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Look at all this winning..  Somebody won on the insider trading tariff  info and in return stock value was squandered.

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JohnnyYou » 24 Jun 2025, 5:54 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 5:54 am

Look at all this winning..  Somebody won on the insider trading tariff  info and in return stock value was squandered.

Hey, I told y'all to buy Nvdia when it was at 100. Even if you did nothing, except stayed in large/mega-cap equities, you would be fine.  Even in the Black today.  

Rule #1 of Investing - Pussies always lose
Rule #2 of Investing - Grow Alligator skin
Rule #3 of Investing - Market timers and speculators belong in Vegas Casinos and not equities markets. 
Rule #4 of Investing - There are always cheaters - they mean nothing to you, ignore them
Rule #5 of Investing - Financial Math - learn it. Love it.  Live it. But, don't blindly believe it.
Rule #6 of Investing - Know precisely what every Company you buy does and what they have in the pipeline. 
Rule #7 of Investing - Buy good companies - i.e. companies that make good investment decisions, grow revenues and consistently throw off profits. 
Rule #7 of Investing - Do not try to profit off of market-maker (f/k/a stock operator) crack-pipe hype. 
 
 

I’m in it for the long haul

BuckNaked » 24 Jun 2025, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 9:20 am

I’m in it for the long haul

I'm in it for the money.   
 

Skans » 24 Jun 2025, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 8:57 am

Hey, I told y'all to buy Nvdia when it was at 100. Even if you did nothing, except stayed in large/mega-cap equities, you would be fine.  Even in the Black today.  

Rule #1 of Investing - Pussies always lose
Rule #2 of Investing - Grow Alligator skin
Rule #3 of Investing - Market timers and speculators belong in Vegas Casinos and not equities markets. 
Rule #4 of Investing - There are always cheaters - they mean nothing to you, ignore them
Rule #5 of Investing - Financial Math - learn it. Love it.  Live it. But, don't blindly believe it.
Rule #6 of Investing - Know precisely what every Company you buy does and what they have in the pipeline. 
Rule #7 of Investing - Buy good companies - i.e. companies that make good investment decisions, grow revenues and consistently throw off profits. 
Rule #7 of Investing - Do not try to profit off of market-maker (f/k/a stock operator) crack-pipe hype.

Rule #5 of Investing - Financial Math - learn it. Love it. Live it. But, don't blindly believe it.

To what "financial math" do you refer?

Compounding?

Bond or options pricing?

Rule #6 of Investing - Know precisely what every Company you buy does and what they have in the pipeline. Rule #7 of Investing - Buy good companies - i.e. companies that make good investment decisions, grow revenues and consistently throw off profits. 

 This is Fundamental Analysis. 

To make this very brief -
You are suggesting pitting yourself against the market....these are people who do fundamental analysis, full time. 

The assumption underlying your naive conceit is that you have an "intrinsic" value that differs from the consensus and that, within your investment period, the market will come to its senses and recognize your genius.

It also ignores that price is a direct function of two variables, Earnings and the Matket Multiple. The value of nailing earnings to the penny is swamped by the effect of a change in the Multiple.

Your odds are far better if you just invest passively..

 This is a very good tutorial on investing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how- ... e-americas

I am heavily invested in AMD. Doing real well. I flipped a coin between Nvidia and AMD. AMD won. And I am happy.

Blackvegetable » 24 Jun 2025, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 10:29 am

To what "financial math" do you refer?


 

Understanding the meaning of financial ratios, charting, understanding statistical models. 

Compounding?

No.

Bond or options pricing?

That's market pricing, not math. 

 This is Fundamental Analysis. 

You think compounding and pricing is "fundamental analysis"?  

To make this very brief -
You are suggesting pitting yourself against the market...

No. I am suggesting learning the math, understanding what it means, and use the tools at your disposal to help decide whether you want to purchase shares in a company or not. 

.these are people who do fundamental analysis, full time. 

"these"? Who are people who do fundamental analysis, full time? Who are you even referring to?

The assumption underlying your naive conceit is that you have an "intrinsic" value that differs from the consensus

That's your assumption. I see you like to throw a lot of ill-defined words around like "intrinsic", "value" and "consensus", jumbling them up into a meaningless sentence. 

It also ignores that price is a direct function of two variables, Earnings and the Matket Multiple.

Idiot.  You mean like the price of Gamestop in 2021?  Or Tesla's current price?  Please tell me how either is a direct function of two variables: Earnings and (something you call) "the Market Multiple".  Even you can't be that stupid - you must just be testing me here using a term like "the Market Multiple".  

The value of nailing earnings to the penny ...

Not something I do or even try to do. I read the reports after they are released and have no independent ability to know what earnings of any given company will be to the penny.  And, if I did, that would be called insider trading. 

Your odds are far better if you just invest passively..

Dumb statement - typically used by people who do not understand the US Tax code and regs. You could be a day-trader in and out of 5 companies 3x a day and that is STILL passive investing. Active investing is when you own all or part of a business and participate in that business somehow. But, I understand what you are saying and I also understand that so-called investment "professionals" misuse these terms because their Series 7, 63 and/or 65 license doesn't teach them **** about tax accounting or GAAP. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/how- ... e-americas

Bloomberg is a good resource. I like Barron's and IBD as well. Of course, professionals have their own research sources.  Barron's will do deep dives into the companies themselves. I also like to watch podcasts about deep-dives into what companies are doing. Oh, and don't forget "Barron" is the name of Trump's son, and someday future president of the United States. 
 

Skans » 24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am

Understanding the meaning of financial ratios, charting, understanding statistical models. 

No.

That's market pricing, not math. 

You think compounding and pricing is "fundamental analysis"?  

No. I am suggesting learning the math, understanding what it means, and use the tools at your disposal to help decide whether you want to purchase shares in a company or not. 

"these"? Who are people who do fundamental analysis, full time? Who are you even referring to?

That's your assumption. I see you like to throw a lot of ill-defined words around like "intrinsic", "value" and "consensus", jumbling them up into a meaningless sentence. 

Idiot.  You mean like the price of Gamestop in 2021?  Or Tesla's current price?  Please tell me how either is a direct function of two variables: Earnings and (something you call) "the Market Multiple".  Even you can't be that stupid - you must just be testing me here using a term like "the Market Multiple".  

Not something I do or even try to do. I read the reports after they are released and have no independent ability to know what earnings of any given company will be to the penny.  And, if I did, that would be called insider trading. 

Dumb statement - typically used by people who do not understand the US Tax code and regs. You could be a day-trader in and out of 5 companies 3x a day and that is STILL passive investing. Active investing is when you own all or part of a business and participate in that business somehow. But, I understand what you are saying and I also understand that so-called investment "professionals" misuse these terms because their Series 7, 63 and/or 65 license doesn't teach them **** about tax accounting or GAAP. 

Bloomberg is a good resource. I like Barron's and IBD as well. Of course, professionals have their own research sources.  Barron's will do deep dives into the companies themselves. I also like to watch podcasts about deep-dives into what companies are doing. Oh, and don't forget "Barron" is the name of Trump's son, and someday future president of the United States.

Get an Advisor!

STAT!

Ane if all that fails, use your gut. LOL

Blackvegetable » 24 Jun 2025, 11:08 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:08 am

Get an Advisor!

STAT!

LOL - you know nothing. 
 

Skans » 24 Jun 2025, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:10 am

LOL - you know nothing.

That's JUST "Altermatives", Skans....

If advisors were so smart. They would all be rich on their own. It's easy to spend or invest other people's money. The only person you can trust, is yourself.

Skans » 24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am

Understanding the meaning of financial ratios, charting, understanding statistical models. 

No.

That's market pricing, not math. 

You think compounding and pricing is "fundamental analysis"?  

No. I am suggesting learning the math, understanding what it means, and use the tools at your disposal to help decide whether you want to purchase shares in a company or not. 

"these"? Who are people who do fundamental analysis, full time? Who are you even referring to?

That's your assumption. I see you like to throw a lot of ill-defined words around like "intrinsic", "value" and "consensus", jumbling them up into a meaningless sentence. 

Idiot.  You mean like the price of Gamestop in 2021?  Or Tesla's current price?  Please tell me how either is a direct function of two variables: Earnings and (something you call) "the Market Multiple".  Even you can't be that stupid - you must just be testing me here using a term like "the Market Multiple".

This **** is fundamental, Skans 

Why are Market Multiples Used?

Relative Valuation:
 Market multiples facilitate relative valuation, allowing investors to compare the valuation of a company against its peers or the broader market. 

 Efficiency and Speed:
 They offer a relatively quick and straightforward method for valuation, particularly compared to more complex approaches like discounted cash flow (DCF) analysis. 

 Market Sentiment:
 Market multiples can reflect market sentiment and investor expectations about a company's future performance. For example, a high P/E ratio might indicate that investors are optimistic about a company's growth prospects. 

 Identifying Undervalued or Overvalued Stocks:

By comparing a company's multiple to its historical average or to those of its peers, investors can identify potentially undervalued or overvalued stocks. 
 

PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2025, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:16 am

If advisors were so smart. They would all be rich on their own. It's easy to spend or invest other people's money. The only person you can trust, is yourself.

That's false..

There are **** advisors who suck with their own money, but most are probably brokers.

Skans not having any idea what a market multiple is a deafening klaxon.
 

Skans » 24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:05 am

Understanding the meaning of financial ratios, charting, understanding statistical models. 

No.

That's market pricing, not math. 


Bloomberg is a good resource. I like Barron's and IBD as well. Of course, professionals have their own research sources.  Barron's will do deep dives into the companies themselves. I also like to watch podcasts about deep-dives into what companies are doing. Oh, and don't forget "Barron" is the name of Trump's son, and someday future president of the United States.

 

*GHETTO BLASTER avatar *GHETTO BLASTER +5 7 minutes ago

how do you get from EPS to "intrinsic value"?


Intrinsic value is the inherent worth of an asset, typically a stock or other investment, based on its fundamental characteristics and potential future cash flows, rather than its current market price. It represents the "true" or "real" value of an asset, as opposed to its price, which can fluctuate based on market sentiment and other external factors. 


But, as someone who participates in the market, I thank you both for playing.

PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2025, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 11:16 am

If advisors were so smart. They would all be rich on their own. It's easy to spend or invest other people's money. The only person you can trust, is yourself.

Tried that a couple of decades ago, lost $50k.

Today we gladly pay our advisor $8k or so a year.
 

Fuelman » 24 Jun 2025, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 12:43 pm

Tried that a couple of decades ago, lost $50k.

Today we gladly pay our advisor $8k or so a year.

There are studies suggesting that an advisor will add about 2% - 4% per year to your returns..

Part of it explained by the fact that they only get paid on investable assets, giving them a financial incentive to convince you to hang on.

Individual investors tend to buy high and sell low.

PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2025, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 10:41 am

I am heavily invested in AMD. Doing real well. I flipped a coin between Nvidia and AMD. AMD won. And I am happy.

Archer midlands Daniel?

Diversity is the answer. I have done well with mostly real estate. But also have a few stocks, and gold and silver. I like real estate the best. The asset keeps increasing and you get monthly dividends (rent)

Blackvegetable » 24 Jun 2025, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2025, 12:59 pm

There are studies suggesting that an advisor will add about 2% - 4% per year to your returns..

Part of it explained by the fact that they only get paid on investable assets, giving them a financial incentive to convince you to hang on.

Individual investors tend to buy high and sell low.

Something you are witnessing at the moment…