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I heard Trumpocalypse was gonna have this thing wrapped up by COB today?

https://youtu.be/znDgBy2mHbc?si=LNsIwufqwbWONpfG

Zeets2 » 17 Jun 2025, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 12:39 pm

Just the one stopping Iran from getting nukes is it!  And again, we're not talking about regime change or any kind of invasion.  We're talking about a few B-2 bomber runs to destroy the nuke facility in Fordow just outside of Tehran.  The Israeli's can handle anything else that's needed.  That's much more of an immediate need than spending another dime defending Ukraine, who has clearly shown that they have no interest whatsoever in a peaceful settlement with Russia, so as far as Trump is concerned, we really have no need to keep funding their war until they lose enough territory to Russia forces them to the peace table.

fireballs..  not cinnamon whiskey.. mushroom clouditis coming to your neighborhood soon..   They don't call mutually assured destruction MAD for nothing.

India and Pakistan have nukes.  They were at each others throats a month ago.

Nobody blew up. Very few people died.  And Trumpocalypse stole it as his own success.

Both Pakistan and India are like "WTF is wrong with the dude?". I realize discussing anything outside of the America First Hole In One Zone fries your neural synapsis of the action like a Feasterville McDonalds

Get phooking woke azzhole..  Listen to some Music

https://youtu.be/DkytJLoxGmQ?si=Pul7bnv6ug9ZOOOo
 
 
 

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 4:01 pm

Well, perhaps the ones that are still there like it there.  Just perhaps the Iranian men like their women wearing burkas, like to have complete dominance over them, like to be allowed to treat them like personal property.  After decades of being allowed to do this, do you think they looking to trade it for this......  Also, how many freaking Iranians do you know?  I knew one once, but he was Christian.

I never said I know what all Iranians want anymore than you just did. You start with "perhaps" and then rant speculation followed by an accusatory tone about my opinion.

Sure, some ****-mouth how wonderful being under a yoke is. All safe and predictable.
(Some Russians said that too, hoping something would mitigate the chaos after the Soviet break up.)

It's what you're used to. No surprise there.
Doesn't mean they have any particular love for that. Closed societies aren't so closed anymore.
Between reading a few books and talking to some folks, I form some kind of opinion.
It is only that. An opinion that, just like yours, is coming from a western point of view.

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 3:56 pm

Why, Daddy, WHY???

Yumutha's a size queen.

DeezerShoove » 17 Jun 2025, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 3:32 pm

What wrong reasons? We just chat and I don't grill them.
Their impressions voiced to me paints a picture of why they did all they could
to escape the government (not their own people).

They are just another set of folks that have said (to my face) about Americans in general:
"You don't realize what you have here."

As I said: If you would know the feelings of Iranians, you'd have to go to Iran. 

You are getting the feelings of expats, and mistaking those for the feelings of workaday Iranians. 

The whole "captive of a **** government" thing IS a real thing - don't get me wrong. You are one. 

And it takes on to know one. I'm one. 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2025, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 10:31 pm

As I said: If you would know the feelings of Iranians, you'd have to go to Iran. 

You are getting the feelings of expats, and mistaking those for the feelings of workaday Iranians. 

The whole "captive of a **** government" thing IS a real thing - don't get me wrong. You are one. 

And it takes on to know one. I'm one.

I'm not mistaking anything.
You're assuming I pretend to know "people that are still there" based on, as I explicitly said, "escapees".
Certainly they know more than you or I, though.
If you cannot grant me that much then I don't know what you're driving at.

If you or I went to a foreign land, I dare say we'd know more about day-to-day American life
than your average Ubangi.
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jun 2025, 10:58 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 10:58 pm

I'm not mistaking anything.
You're assuming I pretend to know "people that are still there" based on, as I explicitly said, "escapees".
Certainly they know more than you or I, though.
If you cannot grant me that much then I don't know what you're driving at.

If you or I went to a foreign land, I dare say we'd know more about day-to-day American life
than your average Ubangi.
 

 

I don't doubt expats know a bit moreabout their homelandthan do folks who've not traveled there.

I'm simply arguing that that people who left are a bad source to know how the people who stayed feel. 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2025, 11:11 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:11 pm

I don't doubt expats know a bit moreabout their homelandthan do folks who've not traveled there.

I'm simply arguing that that people who left are a bad source to know how the people who stayed feel.

Not necessarily. A Chinese buddy I golf with defends China vigorously most of the time.
I think you're assuming a giant chip exists on shoulders.

DeezerShoove » 17 Jun 2025, 11:14 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:14 pm

Not necessarily. A Chinese buddy I golf with defends China vigorously most of the time.
I think you're assuming a giant chip exists on shoulders.

I don't trust your chinaman, either. My position is not altered by his defenses. 

I have not said that an expat CANNOT represent the mainstream view. I am simply saying that what expats say about their homeland's government is no kind of evidence what the mainstream thinks. And that includes your token yellow peril.
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2025, 11:20 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:20 pm

I don't trust your chinaman, either. My position is not altered by his defenses. 

I have not said that an expat CANNOT represent the mainstream view. I am simply saying that what expats say about their homeland's government is no kind of evidence what the mainstream thinks. And that includes your token yellow peril.

Sez you, round eyes...

DeezerShoove » 17 Jun 2025, 11:22 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:22 pm

Sez you, round eyes...

Not just me. Sez Dr. Google.

I axed AI, "Do expats generally represent the mainstream culture of their native countries?"

And what did AI say?

Not necessarily, it's a complex issue! 

While expats carry their cultural backgrounds with them, several factors influence how they represent their native culture abroad, and whether that representation aligns with the "mainstream". 

Here's why it's not a simple yes or no:

• Individual differences: Each expat is an individual with unique experiences and perspectives. Some may be more inclined to maintain and represent their traditional customs, while others may be more open to adopting aspects of the host culture and even developing a hybrid identity.

 

• Reasons for migration: Expats move for various reasons, including work, lifestyle preferences, or seeking better opportunities. These motivations can impact their level of engagement with both their home and host cultures.

 

• Interaction with the host culture: The degree to which expats interact with the local population and their openness to adaptation will influence how they are perceived and whether they represent their native culture in a way that resonates with the mainstream.

 

• Cultural adaptation and change: Living abroad often leads to a degree of cultural adaptation and change. Expats may adopt new behaviors and perspectives, potentially leading to a shift in their cultural identity and how they present themselves to others.

 

• Stereotypes and perceptions: The perception of expats by the host country can be influenced by stereotypes and biases, regardless of whether those perceptions are accurate.  

In summary: Expats don't automatically represent the mainstream culture of their native countries. They are diverse individuals with varying experiences and approaches to cultural identity in a new environment. The level and type of cultural representation they embody depend on a complex interplay of personal choices, interactions with the host culture, and even pre-existing perceptions and stereotypes.
 
So you can see that, "I know me some chinamen" does not necessarily give you any insights that the average aardvark doesn't have.

It's a crap shoot, sir. And a hell of a day at sea.
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2025, 11:40 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:40 pm

Not just me. Sez Dr. Google.

I axed AI, "Do expats generally represent the mainstream culture of their native countries?"

And what did AI say?

Not necessarily, it's a complex issue! 

While expats carry their cultural backgrounds with them, several factors influence how they represent their native culture abroad, and whether that representation aligns with the "mainstream". 

Here's why it's not a simple yes or no:

• Individual differences: Each expat is an individual with unique experiences and perspectives. Some may be more inclined to maintain and represent their traditional customs, while others may be more open to adopting aspects of the host culture and even developing a hybrid identity.

• Reasons for migration: Expats move for various reasons, including work, lifestyle preferences, or seeking better opportunities. These motivations can impact their level of engagement with both their home and host cultures.

• Interaction with the host culture: The degree to which expats interact with the local population and their openness to adaptation will influence how they are perceived and whether they represent their native culture in a way that resonates with the mainstream.

• Cultural adaptation and change: Living abroad often leads to a degree of cultural adaptation and change. Expats may adopt new behaviors and perspectives, potentially leading to a shift in their cultural identity and how they present themselves to others.

• Stereotypes and perceptions: The perception of expats by the host country can be influenced by stereotypes and biases, regardless of whether those perceptions are accurate.  

In summary: Expats don't automatically represent the mainstream culture of their native countries. They are diverse individuals with varying experiences and approaches to cultural identity in a new environment. The level and type of cultural representation they embody depend on a complex interplay of personal choices, interactions with the host culture, and even pre-existing perceptions and stereotypes.
 
So you can see that, "I know me some chinamen" does not necessarily give you any insights that the average aardvark doesn't have.

It's a crap shoot, sir. And a hell of a day at sea.

I already said "not necessarily".

See, that's why I get hired at top pay for jobs like these.
I am Actual Artificial Intelligence.

...or is it Artificial Actual Intelligence? Six of one, √36 of another...

Mrkelly » 17 Jun 2025, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:21 am

  Goofy ****

 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jun 2025, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:30 am

With what weapons, what intel, what money?

You clowns are going to learn that it isn't 1967 anymore.

Say, didja hear about those starving kids in India and China? They're great grandparents now, and they're not starving anymore.

Just so ya know.

Oh - and Mexico has subways.

 

Cedar » 17 Jun 2025, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:43 am

How many foreign wars do you want to fund at one time?

I don’t want to get involved in another foreign war, I don’t hate Jews. Both can be true.

Agreed...this reeks of bush's WMD BS...

the Jews, like the Ruskies, are gonna do what they feel is necessary and we need to mind our own **** business...
 

Cedar » 17 Jun 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 11:44 am

I’m old enough to remember “ Weapons of Mass Destruction.”

Exactly!
 

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 1:11 pm

You better think this through.  If you bomb Uranium enrichment facilities, where there may be 70% weapons grade material, enough to build 9 nuclear weapons, what happens to that after the bomb goes off, Israel leaves and the US has moved on to having a space war with China?  I'll tell you what happens:

• Some terrorist cell with bulldozers and Geiger counters dig up that fissionable material.
• They sell it to Yemen, Burkina Fazo and a Mexican Drug cartel. 

Then, good luck trying to put that genie back in the bottle. 

This is Israel's war.  Israel need to put boots on the ground and recover that fissionable material  I don't mind the US supporting an operation like this with intel, equipment and ordnance.  But, it's up to the Israelis to get the job done and get it done right.  It will be on THEM if they half-*** this and leave fissionable uranium laying around like Joe Biden left military equipment in Afghanistan.

Agreed....
 

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 1:17 pm

Life is like a bunch of Russians. You never know which one isn't mafia.

 

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 3:56 pm

Why, Daddy, WHY???

Skans » 17 Jun 2025, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 4:01 pm

Well, perhaps the ones that are still there like it there.  Just perhaps the Iranian men like their women wearing burkas, like to have complete dominance over them, like to be allowed to treat them like personal property.  After decades of being allowed to do this, do you think they looking to trade it for this...... Also, how many freaking Iranians do you know?  I knew one once, but he was Christian.

I'd flee too, with those kind of "catches" available...