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jerrab » 35 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

35 minutes ago

any resources in ukraine would be in russia as well.

they are the in same geographical area.

wow. so if there is a massive oil deposit in Ukraine, the same amount of oil is in Russia? You are a special kind of stupid. Did you even read what I posted?

jerrab » 47 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

47 minutes ago

that would have nuclear missiles.

why would there be nuclear missiles? Does every NATO country have nuclear missiles? Do you realize that Ukraine had and gave up their nuclear missiles?
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Yes, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to relinquish the nuclear weapons inherited from the Soviet Union. This was part of a broader agreement that also included Ukraine joining the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear weapon state and receiving security assurances from the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom. The agreement, known as the Trilateral Statement, was a key step in Ukraine's transition to a non-nuclear weapon state. 

Seems to me that Ukraine got screwed by Russia big time.

jerrab » 50 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

50 minutes ago

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• NATO Expansion:
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  Russia views NATO expansion as a threat to its security and has repeatedly expressed opposition to Ukraine joining the alliance. 
• Neutrality as a Peace Condition:
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  Russia has consistently stated that any peace deal must include a guarantee that Ukraine will remain neutral and not join NATO. 

why do you give a crap if Ukraine in NATO upsets Russia?

Mrkelly » Today, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:35 am

Not very educated about NATO I see

Crimea belongs to Russia, no need to take it

most of the other regions in your copy and paste voted to join Russia 

The rest is propaganda 

but do carry on

where did you get your education. Karl Marx maybe?

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https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Crimea
In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognise Crimea as Ukrainian territory.

Which Soviet president gave Crimea to Ukraine?
February 19, 1954 – Crimea's Transfer to the Ukrainian SSR - Mission of the President of Ukraine in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Myth: Crimea was transferred to Ukraine at Khrushchev's personal request to appease Ukraine, in violation of Soviet legal norms.Feb 19, 2025

The Crimean War was won by the Allied Powers, which included the Ottoman Empire, France, the United Kingdom, and Piedmont-Sardinia. Russia, the main antagonist in the conflict, was defeated. The war officially ended on March 30, 1856, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris. 

It seems the only reason that Crimea was ever part of Russia is because they took it. now run along little boy....run along

Mrkelly » Today, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:35 am

Not very educated about NATO I see

Crimea belongs to Russia, no need to take it

most of the other regions in your copy and paste voted to join Russia 

The rest is propaganda 

but do carry on

which part is propaganda? I love it when libtards blanket dismiss things, but never back up their ****

jerrab » Yesterday, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 12:46 pm

if ukraine joined nato missiles could be put in russia's border. and nato wont't let ukraine join anyway. trump should include ukraine not joining nato in his peace talks. sanctions just makes russia madder.

it really is simple and nato won't let ukraine join anyway.

Why would NATO put missiles on the border if Russia is so nice?

EDC4ALL! » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

10 minutes ago

why do you give a crap if Ukraine in NATO upsets Russia?

unlike you I hate waking up hearing 20 kids or so were killed in ukraine.
 

Mrkelly » Yesterday, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 11:35 am

because that would put  missiles and military bases on Russias border

that is the main reason for the war

so Russia is attacking Ukraine and killing thousands of civilians because if they (Ukraine) join NATO there will be nuclear missile bases in Ukraine? Links please.....

EDC4ALL! » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

where did you get your education. Karl Marx maybe?

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Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Crimea
In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognise Crimea as Ukrainian territory.

Which Soviet president gave Crimea to Ukraine?
February 19, 1954 – Crimea's Transfer to the Ukrainian SSR - Mission of the President of Ukraine in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Myth: Crimea was transferred to Ukraine at Khrushchev's personal request to appease Ukraine, in violation of Soviet legal norms.Feb 19, 2025

The Crimean War was won by the Allied Powers, which included the Ottoman Empire, France, the United Kingdom, and Piedmont-Sardinia. Russia, the main antagonist in the conflict, was defeated. The war officially ended on March 30, 1856, with the signing of the Treaty of Paris. 

It seems the only reason that Crimea was ever part of Russia is because they took it. now run along little boy....run along

Yes, certain NATO bases in Europe store U.S. nuclear weapons, although NATO itself doesn't own or control them. These weapons are primarily B61 gravity bombs, stored in underground vaults within airbases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey. The U.S. retains control and authority over these weapons, including the Permissive Action Link (PAL) codes needed to arm them

Russia owns crimea .

Get over it
 

jerrab » 2 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

2 minutes ago

unlike you I hate waking up hearing 20 kids or so were killed in ukraine.

and yet you back Russia.....

Mrkelly » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

Yes, certain NATO bases in Europe store U.S. nuclear weapons, although NATO itself doesn't own or control them. These weapons are primarily B61 gravity bombs, stored in underground vaults within airbases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey. The U.S. retains control and authority over these weapons, including the Permissive Action Link (PAL) codes needed to arm them

Russia owns crimea .

Get over it

Russia STOLE Crimea....and you are OK with it. They don't own it, they conquered it.

EDC4ALL! » 6 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

6 minutes ago

so Russia is attacking Ukraine and killing thousands of civilians because if they (Ukraine) join NATO there will be nuclear missile bases in Ukraine? Links please.....

Military bases are enough 


Yes, certain NATO bases in Europe store U.S. nuclear weapons, although NATO itself doesn't own or control them. These weapons are primarily B61 gravity bombs, stored in underground vaults within airbases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey. The U.S. retains control and authority over these weapons, including the Permissive Action Link (PAL) codes needed to arm them
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » Today, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:33 am

How would you want your President to respond if Russia made Cuba a missile base...?

So you are saying that NATO would definately put nuclear missiles in Ukraine, after NATO, US, UK, and Russia convinced them to give up their nukes?

EDC4ALL! » 26 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

26 minutes ago

wow. so if there is a massive oil deposit in Ukraine, the same amount of oil is in Russia? You are a special kind of stupid. Did you even read what I posted?

Western edge of the Asian continent, correct?

Mrkelly » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

9 minutes ago

Military bases are enough 

Yes, certain NATO bases in Europe store U.S. nuclear weapons, although NATO itself doesn't own or control them. These weapons are primarily B61 gravity bombs, stored in underground vaults within airbases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey. The U.S. retains control and authority over these weapons, including the Permissive Action Link (PAL) codes needed to arm them

Ukraine has military bases already. So you are saying that NATO would put their own bases in Ukraine?


No, NATO does not have military bases in every member country. While NATO is an alliance that binds 32 countries together in a common-defense agreement, it's not the case that every member nation has NATO bases present on its territory. Some NATO member states have chosen not to have permanent military bases on their territory. 

jerrab » Yesterday, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 12:46 pm

if ukraine joined nato missiles could be put in russia's border. and nato wont't let ukraine join anyway. trump should include ukraine not joining nato in his peace talks. sanctions just makes russia madder.

it really is simple and nato won't let ukraine join anyway.

No, NATO itself does not possess or own nuclear weapons. While some NATO member countries do possess nuclear weapons, NATO's policy of nuclear deterrence relies on a combination of national nuclear arsenals, US-supplied nuclear weapons stored in Europe, and the nuclear sharing arrangements among certain NATO allies. 

EDC4ALL! » Today, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:17 am

Putin wants territory because...well, he just wants it.

hasn’t the US agreed to buy Ukraine minersls?   What if Russia occupies the land where the minerals are we paid for?
 

BuckNaked » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

5 minutes ago

hasn’t the US agreed to buy Ukraine minersls?   What if Russia occupies the land where the minerals are we paid for?

One reason to tell Russia to keep their paws off. The EU is a bunch of pussies. They are part of NATO, the yet they want the US to spend the vast majority of the money to pay for their security, because they are afraid of Russia, but they could stop Russia cold if they boycotted their oil.

EDC4ALL! » 18 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

18 minutes ago

Why would NATO put missiles on the border if Russia is so nice?

russia gave them plenty of time for ukraine to say they would not join nato.

EDC4ALL! » 17 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

17 minutes ago

So you are saying that NATO would definately put nuclear missiles in Ukraine, after NATO, US, UK, and Russia convinced them to give up their nukes?

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4452907-g ... e-missiles