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jerrab » Today, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:03 am

you better hope so too. it would be trump's fault for claiming china had high tariffs so he raises tariffs

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In 2023, China's average tariff rate decreased to 7.3% from 7.4% in 2022. This involved adjustments to both import and export tariffs, including waivers for certain medical goods, increased tariffs on some commodities, and provisional tariff rates for specific items. The adjustments aimed to connect domestic and international resources and markets, with a focus on expanding imports of medical supplies, high-quality consumer goods, energy resources, and IT products, according to Deloitte.

You are foolish if you think China hasn't tried to hide what they've been doing to the Untied States manufacturers. Yes, they impose a tariff on our good for starters - at least you recognized that.  However, in addition to imposing a tariff, China has also:

• Provides monetary and land subsidies to export-heavy industries;
• Imposes strict limits on foreign companies attempting to sell to China such as: impose joint venture requirements forcing American manufacturers to partner with Chinese oligarchs to do any business in China 
• Engages in protracted licensing delays to discourage American business in China and impose outright restrictions/bans on financial services, tech and media companies
• China's government (unlike America's government) refuses to purchase hardly any US goods or services
• American companies operating in China are compelled to transfer technology to Chinese companies as a condition of doing business 
• China’s sate owned enterprises enjoy privileged access to financing, land, and government contracts, allowing them to undercut foreign competitors
• China smacks American businesses with onerous "standards and certification" requirements that are not imposed on Chinese businesses. It also strategically delays customs and inspections for American imports and imposes quotas that restrict American access to Chinese markets.

I haven't even touched on Chinese espionage and corporate spying which is facilitated by the CCP.
 
 

jerrab » Today, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:03 am

you better hope so too. it would be trump's fault for claiming china had high tariffs so he raises tariffs

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In 2023, China's average tariff rate decreased to 7.3% from 7.4% in 2022. This involved adjustments to both import and export tariffs, including waivers for certain medical goods, increased tariffs on some commodities, and provisional tariff rates for specific items. The adjustments aimed to connect domestic and international resources and markets, with a focus on expanding imports of medical supplies, high-quality consumer goods, energy resources, and IT products, according to Deloitte.

Here are some things you should know by now.  Trump is not using his position as President to enrich himself.  If anything, he's lost paper value in the stock market like everyone else.  Also, Elon Musk isn't heading up DOGE to help himself or his company. It has cost him an immense amount of wealth to do this.  So, even if you are a Trump-hater or Musk-malcontenter, if you ask yourself "why", there really can be only 1 reason - they actually believe they are doing the right thing for the Nation. 

So, assuming that Trump is no fool, because he isn't (fools don't become billionaires), then it is reasonable to believe 1) that he has the country's best interest at heart and 2) he and his team have thought through their moves, counter moves, counter-counter moves and even beyond before engaging in this Trade War.
 

Blackvegetable » Today, 4:51 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:51 am

That's it....every American who ever did business with China was a fool.

Like Ivanka, who made designer knock off footwear.....in China.

Especially you... the fool part.
You kinda missed the point or are just a bit slow.
Go look a seldom-used word to impress me with.

Kern is a good one. Simple, useless, etc.  .  .  appropriate.

Skans » Today, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:22 pm

Here are some things you should know by now.  Trump is not using his position as President to enrich himself.  If anything, he's lost paper value in the stock market like everyone else.  Also, Elon Musk isn't heading up DOGE to help himself or his company. It has cost him an immense amount of wealth to do this.  So, even if you are a Trump-hater or Musk-malcontenter, if you ask yourself "why", there really can be only 1 reason - they actually believe they are doing the right thing for the Nation. 

So, assuming that Trump is no fool, because he isn't (fools don't become billionaires), then it is reasonable to believe 1) that he has the country's best interest at heart and 2) he and his team have thought through their moves, counter moves, counter-counter moves and even beyond before engaging in this Trade War.

now that musk realizes he lost money........

Skans » Today, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:22 pm

Here are some things you should know by now.  Trump is not using his position as President to enrich himself.  If anything, he's lost paper value in the stock market like everyone else.  Also, Elon Musk isn't heading up DOGE to help himself or his company. It has cost him an immense amount of wealth to do this.  So, even if you are a Trump-hater or Musk-malcontenter, if you ask yourself "why", there really can be only 1 reason - they actually believe they are doing the right thing for the Nation. 

So, assuming that Trump is no fool, because he isn't (fools don't become billionaires), then it is reasonable to believe 1) that he has the country's best interest at heart and 2) he and his team have thought through their moves, counter moves, counter-counter moves and even beyond before engaging in this Trade War.

musk is quitting as soon as he realizes he lost money.

Skans » Today, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:22 pm

Here are some things you should know by now.  Trump is not using his position as President to enrich himself.  If anything, he's lost paper value in the stock market like everyone else.  Also, Elon Musk isn't heading up DOGE to help himself or his company. It has cost him an immense amount of wealth to do this.  So, even if you are a Trump-hater or Musk-malcontenter, if you ask yourself "why", there really can be only 1 reason - they actually believe they are doing the right thing for the Nation. 

So, assuming that Trump is no fool, because he isn't (fools don't become billionaires), then it is reasonable to believe 1) that he has the country's best interest at heart and 2) he and his team have thought through their moves, counter moves, counter-counter moves and even beyond before engaging in this Trade War.

trump got his sons to buy  stock when the stock market went down along with other billionaires.

Skans » Today, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 1:22 pm

Here are some things you should know by now.  Trump is not using his position as President to enrich himself.  If anything, he's lost paper value in the stock market like everyone else.  Also, Elon Musk isn't heading up DOGE to help himself or his company. It has cost him an immense amount of wealth to do this.  So, even if you are a Trump-hater or Musk-malcontenter, if you ask yourself "why", there really can be only 1 reason - they actually believe they are doing the right thing for the Nation. 

So, assuming that Trump is no fool, because he isn't (fools don't become billionaires), then it is reasonable to believe 1) that he has the country's best interest at heart and 2) he and his team have thought through their moves, counter moves, counter-counter moves and even beyond before engaging in this Trade War.

nope trump caused the stock market to fall so he  and his family can buy stock for cheap

and that is using his power.

jerrab » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

trump got his sons to buy  stock when the stock market went down along with other billionaires.

Now, you're just making **** up.  Not even sticking to your Dem-Generated talking points.
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jerrab » Yesterday, 10:18 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 10:18 pm

you are just sidestepping the issue.

Don't worry, they'll save you a really nice Chinese dick to suck.

jerrab » 27 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

27 minutes ago

trump got his sons to buy  stock when the stock market went down along with other billionaires.

^^^^

Another lying **** bitch!

jerrab » 28 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

28 minutes ago

musk is quitting as soon as he realizes he lost money.

You don't know **** you lying cocksucker!

murdock » Today, 3:42 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:42 pm

You don't know **** you lying cocksucker!

he freakin said so, idiot

Skans » Today, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:23 pm

Now, you're just making **** up.  Not even sticking to your Dem-Generated talking points. Courtesy of Fmr. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigeig

it is called stock manipulation and trump used his powers.

Skans » Today, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:23 pm

Now, you're just making **** up.  Not even sticking to your Dem-Generated talking points. Courtesy of Fmr. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigeig

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Stock manipulation, also known as market manipulation, is the act of artificially influencing the supply or demand for a security, typically to drive its price up or down. This is done through deceptive practices that mislead other investors, creating an artificial price trend that deviates from the price that would be set by legitimate market forces of supply and demand

jerrab » 55 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

55 minutes ago

it is called stock manipulation and trump used his powers.
 

You show me where Trump made lots of money (like he needs more, lol) from shorting companies that plunged during the beginning of the trade wars.  When you show me the short selling that Donald Trump, or his financial team, did, I'll listen to you.  But, if you've got nothing to show, then shut up.
 

jerrab » 52 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

52 minutes ago

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Stock manipulation, also known as market manipulation, is the act of artificially influencing the supply or demand for a security, typically to drive its price up or down. This is done through deceptive practices that mislead other investors, creating an artificial price trend that deviates from the price that would be set by legitimate market forces of supply and demand

Show me.  Otherwise, what you're claiming is made up, fabricated lies.  And, by the way, Trump sues people for claims like the ones you're making. 
 

jerrab » Today, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 5:05 pm

he freakin said so, idiot

Fake news, real idiot.

jerrab » Today, 5:07 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 5:07 pm

it is called stock manipulation and trump used his powers.

You're  a lying pecker smoking little bitch.

jerrab » Today, 5:07 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 5:07 pm

it is called stock manipulation and trump used his powers.

I hope one of your fake news media sites is reporting that **** you are spewing. CBS just paid TWENTY BILLION for spewing the same lying **** you are. 
 

Skans » 22 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

22 minutes ago

Show me.  Otherwise, what you're claiming is made up, fabricated lies.  And, by the way, Trump sues people for claims like the ones you're making.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t ... nipulation