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In the next couple of years, NATO will end.  Here's why:

• Ukraine will be forbidden from joining NATO
• Turkey will try to enlarge its boundaries deep into Syria.  This will be opposed by the US and Israel.

That will be enough to fracture NATO, and for another North Atlantic coalition to be formed.  The new one won't include Turkey and may leave out some other countries as well.  France may not want to be tied to the US any longer, and Britain will be a real question mark. The Eastern European nations will seek to join an alliance in which the US is a member, because they are sitting ducks without it. 

There you go, boys and girls.  NATO isn't forever. 

Could very well happen. I have been looking at another possibility. I believe there is a very good chance that the EPP will soon rule.

EPP - European People's Party

https://www.epp.eu › papersEPP - European People's Party - EPP Manifesto 2024

As the EPP, we have built a Europe where people’s dignity, security and freedom always come first. We, as Europeans, are more than the sum of our national identities. Our history, our …
 
 
 

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am

In the next couple of years, NATO will end.  Here's why:

• Ukraine will be forbidden from joining NATO
• Turkey will try to enlarge its boundaries deep into Syria.  This will be opposed by the US and Israel.

That will be enough to fracture NATO, and for another North Atlantic coalition to be formed.  The new one won't include Turkey and may leave out some other countries as well.  France may not want to be tied to the US any longer, and Britain will be a real question mark. The Eastern European nations will seek to join an alliance in which the US is a member, because they are sitting ducks without it. 

There you go, boys and girls.  NATO isn't forever.

It's always good to see bold but well reasoned  predictions at the forum....  

MR-7 » 18 Jun 2025, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 9:32 am

Could very well happen. I have been looking at another possibility. I believe there is a very good chance that the EPP will soon rule.

EPP - European People's Party

https://www.epp.eu › papersEPP - European People's Party - EPP Manifesto 2024

As the EPP, we have built a Europe where people’s dignity, security and freedom always come first. We, as Europeans, are more than the sum of our national identities. Our history, our …

They're "environmentalists" . . .

That already makes them morons.

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am

In the next couple of years, NATO will end.  Here's why:

• Ukraine will be forbidden from joining NATO
• Turkey will try to enlarge its boundaries deep into Syria.  This will be opposed by the US and Israel.

That will be enough to fracture NATO, and for another North Atlantic coalition to be formed.  The new one won't include Turkey and may leave out some other countries as well.  France may not want to be tied to the US any longer, and Britain will be a real question mark. The Eastern European nations will seek to join an alliance in which the US is a member, because they are sitting ducks without it. 

There you go, boys and girls.  NATO isn't forever. 

Here is a bigger prediction, humanity will implode by 2030. Imploding social order doesn't mean extinction of the species either, just how humanity governs every generation gap alive each rotation people deny now is eternity due to perpetual balancing outcomes have always sustained genetic continuation in this adapt or become extinct environment.

Humans corrupted themselves, not some supernatural intellect beyond adapting forward so far.

31stArrival » 18 Jun 2025, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 11:28 am

Here is a bigger prediction, humanity will implode by 2030. Imploding social order doesn't mean extinction of the species either, 

What a weasel prediction.  :rolleyes:     Seriously, did you have your balls blown off in Vietnam?

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 12:15 pm

What a weasel prediction.  :rolleyes:     Seriously, did you have your balls blown off in Vietnam?

Your reality banks on context defining content genetically evolving one ancestor at a time on the world stage intellectually measured by speculation every generation lived since dawn of civilization started social evolving around ideas anything else is possible than genetics is the only source of eternal separation of lifetimes here now.

Longitude time zones 15 degrees of rotation apart 24/7.
Latitudes between equator and bipolar axis with opposing seasons daily here between 4 seasonal shifts during the same 365.2422 days a year dawn, noon, dusk, midnight never changing positions on a rotating planet revolving around a star in a 3rd rock from the sun scenario.

Perpetual balancing outcomes with all incoming details never duplicated again working same patterns of evolution so far.

What if genetics isn't the only source of lifetimes never same ancestors again between 5 current generation gaps among the characteristics of temperate zone evolving black, brown, yellow, red, white and the hybrid combinations since civilization started recording human behavior daily here using physical absolutes as lies and anything else is possible speculation as absolutely true to character role playing tomorrow literally timed midnight to noon International Dateline in the pacific 180 degrees from Greenwich noon prime meridian.

Both spontaneously exist as does dawn leading edge of planet revolving around the sun and dusk(west) sunset when the star is at the core of the solar system of this rotating planet.

Series parallel time to things occupying space adapting since replacing their previous 4 generation gaps so far. One at a time.

Simple compounding chromosomes.

31stArrival » 18 Jun 2025, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 1:26 pm

Your reality banks

"HELLO BOYS AND GIRLS, MY NAME IS SENIOR TESTICULO
WHEN MY MAN WAS JUST 18, I GOT BLOWN CLEAN OFF HIS BODY 
IN VIETNAM"

DeezerShoove » 18 Jun 2025, 11:00 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 11:00 am

They're "environmentalists" . . .

That already makes them morons.

Not an environmentalist group
The European People's Party (EPP) is a political group in the European Parliament consisting of deputies from member parties of the European People's Party (EPP)13. It is not an environmentalist group. The EPP has been criticized for aligning its policy position with national-conservative and far-right parties4.
 
 

Mankind is a loose cannon

always has been and always will be

imagine the **** show if it was estrogen fueled

MR-7 » 18 Jun 2025, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 3:08 pm

Not an environmentalist group
The European People's Party (EPP) is a political group in the European Parliament consisting of deputies from member parties of the European People's Party (EPP)13. It is not an environmentalist group. The EPP has been criticized for aligning its policy position with national-conservative and far-right parties4.

Read their manifesto. Support the New Green Deal.

nefarious101 » 18 Jun 2025, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:02 pm

Mankind is a loose cannon

always has been and always will be

imagine the **** show if it was estrogen fueled

I was just dealing with an event consisting of about 100 women and 5 men.
Never heard a bitch one time from the men. **** women though... wow...

Some are cool but collectively they really are a pain in the ***.

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 9:08 am

In the next couple of years, NATO will end.  Here's why:

• Ukraine will be forbidden from joining NATO
• Turkey will try to enlarge its boundaries deep into Syria.  This will be opposed by the US and Israel.

That will be enough to fracture NATO, and for another North Atlantic coalition to be formed.  The new one won't include Turkey and may leave out some other countries as well.  France may not want to be tied to the US any longer, and Britain will be a real question mark. The Eastern European nations will seek to join an alliance in which the US is a member, because they are sitting ducks without it. 

There you go, boys and girls.  NATO isn't forever.

ukraine is forbidden to join nato. zelinsky just won't admit it and nato and trump won't say it either. the war in ukraine will end when they do.

DeezerShoove » 18 Jun 2025, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:06 pm

Read their manifesto. Support the New Green Deal.

I read it....

2.3 Our Europe needs energy It is not without reason that coal and steel were the foundations of European integration. Our Europe has always relied on shared energy. Today, with the consequences of the Russian war of aggression in Ukraine and the systemic competition with China, this is all the more important. We will invest more in the development of electricity and gas network interconnections between EU Member States in order to create a more united and efficient Energy Union. We will encourage investments to integrate further the European electricity and gas market to ensure lower prices for European citizens and our businesses. 

jerrab » 18 Jun 2025, 4:14 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:14 pm

ukraine is forbidden to join nato. zelinsky just won't admit it and nato and trump won't say it either. the war in ukraine will end when they do.

I think Putin takes some lead to the head soon.  We shall see. Could be wrong? Perhaps not. 
 

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:23 pm

I think Putin takes some lead to the head soon.  We shall see. Could be wrong? Perhaps not.

putin has been trying stop the war in ukraine for a long time, did not even want to start it but zelinsky is determined to join nato and put missiles on russias border and will not sign a peace treaty.

MR-7 » 18 Jun 2025, 4:18 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:18 pm

I read it....

2.3 Our Europe needs energy It is not without reason that coal and steel were the foundations of European integration. Our Europe has always relied on shared energy. Today, with the consequences of the Russian war of aggression in Ukraine and the systemic competition with China, this is all the more important. We will invest more in the development of electricity and gas network interconnections between EU Member States in order to create a more united and efficient Energy Union. We will encourage investments to integrate further the European electricity and gas market to ensure lower prices for European citizens and our businesses.

You almost read enough   Lots of "phrasing" in whacko-speak. Jus' sayin'...

2.4 Our Europe prospers and protects people and the planet
Europe has a leading role to play in global climate protection. Our hallmark is the European Green Deal. The European Green Deal was born out of the necessity to protect people and the planet. But it was also designed as an opportunity to build our future prosperity. In 2022, for instance, greenhouse gas emissions in Europe decreased by roughly 2.5%, while the economy increased by 3.5%. We have successfully reduced our emissions while growing our economy. European businesses are developing new technologies and solutions. What they need to scale up is, predictability, to plan their investments. And this is what the European Green Deal is delivering.
Four years ago, we set a long-term perspective with the climate law and the 2050 target. We shifted the climate agenda to being an economic one. This has given a clear sense of direction for investment and innovation and a clear steer for Europe to become the first climate-neutral continent by 2050. As we enter the next phase of the European Green Deal, the phase of implementation, we will keep supporting European industry throughout this transition - from the Net-Zero Industry Act to the Critical Raw Materials Act. With our Industry Strategy, we are looking at the risks to and needs of each ecosystem in this transition. The core aim will be to support every sector in building its business model for the decarbonisation of industry. Because we believe that this transition is essential for our future competitiveness in Europe. From wind to steel, from batteries to electric vehicles, our ambition is crystal clear: the future of our clean tech industry has to be made in Europe.
To achieve our ambitious goals, we must make climate policy go hand in hand with our economy and society. Because we know that, without climate protection, our economy cannot remain competitive in the long term but that, without a competitive economy, there can be no sustainable climate protection either. The Green Deal for us is not a new ideology as advocated by the Greens or the Socialists, it is the hallmark of the more prosperous, innovative, competitive and sustainable Europe that the EPP envisions.  We are clearly committed to the 55% emissions-reduction target and the goal of climate neutrality by 2050. Europe must not de-industrialise on this ambitious path but, on the contrary, must show the world that the carbon-neutral transformation can be achieved successfully through our businesses. It is important to support our companies - especially SMEs, farmers and fishers - financially in the transition and to find the best solutions for reducing global emissions. We will achieve the best solutions only if we use...

...Climate protection is a common European challenge. We want the EU to become responsible for concluding international environmental agreements for the entire EU.

DeezerShoove » 18 Jun 2025, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:32 pm

You almost read enough   Lots of "phrasing" in whacko-speak. Jus' sayin'...

2.4 Our Europe prospers and protects people and the planet
Europe has a leading role to play in global climate protection. Our hallmark is the European Green Deal. The European Green Deal was born out of the necessity to protect people and the planet. But it was also designed as an opportunity to build our future prosperity. In 2022, for instance, greenhouse gas emissions in Europe decreased by roughly 2.5%, while the economy increased by 3.5%. We have successfully reduced our emissions while growing our economy. European businesses are developing new technologies and solutions. What they need to scale up is, predictability, to plan their investments. And this is what the European Green Deal is delivering.
Four years ago, we set a long-term perspective with the climate law and the 2050 target. We shifted the climate agenda to being an economic one. This has given a clear sense of direction for investment and innovation and a clear steer for Europe to become the first climate-neutral continent by 2050. As we enter the next phase of the European Green Deal, the phase of implementation, we will keep supporting European industry throughout this transition - from the Net-Zero Industry Act to the Critical Raw Materials Act. With our Industry Strategy, we are looking at the risks to and needs of each ecosystem in this transition. The core aim will be to support every sector in building its business model for the decarbonisation of industry. Because we believe that this transition is essential for our future competitiveness in Europe. From wind to steel, from batteries to electric vehicles, our ambition is crystal clear: the future of our clean tech industry has to be made in Europe.
To achieve our ambitious goals, we must make climate policy go hand in hand with our economy and society. Because we know that, without climate protection, our economy cannot remain competitive in the long term but that, without a competitive economy, there can be no sustainable climate protection either. The Green Deal for us is not a new ideology as advocated by the Greens or the Socialists, it is the hallmark of the more prosperous, innovative, competitive and sustainable Europe that the EPP envisions.  We are clearly committed to the 55% emissions-reduction target and the goal of climate neutrality by 2050. Europe must not de-industrialise on this ambitious path but, on the contrary, must show the world that the carbon-neutral transformation can be achieved successfully through our businesses. It is important to support our companies - especially SMEs, farmers and fishers - financially in the transition and to find the best solutions for reducing global emissions. We will achieve the best solutions only if we use...

...Climate protection is a common European challenge. We want the EU to become responsible for concluding international environmental agreements for the entire EU.

Thanks DS...i should have read a little more. 
 

MR-7 » 18 Jun 2025, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:35 pm

Thanks DS...i should have read a little more.

As is typical with agenda pushers, you have to get to nearly the bottom of a long-winded ****
document to find that tiny detail. 

**** ****...
 

Skans » 18 Jun 2025, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:23 pm

I think Putin takes some lead to the head soon.  We shall see. Could be wrong? Perhaps not.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/12/politics ... membership

Hegseth speaks to NATO allies about Trump's plan for Russia and Ukraine
02:10
BrusselsCNN — US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said on Wednesday that the war between Ukraine and Russia “must end,” that Kyiv joining NATO is unrealistic and that the US will no longer prioritize European and Ukrainian security as the Trump administration shifts its attention to securing the US’ own borders and deterring war with China.In remarks before a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, Hegseth also said that European troops should be the primary force securing a post-war Ukraine—something US troops will not be involved in, he added.“The United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement,” Hegseth said. And he added that any security guarantees offered to Ukraine “must be backed by capable European and non-European troops.”//////////////////////////////////// this was before the mineral deal and totally trashed by trump.