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*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 4:53 pm

I get what you're saying but ICE AGENTS  are going after the entire Latin America MAFIA....they aren't going after US Citizens.
I feel the same about our need to have plain clothes cops infiltrating organized crime

careful....Karen freaks when the narrative is challenged

nefarious101 » 17 Jul 2025, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 6:55 am

careful....Karen freaks when the narrative is challenged

 ICE Agents  have way more mortal enemies than the local police that CP tries to compare them to.
No Agent should be expected to serve the law abiding public under the constant threat of getting doxxed and  getting death threats at home.


 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 7:13 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 7:13 am

 ICE Agents  have way more mortal enemies than the local police that CP tries to compare them to.
No Agent should be expected to serve the law abiding public under the constant threat of getting doxxed and  getting death threats at home.

Hard to understand the minds of radicals....

ICE agents are charged with cleaning up a mess created by criminally incompetent governance.

That same criminally incompetent governance is fueling the sedition and insurrection we are seeing daily...as are the radicals regardless of what side they are on

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm

I had no idea that undercover cops are not allowed to make arrests.
I learn something new every day.
The guy who wrote this article disagrees with you,,,but what does he know....?   https://xpertslegal.com/blog/understand ... lications/

This is getting pretty sleazy.

Please point to the part of mny post where I said undercovers are prohibited from making arrests.

If you cannot, please mop the desperation-born flop sweat from your brow.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm

If I am Tom Homan and I hear that my agents are being doxxed and getting death threats

When did you hear thaT, not Tom Homan? Who told you that, not Tom Homan?

Was it the JWO, not Tom Homan? Who was it?

Just stop with the hysterics and identify the source you trust enough to yap for a police state.

*GHETTOBLASTER » 16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jul 2025, 11:50 pm

then I am going to do what it takes to protect my agents.
As long as  plain clothes agents abide with the procedural rules outlined in the article I posted, they can make arrests.
 You and that crazy, bug eyed  lady will need to get a law passed that makes it unconditionally illegal for plain clothes agents to make arrests under any conditions.

It is already illegal for goon squads to abduct random people without warrants. They can get shot - and the guy who shoots them is acting in obvious self-defense.

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 11:31 am

This is getting pretty sleazy.

Please point to the part of mny post where I said undercovers are prohibited from making arrests.

OK, here you go....

FFS, PLEASE stop including undercovers as if the existence of undercover detectives justifies gangs of roving police who are NOT investigating a **** thing and are NOT under cover. They're MAKING ARRESTS. Undercovers are gathering evidence. Secretly. Wearing a uniform would be pretty stupid. It might even blow their cover. 

Please stop pretending that you know to what extent the dangers of being an ICE Agent are...or what it's like to live your life 24/7 once you and your family have been doxxed......that's a form of stolen valor.

https://flvoicenews.com/florida-launche ... d-ag-says/
 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 12:16 pm

OK, here you go....

Please stop pretending that you know to what extent the dangers of being an ICE Agent are...or what it's like to live your life 24/7 once you and your family have been doxxed......that's a form of stolen valor.

https://flvoicenews.com/florida-launche ... d-ag-says/

Hey, officer safety means a **** of a lot more than my rights - I just forgot. 

As long as the government has a "good excuse," they can play you right out of pocket.

AGAIN, the 3 part game went like this:

1. BIDEN ushers in millions of illegals;
2. Trump ushers in a police state;
3. Their easily conned victims applaud. 

Let's have a militarized police state - THAT'LL teach Biden!
 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 5:29 pm

Hey, officer safety means a **** of a lot more than my rights - I just forgot. 

As long as the government has a "good excuse," they can play you right out of pocket.

AGAIN, the 3 part game went like this:

1. BIDEN ushers in millions of illegals;
2. Trump ushers in a police state;
3. Their easily conned victims applaud. 

Let's have a militarized police state - THAT'LL teach Biden!

Like I originally said...I understand your concerns about  our government "manufacturing" a crisis in order to justify expanding it's  "Police State" powers.
You seem totally convinced that the bug eyed lady is telling the truth about masked agents who don't identify themselves as required by law.... "disappearing" the poor immigrants for no just cause.
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 6:13 pm

Like I originally said...I understand your concerns about  our government "manufacturing" a crisis in order to justify expanding it's  "Police State" powers.
You seem totally convinced that the bug eyed lady is telling the truth about masked agents who don't identify themselves as required by law.... "disappearing" the poor immigrants for no just cause.

You keep making appeals to some lady. I keep talking about the danger of citizens watching mass arrests by masked men who may or may not be police officers, taking people who may or may not be illegal aliens to a place where they may or may not be tortured, enslaved, killed - what have you. How do we know they are not targeting cartel enemies, given that every drug cartel isin fact run by cia and dea?

Getting accustomed to mass arrests is a bad **** idea. We were TOLD he was going against criminals. Just tell me this: have you at all been curious why the promise they would send government agents against MS13 turned into unidentified mercs raiding burger joints? 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 9:03 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 9:03 pm

You keep making appeals to some lady. I keep talking about the danger of citizens watching mass arrests by masked men who may or may not be police officers, taking people who may or may not be illegal aliens to a place where they may or may not be tortured, enslaved, killed - what have you. How do we know they are not targeting cartel enemies, given that every drug cartel isin fact run by cia and dea?

Getting accustomed to mass arrests is a bad **** idea. We were TOLD he was going against criminals. Just tell me this: have you at all been curious why the promise they would send government agents against MS13 turned into unidentified mercs raiding burger joints?

I posted earlier what the legal requirements are for how plain clothes police have to identify themselves while making an arrest.
Either you have proof that they are breaking the rules or you don't.
If you do have proof then I am on your side
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 9:10 pm

I posted earlier what the legal requirements are for how plain clothes police have to identify themselves while making an arrest.
 

Which post?

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 9:17 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 9:17 pm

Which post?

https://xpertslegal.com/blog/understand ... lications/

• Revealing Identity: A plainclothes officer must disclose their identity as a police officer before making an arrest. This is a critical safeguard against impersonation and abuse of power. The individual being arrested has the right to know that the person detaining them is an authorized officer of the law.
• Presentation of Authorization: In addition to revealing their identity, the officer must provide valid documentation, such as a warrant or an official badge, demonstrating their authority to arrest. In cases of warrantless arrests—such as those involving ongoing criminal activities or immediate threats to public safety—the officer’s disclosure of their status and lawful basis for the arrest becomes even more crucial.
• Adherence to Procedural Safeguards: Plainclothes arrests must comply with the broader legal principles governing all arrests, including informing the arrestee of the charges, ensuring their rights (e.g., the right to legal counsel), and avoiding unnecessary force.

 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 10:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 10:44 pm

https://xpertslegal.com/blog/understand ... lications/

• Revealing Identity: A plainclothes officer must disclose their identity as a police officer before making an arrest. This is a critical safeguard against impersonation and abuse of power. The individual being arrested has the right to know that the person detaining them is an authorized officer of the law.
• Presentation of Authorization: In addition to revealing their identity, the officer must provide valid documentation, such as a warrant or an official badge, demonstrating their authority to arrest. In cases of warrantless arrests—such as those involving ongoing criminal activities or immediate threats to public safety—the officer’s disclosure of their status and lawful basis for the arrest becomes even more crucial.
• Adherence to Procedural Safeguards: Plainclothes arrests must comply with the broader legal principles governing all arrests, including informing the arrestee of the charges, ensuring their rights (e.g., the right to legal counsel), and avoiding unnecessary force.

FFS, are you really going to argue that masked goons are complying with all of that - immediately AFTER arguing that billions - perhaps trillions - of Americans are conspiring to murder them and their families - right down to their in-laws and house pets? And then if I don't pretend that is a likely story - if I rightly scoff at the very pretense of this being likely, - I have to defend some crazy lady that you keep throwing at me?

We've been played, bro. One guy **** on us by opening our borders, and the next guy "saves" us by imposing a police state and duping us into cheering for it. 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 11:24 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 11:24 pm

FFS, are you really going to argue that masked goons are complying with all of that - immediately AFTER arguing that billions - perhaps trillions - of Americans are conspiring to murder them and their families - right down to their in-laws and house pets? And then if I don't pretend that is a likely story - if I rightly scoff at the very pretense of this being likely, - I have to defend some crazy lady that you keep throwing at me?

We've been played, bro. One guy **** on us by opening our borders, and the next guy "saves" us by imposing a police state and duping us into cheering for it.

Well you really outdid yourself......  
You need some sense of scale. 
There are 1000s of ICE Agents....fact
There have been 100s of 1000s of arrests.....fact
According to you [and the lady with the Barney Google eyes] there have been who knows how many illegal arrests and people "disappeared" who  never should have been arrested....fact
With this massive body of work that ICE has accomplished...surely both you and this lady can produce some solid evidence that your claims are true ? 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jul 2025, 11:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 11:46 pm

Well you really outdid yourself......  
You need some sense of scale. 
There are 1000s of ICE Agents....fact
There have been 100s of 1000s of arrests.....fact
According to you [and the lady with the Barney Google eyes] there have been who knows how many illegal arrests and people "disappeared" who  never should have been arrested....fact
With this massive body of work that ICE has accomplished...surely both you and this lady can produce some solid evidence that your claims are true ?

I have made no such claim. I have raised the prospect, and I either HAVE said or will NOW say that if we allow anonymous goons to seize random people without warrants, it is well above a 100% probability that such **** will happen. If you have access to a derp chart, consult it - and you will see that it is solidly in derp territory. If you know any 10 year old girls, ask them. Many nine year old girls might be easily misled, but by age ten, there are no girls who cannot sort out the obvious. 
 
 

ICE is a test model 

they are manufacturing consent for a police state

once a majority of Americans are OK with unidentified, masked goons rounding people up in secrecy 

It will be “mission accomplished”

then what?

https://youtube.com/shorts/XHkscTu1lE4? ... mq_y5Gr8mq