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This should be a bit confronting to a FEW. I wish it would confront leftists, but that would be too much to ask. "My mother drunk or sober" should be the bumper sticker on the car of every liberal that still defends Obama (this does NOT include defending him against attacks from retarded hacks, badly launched for partisan reasons and defensible only on the planet repubelia - IOW, attacks from **** mouths like Glory Hole Clem and partisan cut-paste lowbrows like the goof.

That this thread will not confront the freak who inspired it is forgiven. Holding a grudge against a retarded man is unChristian - and y'all know me,

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 11:11 am » wrote: Name one single idea conservatives support that Obama has done or proposed.

You really are a **** idiot, clemtard.

Top Ten things Obama has done which conservatives support when a Republican does them

10. The "Making Work Pay" Tax Credit for the middle class; The temporary reduction of social security withholding which cut the taxes of every W2 worker in America; Extended aspects of the Bush tax cuts such as child credit expansions and changes to marriage bonuses and penalties. Also extended the cuts for couples earning under 250k (200k for singles).

9. Signed off on Bush's 2008 memorandum regarding aid to Israel and has kept to it assiduously, giving more aid to Israel per year than any other president. In military aid alone, Israel received 2.55 billion in 2008, and a $150,000,000 raise each subsequent year. Additionally, the US is funding in part the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip - all of which will benefit Israeli companies and the Israeli economy,

8. Increased the size of the Army (+65,000) and the Marines (+27,000) while keeping his promise to "build up our nation's Special Operations Forces, Civilian Affairs, Information Operations, Engineers, Foreign Area Officers and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply."

7. Kept his promise tto "Establish regularity in deployments: so that active duty and reserves know what they must expect, rather than the current trend of changing the deployment schedules after they have left home, which harms the morale of troops and their families." Also ended the stop loss programs of the Bush era which forced troops to stay in service beyond their actual commitments, restoring the Deployment Policies under which the affected service people enlisted - literally ending the broken promises of his predecessor.

6. He made and kept a promise to "End the abuse of the supplemental budgets, where much of the money has been lost, by creating system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget."

5.Afghanistan troop surge in 2009.

4. Addressed the chronic, decades-long mismanagement of federal forest lands by keeping his promise to prioritize the removal of brush, small trees and other overgrown vegetation that fuel wild fires - even delivered cleared bio-mass to local communities which had the capacity to use it for fuel. Conservatives raised hell about this chronic issue in the Bush years but were ignored. Obama defied enviro-weenies and directed his BLM to significantly increase controlled burns. Also joined the NRA-ILA in supporting the Open Fields Incentives Legislation, designed to open 10 million new acres to hunters and sportsmen, and written so that participating states control the programs to suit their individual needs - a "one size fits one," policy which keeps the feds in a hands off posture.
3. Created and disseminated an official "Best Practices" list for accommodating disabled persons in the work place - a boom to employers in minding their liabilities in an area that has created uncertainty and needless expense under previous presidents.

2. Saved Chrystler, and got the money back. That was genius when Reagan did it - treason under Obama. Weird, huh?

1. Championed and signed the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act - a pragmatic, proto-conservative response to the national security threat of chronic childhood obesity and the national disgrace of corporations marketing poisons to children in state institutions which they are required required by law to attend.

Okay - that will do. Honest readers will note the following:

1. I did not pad the list with anecdotal crap. I did not put the two different tax cuts Obama authored or the one he renewed under three different numbers - nor did I put his various improvements over bush in forest management, along with his support of access for hunters, into separate categories. I LOADED DOWN most of the numbers on that list. I had to EDIT quite a few things and COMBINE quite a few more and still left the list far from complete.

2. Except for the last one, on which board pretendo-cons have been EXTREMELY progressive and anti-conservative, I did not list things that any broad swath of conservatives would not ordinarily applaud, if done by a republican. I argue that my number one thing Obie did which y'all WOULD applaud if a republican did them BELONGS on this list. Your experience may vary.

3. Any of the things on my list which you find to be unfair - which you feel conservatives do NOT support, - just strike those items and insert killing bin Laden, gunning the Somali pirates, or killing anwar al awlakii. Obie has more confirmed kills than any currently living Nobel Peace Prize winner - something cons would admire and defend and tout in a republican - but complain about in Obama.

4. Thanks for the idea, clem - you **** dolt - you **** door knob - you sister ****.








RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 11:11 am"]
Name one single idea conservatives support that Obama has done or proposed.
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You really are a **** idiot, clemtard.

Top Ten things Obama has done which conservatives support when a Republican does them

10.The "Making Work Pay" Tax Credit for the middle class and the temporary reduction of social security withholding which cut the taxes of every W2 worker in America. Extended aspects of the Bush tax cuts such as child credit expansions and changes to marriage bonuses and penalties. Also extended the cuts for couples earning under 250k (200k for singles).

9. Signed off on Bush's 2008 memorandum regarding aid to Israel and has kept to it assiduously, giving more aid to Israel per year than any other president. In military aid alone, Israel received 2.55 billion in 2008, and a $150,000,000 raise each subsequent year. Additionally, the US is funding in part the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip - all of which will benefit Israeli companies and the Israeli economy,

8. Increased the size of the Army (+65,000) and the Marines (+27,000) while keeping his promise to "build up our nation's Special Operations Forces, Civilian Affairs, Information Operations, Engineers, Foreign Area Officers and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply."

7. Kept his promise tto "Establish regularity in deployments: so that active duty and reserves know what they must expect, rather than the current trend of changing the deployment schedules after they have left home, which harms the morale of troops and their families." Also ended the stop loss programs of the Bush era which forced troops to stay in service beyond their actual commitments, restoring the Deployment Policies under which the affected service people enlisted - literally ending the broken promises of his predecessor.

6. He made and kept apromise to "End the abuse of the supplemental budgets, where much of the money has been lost, by creating system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget."

5.Afghanistan troop surge in 2009.

4.Addressed the chronic, decades-long mismanagement of federal forest lands by keeping his promise to prioritize the removal of brush, small trees and other overgrown vegetation that fuel wild fires - even delivered cleared bio-mass to local communities which had the capacity to use it for fuel. Conservatives raised hell about this chronic issue in the Bush years but were ignored. Obama defied enviro-weenies and directed his BLM to significantly increase controlled burns. Also joined the NRA-ILA in supporting the Open Fields Incentives Legislation, designed to open 10 million new acres to hunters and sportsmen, and written so that participating states control the programs to suit their individual needs - a "one size fits one," policy which keeps the feds in a hands off posture.

3. Created and disseminated an official "Best Practices" list for accommodating disabled persons in the work place - aboom to employers in minding their liabilities in an area that has created uncertainty and needless expense under previous presidents.

2. Saved Chrystler, and got the money back. That was genius when Reagan did it - treason under Obama. Weird, huh?

1. Championed and signed the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act - a pragmatic, proto-conservative response to the national security threat of chronic childhood obesity and the national disgrace of corporations marketing poisons to children in state institutions which they are required required by law to attend.

Okay - that will do. Honest readers will not the following:

1. I did not pad the list with anecdotal crap. I did not put the three different tax cuts Obama renewed under three different numbers - nor did I put his various improvements over bush in forest management, along with his support of access for hunters, into separate categories. I LOADED DOWN most of the numbers on that list.

2. Except for the last one, on which board pretendo-cons have been EXTREMELY progressive and anti-conservative, I did not list things that any broad swath of conservatives would not ordinarily applaud, if done by a republican.

3.Any of the things on my list which you find to be unfair - which you feel conservatives do NOT support, - just strike those items and insert killing bin Laden, gunning the Somali pirates, or killing anwar al awlakii. Obie has more confirmed kills than any currently living Nobel Peace Prize winner - sometthing cons would admire and defend and tout in a republican - but complain about in Obama.

4. Thanks for the idea, clem - you **** dolt - you **** door knob - you sister ****.

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:18 pm » wrote: You really are a **** idiot, clemtard.

Top Ten things Obama has done which conservatives support when a Republican does them

10. The "Making Work Pay" Tax Credit for the middle class; The temporary reduction of social security withholding which cut the taxes of every W2 worker in America; Extended aspects of the Bush tax cuts such as child credit expansions and changes to marriage bonuses and penalties. Also extended the cuts for couples earning under 250k (200k for singles).

An ineffective piece of liberal Keynesian welfare nonsense is "conservative?"

Imbecile.

9. Signed off on Bush's 2008 memorandum regarding aid to Israel and has kept to it assiduously, giving more aid to Israel per year than any other president. In military aid alone, Israel received 2.55 billion in 2008, and a $150,000,000 raise each subsequent year.

Obama didn't "do" that, moonbat. He opposed it when Bush proposed and got it signed into law, then caved rather than get crushed politically. Give us a freaking break.

8. Increased the size of the Army (+65,000) and the Marines (+27,000) while keeping his promise to "build up our nation's Special Operations Forces, Civilian Affairs, Information Operations, Engineers, Foreign Area Officers and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply."

Overall he has cut the military well below what his own advisers said was dangerously low.

Don't be freaking stupid.

7. Kept his promise tto "Establish regularity in deployments: so that active duty and reserves know what they must expect, rather than the current trend of changing the deployment schedules after they have left home, which harms the morale of troops and their families." Also ended the stop loss programs of the Bush era which forced troops to stay in service beyond their actual commitments, restoring the Deployment Policies under which the affected service people enlisted - literally ending the broken promises of his predecessor.

If you say so.

6. He made and kept a promise to "End the abuse of the supplemental budgets, where much of the money has been lost, by creating system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget."

He's run up roughly $8 trillion in higher debt and roughly $7 trillion in Fed-fabricated money.

You cite some chump change change and overlook that?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

5.Afghanistan troop surge in 2009.

Roughly 1/3 what his military wanted, so quite ineffective. Afghanistan will fall apart as soon as we leave.

4. Addressed the chronic, decades-long mismanagement of federal forest lands by keeping his promise to prioritize the removal of brush, small trees and other overgrown vegetation that fuel wild fires - even delivered cleared bio-mass to local communities which had the capacity to use it for fuel.

Wow, how did I ever miss this stupendous accomplishment?

2. Saved Chrystler, and got the money back. That was genius when Reagan did it - treason under Obama. Weird, huh?

I don't know about the Chrysler bailout, but the GM bailout was a $250,000/worker gift from taxpayers.

Would you like to label that "conservative," psycho?

4. Thanks for the idea, clem - you **** dolt - you **** door knob - you sister ****.

Clearly the meds aren't working, you babbling, drooling piece of garbage.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote:
An ineffective piece of liberal Keynesian welfare nonsense is "conservative?"

Imbecile.

Opposes democrat tax cuts - applauds republican tax cuts.

Thank you, clem.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: Obama didn't "do" that, moonbat. He opposed it when Bush proposed and got it signed into law, then caved rather than get crushed politically. Give us a freaking break.

Clintonian parsing of the word "do" - and Obie "did" it, it was "done" by him.

Bail - Point conceded.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: Overall he has cut the military well below what his own advisers said was dangerously low.

Don't be freaking stupid.

Bail - point conceded. Saw truth, didn't like it, offered lie, failed.

Your own link proves Obie has doubled the size and readiness of the military, clembot.

The one in your ***.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: If you say so.

Bail - point conceded.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote:He's run up roughly $8 trillion in higher debt and roughly $7 trillion in Fed-fabricated money.

You cite some chump change change and overlook that?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Bail - Point conceded. No response to issue. By implication admits point is valid - hopes that general grousing and prevaricating will make others overlook it.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: Roughly 1/3 what his military wanted, so quite ineffective. Afghanistan will fall apart as soon as we leave.

TWICE what was requested - according to YOUR link, bot. And THAT, you pathetic partisan, is the nature of quagmires, Quagmire. Google "exit strategy." Most POTUSes have one pre-invasion, as opposed to handing over a **** storm for the adults to solve, knowing their gay devotees wil pretend the want of an effective strategy belongs to the guy who DIDN''T invade, you **** shameless jaggov.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote:
Wow, how did I ever miss this stupendous accomplishment?

Bail - point conceded.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: I don't know about the Chrysler bailout, but the GM bailout was a $250,000/worker gift from taxpayers.

Bail. Point conceded.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: Would you like to label that "conservative," psycho?

Bail - Point conceded.

RichClem » 18 Oct 2014 10:34 pm » wrote: Clearly the meds aren't working, you babbling, drooling piece of garbage.

Bail - point conceded.

Poor Cannopointer.... Feeling guilty over getting duped TWICE by Obama.

i was just thinking... what would be one thing to cause the rest to be cancelled…. then, at the end you gave the clue.

on a national scale, perhaps with international implications, obama has opened the door to encouraging sister **** according to the projections in recent claims i have heard on this forum. Now that equal marriage is rolling to acceptance nationwide we have learned to expect an increased rate in sisterly love cravings amongst the brothers. The biggest problem with that is, if you flood the market with sister ****, sister **** looses its luster, devalued to the point that the thrill that decorates illicitness, nullifies or dullifies sensational benefit. They are calling it market tampering but what would they know about such a thing?

yes, all those illuminately itemized incidents were acceptable when viewed through elton john party glasses, but devaluing bonerability hits below the belt.

Brattle Street » 18 Oct 2014 11:11 pm » wrote:i was just thinking... what would be one thing to cause the rest to be cancelled…. then, at the end you gave the clue.

on a national scale, perhaps with international implications, obama has opened the door to encouraging sister **** according to the projections in recent claims i have heard on this forum. Now that equal marriage is rolling to acceptance nationwide we have learned to expect an increased rate in sisterly love cravings amongst the brothers. The biggest problem with that is, if you flood the market with sister ****, sister **** looses its luster, devalued to the point that the thrill that decorates illicitness, nullifies or dullifies sensational benefit. They are calling it market tampering but what would they know about such a thing?

yes, all those illuminately itemized incidents were acceptable when viewed through elton john party glasses, but devaluing bonerability hits below the belt.

Obama didn't support same sex marriage..... until it became politically convenient before the 2012 election you **** retarded neanderthal.

No offense to the other knuckle dragging neanderthals on the site.

Str8tEdge » 18 Oct 2014 11:14 pm » wrote: Obama didn't support same sex marriage..... until it became politically convenient before the 2012 election you **** retarded neanderthal.

No offense to the other knuckle dragging neanderthals on the site.

more troll crap
if the dimwit had the intellectual capacity, and shed his dedication to troll crap,
he would have noticed that his point was not germaine to my point which had nothing to do with any possible process by which obama arrived at his proclamation. we thank the vomit nurse for con firming the connection between equal marriage rights and sister **** though.

Brattle Street » 18 Oct 2014 11:40 pm » wrote: more troll crap
if the dimwit had the intellectual capacity, and shed his dedication to troll crap,
he would have noticed that his point was not germaine to my point which had nothing to do with any possible process by which obama arrived at his proclamation. we thank the vomit nurse for con firming the connection between equal marriage rights and sister **** though.

Well sure. It's a valid slippery slope argument that you minimized because you're too busy with a cock in your ***.

Brattle Street » 18 Oct 2014 11:11 pm » wrote:i was just thinking... what would be one thing to cause the rest to be cancelled…. then, at the end you gave the clue.

on a national scale, perhaps with international implications, obama has opened the door to encouraging sister **** according to the projections in recent claims i have heard on this forum. Now that equal marriage is rolling to acceptance nationwide we have learned to expect an increased rate in sisterly love cravings amongst the brothers. The biggest problem with that is, if you flood the market with sister ****, sister **** looses its luster, devalued to the point that the thrill that decorates illicitness, nullifies or dullifies sensational benefit. They are calling it market tampering but what would they know about such a thing?

yes, all those illuminately itemized incidents were acceptable when viewed through elton john party glasses, but devaluing bonerability hits below the belt.

That is a billiant observation. I think you have stumbled upon a key - one of the seven we need to unlock the crypt and acquire the seventh sword.

Happily, I am immune to Obama's master plan. There's nothing that Kenyan can do to stop the thrill I get when I creep into my sister's darkened bedroom, listening for the steady breathing that confirms she's in a deep and passive slumber.

Unless maybe he finds some way to make me come to grips with the fact that she really IS gone and she really DID mean no, and she really never IS coming home.

Why couldn't I read the screams?

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:18 pm » wrote:This should be a bit confronting to a FEW. I wish it would confront leftists, but that would be too much to ask. "My mother drunk or sober" should be the bumper sticker on the car of every liberal that still defends Obama (this does NOT include defending him against attacks from retarded hacks, badly launched for partisan reasons and defensible only on the planet repubelia - IOW, attacks from **** mouths like Glory Hole Clem and partisan cut-paste lowbrows like the goof.

10. tax cuts.

You ignore the many tax increases. The first one was an increase in the Cigarette tax which hist the poor people for the most part. Why do you ignore all of the tax increases that Obama and the Democrats pushed on the country. Raising the top income tax rate actually hurt the revenue from the rich. He knew this in an interview late in 2008. He said he still wanted the rate hike just to be fair. How is cutting the revenue from the rich helping the rest of us??? David and Christina Romer are two liberal economics professors at US Berkeley. They studied financial data from 1947 to 2005. They produced an analysis in 2007 and given to the Economic Review. They produced an update of it a few years later. Part of their findings is that when the top rate goes above 33% the revenue from the rich falls thus the peak of the Laffer Curve is 33%. They also found that for each 1% rise in tax rate above this peak the GDP will take a 3% hit. Keep in mind that Christina Romer was the first Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Obama administration.


9. He was forced to follow the law. What you ignore is that he has continuously treated the Israeli prime minister badly. He down plays the problems with the attacks on it by Hamas and other jihad terrorists. He refuses to even call these people terrorists. He ignores the fact that the Hamas charter calls for the death of all Jews. When conflict comes he is always siding with the Jihadists. When Israel asked to buy more rockets for their Iron Dome defensive system he ignored them.

8. Increased the size of the armed forces????? That was just temporary foolish one. After a couple of years he kept on reducing the size of the military. That caused the less able National guard and the reserves of the take up the slack and take turns in the rotation. Our military is much weakened now. Why do you ignore this????

7. regularity of deployments has had to use the reserves and guard to do that. Your head is in the sand.

6. End the abuse of the supplemental budgets? Until the most recent budget it was continuing resolutions that had an increase in the % spent in all budget areas. Thus using the first budget he had with the stimulus and the last part of the TARP was continued in the money to be used for the budget. The Democrats divided it up the way they wanted to in the first one so we had years of $1 trillion plus deficits. It has been tapered down now but still makes the Bush budgets done by Republicans look like a miser. Why do Democrats who ranted and raved about the Bush deficits go silent on the Obama deficits????? HYPOCRISY

5. 2009 troop surge in Afghanistan. Too little too late. Pathetic surge. Why does he ignore the people who know what they are doing. Why does he go with political hacks instead of people who know what they are doing. The Ebola Czar is a perfect example.

4. Never heard of this. What I leep on hearing is the devastation he keeps on causing with his green EPA actions. Coal is being killed. Counties of areas where the miners are the big majority of people living there they are mostly out of work and the newer regulations will kill all coal. Obama made a speech and is proud of this. He keeps on killing other jobs with the EPA.

3. Best practices for disabled veterans along side of the vets dying for lack of treatment.

2. Saved Chrysler but gutted GM. Obama killed Pontiac and Saturn then tried to kill Hummer. He violated the law and killed all of the preferred stocks that are first in line for money on a bankruptcy thus killing many peoples 401K that had investment in these stocks. Such a great President. Laws and the constitution mean nothing to him and his administration. The money given to them was paid back and then loaned back to them thus allowing the administration to say that GM paid the government back.

1. Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act???? Most of the issues in the act were already being done locally. Much ado about nothing.

Brattle Street » 18 Oct 2014 11:11 pm » wrote:i was just thinking...

That assumes facts not in evidence!!!!!!

don't forget started a illegal war against a brand new set of militant Muslim boogeymen...you would think the right would be building statues of him for that one

OH and lets not forget Russia...fkn Russia hates us again.
its like the gippers reign all over (with less parkinsons disease i suppose)

Lostphoenix » 19 Oct 2014 9:33 am » wrote:don't forget started a illegal war against a brand new set of militant Muslim boogeymen...you would think the right would be building statues of him for that one

Progs/libs/dems don't start illegal wars. They start Overseas Contingency Missions and counter terrorism operations with many moving parts, silly.

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:45 pm » wrote: Opposes democrat tax cuts - applauds republican tax cuts.

Thank you, clem.

Cite one single time I have ever supported a Keynesian tax cut.


Rotsa ruck, psycho.

Clintonian parsing of the word "do" - and Obie "did" it, it was "done" by him.

Bail - Point conceded.

Okay, I'll give him 1.5 on a scale of ten.

Congrats on that huge victory.

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:45 pm » wrote: Bail - point conceded. Saw truth, didn't like it, offered lie, failed.

Your own link proves Obie has doubled the size and readiness of the military, clembot.

The one in your ***.

I don't believe it. And even if true, it's overwhelmed by the way he's gutted the military beyond what even moderate Leon Panetta warned about as deeply dangerous.

Bleat all you want, imbecile.

OBama's 2014 millitary cuts:

http://www.npr.org/2014/03/05/286225875 ... itary-cuts

The President's new budget proposes cutting the Army to its lowest troop level since before World War II. Todd Harrison of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments weighs in.

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:45 pm » wrote: TWICE what was requested - according to YOUR link, bot. And THAT, you pathetic partisan, is the nature of quagmires, Quagmire. Google "exit strategy." Most POTUSes have one pre-invasion, as opposed to handing over a **** storm for the adults to solve, knowing their gay devotees wil pretend the want of an effective strategy belongs to the guy who DIDN''T invade, you **** shameless jaggov.

Bulls***. He sent one third the number of troops his own military recommended, maybe one half. I forget.

And a quagmire is caused by refusing to do what's necessary to win.

Cannonpointer » 18 Oct 2014 10:45 pm » wrote: Bail - point conceded.

Bail. Point conceded.


Bail - Point conceded.

Bail - point conceded.

Yeah, all worth their weight in gold.

Gen mcchrystal's request had three options ranging from 40000 to 60000 troops. Obama settled on 30,000.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB125967363641871171

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/world ... .html?_r=0