trump loves to shift focus from his real agenda. murdering 2 million people

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By jerra b
10 Jun 2025 2:25 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 1:29 pm » wrote: Well, I am a true Trump supporter.  I love the guy!

because he is a liar and you love  liars.
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13 Jun 2025 1:32 pm
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 1:31 pm » wrote: because he is a liar and you love  liars.
I love Trump.  He is delivering on his campaign promises. 
 
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 1:32 pm » wrote: I love Trump.  He is delivering on his campaign promises.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/25/politics ... kraine-war

Fact check: It wasn’t ‘in jest.’ Here are 53 times Trump said he’d end Ukraine war within 24 hours or before taking office
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jerra b » 13 Jun 2025, 1:11 pm » wrote: all you ever  do lie about me.

 
All you do is pretend reality is larger than evolving in plain sight relative to your genetic time alive now. You are alive spontaneously here, simultaneously living as everything else beyond your flesh being as specific as your own heartbeat being only yours now.
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13 Jun 2025 2:24 pm
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 1:31 pm » wrote: because he is a liar and you love  liars.
What a joke it is to see you calling other people liars.... :rolleyes:  

There are countless news articles about Trump saying that Gaza could / should become property of the USA...but THERE ARE NO ARTICLES / NO QUOTES TO BACK YOUR LIE TRUMP STATED HE WAS GOING TO MAKE GAZA HIS OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY.

At this point you might as well  lie to your heart's content about what Trump never said because you're already going to Hell.    :twisted:  
 
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 2:03 pm » wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/25/politics ... kraine-war

Fact check: It wasn’t ‘in jest.’ Here are 53 times Trump said he’d end Ukraine war within 24 hours or before taking office
Come back to use in 3.5 years. 
 
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 1:32 pm » wrote: I love Trump.  He is delivering on his campaign promises.
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The problem is no sooner did Siegel come home, the progress stopped cold.As Trump spoke of "buying" Gaza and clearing Palestinians out, the cease-fire ended and fighting picked up right where it left off.The president who campaigned on ending wars ran headfirst into reality."It's very hard for him to claim a victory anywhere," said Steven Cook with the Council on Foreign Relations.Cook is a senior fellow at the Nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations. He says the Middle East, where Trump revived a deal negotiated six months earlier by the Biden White House, is just one example of a world still on fire.


https://abc7ny.com/post/trump-100-days- ... /16277679/

not only is trump not stopping the war in gaza, a campaign promise, he is ramping it up.
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 3:02 pm » wrote: ---------------------------------------------
The problem is no sooner did Siegel come home, the progress stopped cold.As Trump spoke of "buying" Gaza and clearing Palestinians out, the cease-fire ended and fighting picked up right where it left off.The president who campaigned on ending wars ran headfirst into reality."It's very hard for him to claim a victory anywhere," said Steven Cook with the Council on Foreign Relations.Cook is a senior fellow at the Nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations. He says the Middle East, where Trump revived a deal negotiated six months earlier by the Biden White House, is just one example of a world still on fire.
Trump really tried to end both wars.  Neither Putin nor Zellensky were interested.  As for Gaza - he repeatedly tried to tell them - just release the hostages and lay down your arms to end the war.  They had no interest in ever ending the war.  The Israelis would have gladly ended it if they could get their citizens back alive and get them to agree to end all hostilities. 

Sometimes, you just can't get a deal with people who would rather die than prosper.  Trump offers prosperity for peace.  The Devil sells hate and war for souls. People have free will to choose their fates and destinies. 
 
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 3:02 pm » wrote: ---------------------------------------------

not only is trump not stopping the war in gaza, a campaign promise, he is ramping it up.
 
Sometimes you have to ride that train as fast as you can straight through Hell, to get to the other side, without the Devil ever knowing you were there. ....or something like that. 
 
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:11 pm » wrote: Trump really tried to end both wars.  Neither Putin nor Zellensky were interested.  As for Gaza - he repeatedly tried to tell them - just release the hostages and lay down your arms to end the war.  They had no interest in ever ending the war.  The Israelis would have gladly ended it if they could get their citizens back alive and get them to agree to end all hostilities. 

Sometimes, you just can't get a deal with people who would rather die than prosper.  Trump offers prosperity for peace.  The Devil sells hate and war for souls. People have free will to choose their fates and destinies.

putin has made it known that ukraine has to stop trying to join nato for there to be a peace deal. trump was close to this but when he signed the mineral deals all that went out the window.
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: Sometimes you have to ride that train as fast as you can straight through Hell, to get to the other side, without the Devil ever knowing you were there. ....or something like that. 
trump blew a peace deal in israel when  he chose to turn gaza into a rivera and evict everyone permanently from gaza.
 
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:11 pm » wrote: Trump really tried to end both wars.  Neither Putin nor Zellensky were interested.  As for Gaza - he repeatedly tried to tell them - just release the hostages and lay down your arms to end the war.  They had no interest in ever ending the war.  The Israelis would have gladly ended it if they could get their citizens back alive and get them to agree to end all hostilities. 

Sometimes, you just can't get a deal with people who would rather die than prosper.  Trump offers prosperity for peace.  The Devil sells hate and war for souls. People have free will to choose their fates and destinies.

all trump offered for the people in gaza was permanent evictions.

this after qatar and other me countries offered to rebuild gaza for the people of gaza, not americans or trump.
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: Sometimes you have to ride that train as fast as you can straight through Hell, to get to the other side, without the Devil ever knowing you were there. ....or something like that. 

https://kyivindependent.com/minerals-de ... nsky-says/
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: Sometimes you have to ride that train as fast as you can straight through Hell, to get to the other side, without the Devil ever knowing you were there. ....or something like that. 
how is this negotiating a peace deal with russia?????

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Posting on X, she said the deal establishes a reconstruction investment fund to help attract Western investment in Ukrainian projects in minerals, oil and gas.She says the resources will remain the property of Ukraine, and Kyiv will choose where to do the extracting.The partnership will be equal, on a 50/50 basis, she says, adding that the agreement includes no debt obligation to the US.The US will play a role in helping to attract investment and technology to the projects in Ukraine.As part of the deal, the US will contribute new assistance to Kyiv, which may include, for example, air defence system


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn527pz54neo

 
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Skans » 13 Jun 2025, 3:11 pm » wrote: Trump really tried to end both wars.  Neither Putin nor Zellensky were interested.  As for Gaza - he repeatedly tried to tell them - just release the hostages and lay down your arms to end the war.  They had no interest in ever ending the war.  The Israelis would have gladly ended it if they could get their citizens back alive and get them to agree to end all hostilities. 

Sometimes, you just can't get a deal with people who would rather die than prosper.  Trump offers prosperity for peace.  The Devil sells hate and war for souls. People have free will to choose their fates and destinies.
https://kyivindependent.com/why-is-ukra ... into-nato/
The previous U.S. administration silently opposed extending a NATO invitation to Ukraine. The current U.S. administration has made its opposition public."You can forget about (NATO membership). That's probably the reason the whole thing (war) started," U.S. President Donald Trump said on Feb. 26 when asked about the potential settlement between Ukraine and Russia.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-know ... erals-deal


 Wednesday, April 30, 2025, the United States and Ukraine signed a long-awaited deal to establish a joint investment fund for the reconstruction of Ukraine. The fund will be capitalized, in part, by revenues from future natural resource extraction. The newly signed agreement is a positive step in U.S.-Ukraine relations following contentious meetings between U.S. President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. While more favorable to Ukraine than earlier iterations, the deal’s effectiveness hinges on long-term peace and stable investment conditions. Key barriers include outdated geological surveys, degraded energy infrastructure, and unresolved security risks. The agreement reflects the Trump administration’s transactional approach to mineral diplomacy and may serve as a template for similar deals, such as the emerging U.S.–Democratic Republic of the Congo cooperation framework.

-------------------------------------------when  the mineral deal was signed all negotiations were trashed by trump.
 
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jerra b » 13 Jun 2025, 2:03 pm » wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/25/politics ... kraine-war

Fact check: It wasn’t ‘in jest.’ Here are 53 times Trump said he’d end Ukraine war within 24 hours or before taking office
What separates factual time and actual related ancestors with hearts bating now from actual time and factual typecast people defined by theories and theologies shared throughout history into current events 7 days a week? context not chromosomes.
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 4:12 pm » wrote: putin has made it known that ukraine has to stop trying to join nato for there to be a peace deal. trump was close to this but when he signed the mineral deals all that went out the window.
How do you morally justify Ukraine being prohibited from joining an alliance to protect itself and other European nations from Russian aggression?
 
 
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 4:15 pm » wrote: trump blew a peace deal in israel when  he chose to turn gaza into a rivera and evict everyone permanently from gaza.
That's a load of crap.  No one has been evicted from Gaza because no one wants them.  
 
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jerrab » 13 Jun 2025, 4:40 pm » wrote: how is this negotiating a peace deal with russia?????

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Posting on X, she said the deal establishes a reconstruction investment fund to help attract Western investment in Ukrainian projects in minerals, oil and gas.She says the resources will remain the property of Ukraine, and Kyiv will choose where to do the extracting.The partnership will be equal, on a 50/50 basis, she says, adding that the agreement includes no debt obligation to the US.The US will play a role in helping to attract investment and technology to the projects in Ukraine.As part of the deal, the US will contribute new assistance to Kyiv, which may include, for example, air defence system

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn527pz54neo


 
Negotiations are multifaceted.  Sometimes, when you are negotiating with "tough guys", you must be prepared to give the other side an offer "they can't refuse".  Image
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Skans » 14 Jun 2025, 9:06 am » wrote: How do you morally justify Ukraine being prohibited from joining an alliance to protect itself and other European nations from Russian aggression?
nato voted many times to not let ukraine join.

how do you justify nato not  saying officially ukraine can't join after 3 years of being bombed by russia? or trump not making ukraine sign a peace treaty because  russia won't stop until they do. but trump saw dollar signs in the mineral deal and that was more important than peace.

russia does not  want ukraine to join nato because then nato could put missiles on russia's border.
 
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