The war is my Lord and ****."

The only church I would ever consider joining is the Westboro Baptist Church. My kind of folks - real assholes. 

That, or maybe one other. Y'see, there is a "First Baptist" in every podunk **** in the bible belt, the rust belt, the incest belt and the corn belt. First Baptist this, First Baptist that - and never, ever, EVER have I seen a Second Baptist. So that is the other church I would consider joining. The Second Baptist. 
 

Cannonpointer » 29 Apr 2025, 3:53 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 3:53 pm

Oh, I don't **** with churches, other than to vandalize their signs. 

Like they will have, "The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want." I will pull the letters down and change it to, "The war is my Lord and ****."

The only church I would ever consider joining is the Westboro Baptist Church. My kind of folks - real assholes. 

That, or maybe one other. Y'see, there is a "First Baptist" in every podunk **** in the bible belt, the rust belt, the incest belt and the corn belt. First Baptist this, First Baptist that - and never, ever, EVER have I seen a Second Baptist. So that is the other church I would consider joining. The Second Baptist.

Like racist and hating a race, I don't know if hating a bapt is my style.
I don't even know what that is so being a baptist would be a learning curve...

As a kid I went to a Free Methodist church. Didn't go for that one either.
You get what you pay for. Next time I'd rather go to one that cost something.

DeezerShoove » 29 Apr 2025, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 4:32 pm

Like racist and hating a race, I don't know if hating a bapt is my style.
I don't even know what that is so being a baptist would be a learning curve...

As a kid I went to a Free Methodist church. Didn't go for that one either.
You get what you pay for. Next time I'd rather go to one that cost something.

Methodists are just baptists that take communion. 
 

Cannonpointer » 29 Apr 2025, 4:43 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 4:43 pm

Methodists are just baptists that take communion.

Like God **** cares about that crap...  

Cannonpointer » 29 Apr 2025, 4:43 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 4:43 pm

Methodists are just baptists that take communion.

And drink and smoke, cuss

all the fun stuff 

I was brought up Methodist 

my best friend at church was the preachers kid 

I called him PK

He was as **** up as I was
 

Mrkelly » 29 Apr 2025, 5:12 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 5:12 pm

And drink and smoke, cuss

all the fun stuff 

I was brought up Methodist 

my best friend at church was the preachers kid 

I called him PK

He was as **** up as I was

I always found it weird that my neighbors sitting in the next pew, acting all serene and wonderful in their Sunday best, were total assholes on a daily basis. I knew this because we lived right by them.
**** arguments, **** kids, **** neighbors.

Some folks go to church because it gives them a sense of insurance that Heaven is in their future.
But kids like me could rat them out to God...  
 

Mrkelly » 29 Apr 2025, 5:12 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 5:12 pm

And drink and smoke, cuss

all the fun stuff 

I was brought up Methodist 

my best friend at church was the preachers kid 

I called him PK

He was as **** up as I was

They have their share of molesters, too.