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Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 1:46 pm

You are correct, as corrected.

so now you're on the drug ad human trafficking side....should I be surprised?...I'm not!

nefarious101 » 16 Jul 2025, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 1:53 pm

so now you're on the drug ad human trafficking CONSTITUTION'S side....should I be surprised?...I'm not!

You are correct, as corrected. 

If the left were in charge and using unmarked generic goons instead of sworn police officers, BEEVEE would be cheering and YOU would be whining.

You're a pair of matching morons. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 12:23 pm

Trump has been far more subdued than I would be when it comes to crashing federal agencies.

I recall your being surprised that he actually did something...  

Dept of Education went bye bye and you (and I ) were surprised.
Holy ****! Something I wanted to happen. It actually happened?
Waal, ah wuz hornswaggled...

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 1:58 pm

You are correct, as corrected. 

If the left were in charge and using unmarked generic goons instead of sworn police officers, BEEVEE would be cheering and YOU would be whining.

You're a pair of matching morons.

figure out what you stand for ad then stick to it....this one day one thing and another day something else is crazy

Good news... food stamps will only be redeemable in Nairobi Kenya

nefarious101 » 16 Jul 2025, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 4:32 pm

figure out what you stand for ad then stick to it....this one day one thing and another day something else is crazy

See, this points to your problem, not mine. 

I have principles. You have buddies. I have politics. You have ideology. 

I have a grasp of history. The concepts that inform you start at the point when you hit puberty (and haven't advanced much). 

I'm not wishy washy at all. And neither are you. I ride with my principles, and you ride with your principals. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:30 am

There is no reason ice agents should be plain clothed and wearing masks. We need our officers in uniform and identifiable. 

I want Trump to keep his promise to protect our borders and to restore illegals to their home countries, absolutely. But that NEVER implied I want masked men, not even wearing uniforms, grabbing people randomly and without warrants, and disappearing them. 

If you're gonna do a raid, do it in a uniform, with a badge. Otherwise, any reasonable person has a right to defend his life against a not police goon.

I get what you're saying but ICE AGENTS  are going after the entire Latin America MAFIA....they aren't going after US Citizens.
I feel the same about our need to have plain clothes cops infiltrating organized crime
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 4:40 pm

See, this points to your problem, not mine. 

I have principles. You have buddies. I have politics. You have ideology. 

I have a grasp of history. The concepts that inform you start at the point when you hit puberty (and haven't advanced much). 

I'm not wishy washy at all. And neither are you. I ride with my principles, and you ride with your principals.

sure Karen.....everybody know you are "always" right

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm

I get what you're saying but ICE AGENTS  are going after the entire Latin America MAFIA....they aren't going after US Citizens.
I feel the same about our need to have plain clothes cops infiltrating organized crime

That’s the thing 

how would we know that?

there is no accountability for what ICE is doing 

they are arresting people out of the fields, when they come to court, in the streets etc…

but not the people that hire them

If they are going after MS 13, have at it

when I see them going after the known gangs, like they say they want to do with the drug cartels 

I will believe it

But until them

I will wish that I had the faith in our government that you do
 

Mrkelly » 16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm

That’s the thing 

how would we know that?

there is no accountability for what ICE is doing 

they are arresting people out of the fields, when they come to court, in the streets etc…

but not the people that hire them

If they are going after MS 13, have at it

when I see them going after the known gangs, like they say they want to do with the drug cartels 

I will believe it

But until them

I will wish that I had the faith in our government that you do

Dribbles is crying for illegals again.....every illegal is a saint in his mind

his real problem is enforcing existing laws

Boo **** Hoo Dribbles...better run to daddy and complain the mean man on the internet is picking on you

Mrkelly » 16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm

That’s the thing 

how would we know that?

there is no accountability for what ICE is doing 

they are arresting people out of the fields, when they come to court, in the streets etc…

but not the people that hire them

If they are going after MS 13, have at it

when I see them going after the known gangs, like they say they want to do with the drug cartels 

I will believe it

But until them

I will wish that I had the faith in our government that you do

People who deliberately dodged due process to gain illegal entry into the USA are not owed due process to be evicted.
You either have proof that you are legit or you deserve to be deported. 
It needs to be made loud and clear to one and all that ICE has orders to shoot to kill if you resist arrest in any way.
This is how we protect the brave men who work for ICE
This is also how we discourage Illegal Aliens from thinking about coming here in the first place.
I guarantee the very first US Citizen who gets accidentally deported will derail this entire program and I seriously doubt Tom Homan would want to see ICE shut down over such an easily avoided mistake like that.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm

I get what you're saying but ICE AGENTS  are going after the entire Latin America MAFIA....they aren't going after US Citizens.
I feel the same about our need to have plain clothes cops infiltrating organized crime

They're snagging people in the streets. On what planet are we to believe that they are not going to get some citizens in that net?

And in what legal environment do citizens - or even noncitizens, if we're being men about this - not have the right to defend themselves against vigilantees? 

You wanna be a cop, wear a badge. That's what you're paid to do. I am sick to death of cowardice being used as an excuse for brutality and rights violations. 

EVERY police state has excuses. I don't want a police state with a great excuse for being a police state. I want a Constitutional Republic, FFS. 

This is an obvious case of GOVERNMENT creating the problem, and then okey-doking the public into the solution for which the **** problem was created in the first place. We are expected to applaud while a police state emerges before our eyes. "Yay," we're supposed to say, "OUR guy is fixing the problem that THEIR guy created! We win! We win a police state."

I'd rather **** lose, thank you very much. 
 

Mrkelly » 16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 6:34 pm

That’s the thing 

how would we know that?

there is no accountability for what ICE is doing 

they are arresting people out of the fields, when they come to court, in the streets etc…

but not the people that hire them

If they are going after MS 13, have at it

when I see them going after the known gangs, like they say they want to do with the drug cartels 

I will believe it

But until them

I will wish that I had the faith in our government that you do

If they don't have the balls to go after MS13 with their badges on, let's hire men instead of ***. 

But yes, you are absolutely right. They are doing raids of businesses - not drug houses. 

This is classic Hegelian Dialectics in action. Government created the problem, and then government offers the solution. It's not TRUMP'S fault a police state is the solution. That's BIDEN'S fault.

So we are winning, you see. We are showing that son of a bitch Biden. We're cheering for a police state. Yay police state - yay!
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm

People who deliberately dodged due process to gain illegal entry into the USA are not owed due process to be evicted.
You either have proof that you are legit or you deserve to be deported. 
It needs to be made loud and clear to one and all that ICE has orders to shoot to kill if you resist arrest in any way.

Who said anything about ICE? These people are not flying their colors - who is toknow they are ice?

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm

This is how we protect the brave men who work for ICE

Who said anything asbout brave? One post ago, you were pleading for their right to be afraid to wear their badges and uniforms.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm

This is also how we discourage Illegal Aliens from thinking about coming here in the first place.
I guarantee the very first US Citizen who gets accidentally deported will derail this entire program and I seriously doubt Tom Homan would want to see ICE shut down over such an easily avoided mistake like that.

Yourguarantee rings very hollow. On what do you base it? How long would this derailment take? What if that deported American citizen is deported to Guantanamo, because he stole the wrong guy's girlinhigh school?

You give out way to much power to way too untrustworthy people.

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 8:16 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 8:16 pm

Who said anything about ICE? These people are not flying their colors - who is toknow they are ice?

Who said anything asbout brave? One post ago, you were pleading for their right to be afraid to wear their badges and uniforms.

Yourguarantee rings very hollow. On what do you base it? How long would this derailment take? What if that deported American citizen is deported to Guantanamo, because he stole the wrong guy's girlinhigh school?

You give out way to much power to way too untrustworthy people.

Who else but ICE would spend their days raiding businesses that hire Illegal aliens...? 
Or nabbing Illegal Aliens any place else...?
Batman and Robin...or the Oath Keepers..or KKK...?    
What makes a plain clothes ICE agent any less trustworthy to you than FBI, CIA  or SS...?
Have you heard many stories about how those secret police agencies abduct innocent people who stole their HS girl friends...?
It's not just the IIlegal Aliens who want to see the ICE agents and their families dead....it's also people in high places in our society as well as about half of the [[[JWO]]] brainwashed SJWs. 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm

Who else but ICE would spend their days raiding businesses that hire Illegal aliens...?

You tell me. When police wear plain clothes and no badges, who is toknow if they are police?

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm

Or nabbing Illegal Aliens any place else...?

Just a post ago, you had them heroically fighting MS13. Now you are admitting that they are going after dishwashers and cabbage pickers - and STILL afraid to wear their badges.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm

Batman and Robin...or the Oath Keepers..or KKK...?  

Again, you tell me. Police officers wear badges and identifying uniforms - they fly their colors.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm

What makes a plain clothes ICE agent any less trustworthy to you than FBI, CIA  or SS...?

Oh, I don't trust cops in uniform, either. But I respect their authority. If it's just a gang, then not so much.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:23 pm

Have you heard many stories about how those secret police agencies abduct innocent people who stole their HS girl friends...?

I do not need one single story about abuse of power to know that it happens, and that our Constitution, which I am defending and you are opposing, was created to thwart such things. But yes, I am aware of many stories of abuses of power.
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 9:29 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 9:29 pm

You tell me. When police wear plain clothes and no badges, who is toknow if they are police?

Just a post ago, you had them heroically fighting MS13. Now you are admitting that they are going after dishwashers and cabbage pickers - and STILL afraid to wear their badges.

Again, you tell me. Police officers wear badges and identifying uniforms - they fly their colors.

Oh, I don't trust cops in uniform, either. But I respect their authority. If it's just a gang, then not so much.

I do not need one single story about abuse of power to know that it happens, and that our Constitution, which I am defending and you are opposing, was created to thwart such things. But yes, I am aware of many stories of abuses of power.

There are millions of people in our society who want to see the ICE agents and their families dead
Same goes for undercover cops.
Does law enforcement need special permission to field undercover cops...? I don't know.
The Constitution  doesn't have  any language that says anything about all police being required to be easily identifiable as cops at all times.
I won't take that crazy ladies word about ICE Agents unable to show ID upon request.
I'll let you be the one who takes her word for that.
Everything I saw on those 2 videos looked good to me.
This is a war that is being fought against the [[[JWO]]] and the prime reason why so much energy has been devoted to keeping Trump out of office. 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm

There are millions of people in our society who want to see the ICE agents and their families dead
Same goes for undercover cops.

FFS, PLEASE stop including undercovers as if the existence of undercover detectives justifies gangs of roving police who are NOT investigating a **** thing and are NOT under cover. They're MAKING ARRESTS. Undercovers are gathering evidence. Secretly. Wearing a uniform would be pretty stupid. It might even blow their cover.

And then, please stop pretending leftist crybabies are a danger, or that dishwashers and cabbage pickers are a danger. And stop pretending that wearing their uniform isn't a police officer's responsibility. Based on what you are saying, they should be able to give secret testimony in court, as well. And they shouldn't have to answer any questions from the defendant's lawyer - they might give away their identity. Officer safety is the MOST importsant thing! And officer safety tramples your rights.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm

Does law enforcement need special permission to field undercover cops...? I don't know.

Is that a squirrel? I do know.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm

The Constitution  doesn't have  any language that says anything about all police being required to be easily identifiable as cops at all times.

No, but it DOES give people a right to shoot anyone who tries to kidnap them. That's why cops wear **** uniforms and badges. No one has to respect the arrest powers of a person they do not know to be a cop.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm

I won't take that crazy ladies word about ICE Agents unable to show ID upon request.
I'll let you be the one who takes her word for that.

You've been defending her position all along. You still are. You're saying if the "crazy lady" is right, all is well. And now you're trying to marry me to crazy, in a last ditch effort to defend what you will one day very much regret having defended.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:31 pm

Everything I saw on those 2 videos looked good to me.
This is a war that is being fought against the [[[JWO]]] and the prime reason why so much energy has been devoted to keeping Trump out of office.

This is you being played out of pocket by the JWO. Any time you abandon principle to gain advantage, you lose advantage.

Cannonpointer » 16 Jul 2025, 11:43 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:43 pm

FFS, PLEASE stop including undercovers as if the existence of undercover detectives justifies gangs of roving police who are NOT investigating a **** thing and are NOT under cover. They're MAKING ARRESTS. Undercovers are gathering evidence. Secretly. Wearing a uniform would be pretty stupid. It might even blow their cover.

And then, please stop pretending leftist crybabies are a danger, or that dishwashers and cabbage pickers are a danger. And stop pretending that wearing their uniform isn't a police officer's responsibility. Based on what you are saying, they should be able to give secret testimony in court, as well. And they shouldn't have to answer any questions from the defendant's lawyer - they might give away their identity. Officer safety is the MOST importsant thing! And officer safety tramples your rights.

Is that a squirrel? I do know.

No, but it DOES give people a right to shoot anyone who tries to kidnap them. That's why cops wear **** uniforms and badges. No one has to respect the arrest powers of a person they do not know to be a cop.

You've been defending her position all along. You still are. You're saying if the "crazy lady" is right, all is well. And now you're trying to marry me to crazy, in a last ditch effort to defend what you will one day very much regret having defended.

This is you being played out of pocket by the JWO. Any time you abandon principle to gain advantage, you lose advantage.

I had no idea that undercover cops are not allowed to make arrests.
I learn something new every day.
The guy who wrote this article disagrees with you,,,but what does he know....?   https://xpertslegal.com/blog/understand ... lications/

If I am Tom Homan and I hear that my agents are being doxxed and getting death threats then I am going to do what it takes to protect my agents.
As long as  plain clothes agents abide with the procedural rules outlined in the article I posted, they can make arrests.
 You and that crazy, bug eyed  lady will need to get a law passed that makes it unconditionally illegal for plain clothes agents to make arrests under any conditions.
 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 7:33 pm

People who deliberately dodged due process to gain illegal entry into the USA are not owed due process to be evicted.
You either have proof that you are legit or you deserve to be deported. 
It needs to be made loud and clear to one and all that ICE has orders to shoot to kill if you resist arrest in any way.
This is how we protect the brave men who work for ICE
This is also how we discourage Illegal Aliens from thinking about coming here in the first place.
I guarantee the very first US Citizen who gets accidentally deported will derail this entire program and I seriously doubt Tom Homan would want to see ICE shut down over such an easily avoided mistake like that.

Wow