Why the Epstein case looms large in MAGA world

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Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2025, 12:50 am » wrote: Let's pretend they're not too stupid to obscure faces in 2025 - just for argument's sake. I'm not insisting they aren't stupid. Just floating it as a thought experiment. If they WEREN'T completely stupid, wouldn't that obviate the problem and negate your question?

Let me understand this.

Ya say there are tapes of people **** kids, but there's no proof. Or not enough proof. That's sounds kind of retarded.

But let's roll with it.

What say the ones without "enough proof," we publish the tapes, but since there's "not enough proof," we don't say their names. Like, Prince Andrew's tape would just say, "Some British guy **** a child," and we could ax the public to help identify the guy **** the goddamned child. How about that?

I can't honestly believe you asked them. I am dumber for having pondered them.Image
And Bonegoner was his name oh.. Poor Dan....He can't be happy in the number two slot in the FBI taking it up the poopy chute.

Democrats write the Epstein Saga to take down Trump and never use it.  Trump is afraid to release it and expose the Democrat's lies?


Better yet, let's just make it disappear like a  gang violent tomato picker.
 
 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2025, 12:45 am » wrote: He stuffed you, lady.

You accused him in general and he skewered you in particular. 

Your obsession with that self-debunking photo is the stuff of padded rooms with locked doors, fruitcake.
Dial it back, Child.
 
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Vegas » 19 Jul 2025, 11:24 am » wrote: MAGA gives a ****. And they should. Everybody should give a ****.

No, the LEFTSTREAM media "gives a ****" as this is all they have left to attack anyone on the right with!! This entire "MAGA cares" **** is invented BY THEM to keep YOU enraged and regurgitating crap like this.

I know of NO ONE that actually gives a crap about Epstein, believes he is part of any "deep state" garbage, and understands that HE IS DEAD and nothing is going to resurrect him so there can be any "justice" in any manner. It's a "news" STORY that the left is trying as hard as they can to keep alive since Trump is kicking their asses in every area and there is no "counter" to that reality.

Get it through that thick skull of yours that there is NO THERE HERE!! PERIOD!!
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*Beekeeper » 20 Jul 2025, 5:38 am » wrote: No, the LEFTSTREAM media "gives a ****" as this is all they have left to attack anyone on the right with!! This entire "MAGA cares" **** is invented BY THEM to keep YOU enraged and regurgitating crap like this.

I know of NO ONE that actually gives a crap about Epstein, believes he is part of any "deep state" garbage, and understands that HE IS DEAD and nothing is going to resurrect him so there can be any "justice" in any manner. It's a "news" STORY that the left is trying as hard as they can to keep alive since Trump is kicking their asses in every area and there is no "counter" to that reality.

Get it through that thick skull of yours that there is NO THERE HERE!! PERIOD!!
Sexual Exploitation is not a good thing Buzzkill.  I guess you don't just phooking care because of your evangelical brainwwashing..

Sexual Exploitation is a crime yet it is bipartisan.

Take the red hat off and get woke doom azz...
 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2025, 12:50 am » wrote:
Ya say there are tapes of people **** kids, but there's no proof. Or not enough proof. That's sounds kind of retarded.

I can't honestly believe you asked them. I am dumber for having pondered them.Image
Ghettoblaster wrote.....
Are there also photos and videos that show the names on that list having sex with boys and girls who obviously look like young children...?
Are those young children  ready to be identified, age verified and shown having sex...?
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Can you  answer either question...?
Should you reveal the names on the alleged predator list before you can round up their victims and be ready to prove what appears to be illegal sex is in fact illegal sex...? 
 
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Blackvegetable » 19 Jul 2025, 4:21 pm » wrote: Don't run like the squealing MAGAt ****** you are.
brown, you sure are one delusional ****...
 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2025, 12:47 am » wrote: To the my mother drunk or sober magat darkside it is. 

To people with principles, it's as bad as if Biden had hidden the evidence after promising to release it.

You know anybody with principles?  That's the real question
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ha ha ha ha the elephant in the topic of this thread, 8.2 billion humans occupying time daily here in this atmosphere and only around 80 million supporting Trump's ideology.

8.12 billion want him removed from office. In an intellectually created New World Order by one rule of law genetics naturally leaving ancestors eternally separated by hearts beating daily here doesn't matter created a democracy of lifetimes ignoring why each exists in plain sight dictate how each great great grandchild will evolve cradle to grave by context over content possibilities daily here with existing chain of commands exempt from laws the governed must sacrificing their biological time to save the social consensuses working forward punishing any ancestor any generation gap not complying to local traditional values 24/7.
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*Beekeeper » 20 Jul 2025, 5:38 am » wrote: No, the LEFTSTREAM media "gives a ****" as this is all they have left to attack anyone on the right with!! This entire "MAGA cares" **** is invented BY THEM to keep YOU enraged and regurgitating crap like this.

I know of NO ONE that actually gives a crap about Epstein, believes he is part of any "deep state" garbage, and understands that HE IS DEAD and nothing is going to resurrect him so there can be any "justice" in any manner. It's a "news" STORY that the left is trying as hard as they can to keep alive since Trump is kicking their asses in every area and there is no "counter" to that reality.

Get it through that thick skull of yours that there is NO THERE HERE!! PERIOD!!
This is what happens when you pick and choose what you want to read and hear ^^^ 

Hey moron, simply because Trump said that Epstein is a hoax doesn't mean that Epstein is a hoax. 
 
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...

From which you are running...



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*GHETTOBLASTER » 19 Jul 2025, 6:32 pm » wrote: Good evening Vegas.
Let's say Trump publishes the list..
Are there also photos and videos that show the names on that list having sex with boys and girls who obviously look like young children...?
Are those young children  ready to be identified, age verified and shown having sex...?
If there ends up being a trillion dollars worth of defamation awards handed out to those who can't be proven guilty [but are guilty] or else aren't guilty at all...we have to be able to say it was all worth it in order to show all "would be pedophiles" that we are willing to go to any lengths needed to put an end to this.
I can't honestly answer any of the questions I just asked here that I think need to be considered.

Another parallel is illegal drug use.

Some say going after the user solves very little.
Other claims are that the dealer is the real problem. Ratchet up the efforts...
Still others will claim we have to get the "big guys" like CIA, foreign governments, etc.

Where is the solution in the end?

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In a similar vein, is jailing the "user" solving the problem?
Intermediary?
Get the "big guys"... Who is that?

Where is the solution? Is mere revenge enough?
Please seat yourself.

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DeezerShoove » 20 Jul 2025, 9:27 am » wrote: Another parallel is illegal drug use.

Some say going after the user solves very little.
Other claims are that the dealer is the real problem. Ratchet up the efforts...
Still others will claim we have to get the "big guys" like CIA, foreign governments, etc.

Where is the solution in the end?

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Pedo Island
In a similar vein, is jailing the "user" solving the problem?
Intermediary?
Get the "big guys"... Who is that?

Where is the solution? Is mere revenge enough?
Great perspective. I don't know if this applies here though. We are talking about powerful people, that are part of the deep state, who have major influence over the global economy, policies, laws, and elections. These aren't just street pervs looking for a good time.  
 
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...

From which you are running...



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Vegas » 20 Jul 2025, 9:42 am » wrote: Great perspective. I don't know if this applies here though. We are talking about powerful people, that are part of the deep state, who have major influence over the global economy, policies, laws, and elections. These aren't just street pervs looking for a good time.
There those of us that believe that the deep state cia etc do have  have major influence over the global economy, policies, laws, and elections

using drugs and drug money
 
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Mrkelly » 20 Jul 2025, 9:48 am » wrote: There those of us that believe that the deep state cia etc do have  have major influence over the global economy, policies, laws, and elections

using drugs and drug money

Absolutely. That's why I have said that Epstein isn't just about pedophilia. It's about leverage and power. It's about keeping these high powerful men in line. They need to do what they are told or else...
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Blackvegetable » 7 minutes ago » wrote: ↑7 minutes ago
Very simple questions...

From which you are running...



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Vegas » 19 Jul 2025, 11:15 am » wrote: First, let me start off by saying good for the MAGA base. They get called a cult, but cult members will blindly follow their leaders no matter what the leaders do or say. MAGA is calling out their leader and even jumping ship. That is not the behavior of a cult. 

So why the big deal about Trump covering up the Epstein files? Because Epstein was connected to the deep state. Trump stood on the platform of uncovering corruption, draining the swamp, and tearing down the deep state that has wrecked havoc on not just America, but on the world. 

Unfortunately, Trump became part of the corruption by covering it up instead. So yes, MAGA is 100% correct in being pissed off at Trump. Epstein wasn't just about sex trafficking. He was a central figure in the whole deep state corruption. 

https://news.yahoo.com/why-epstein-case ... 32607.html
There are a 1000 reasons why the the Trump may have decided to NOT disclose the Epstein "lists", and NONE of them are necessarily hypocritical NOR a "Cover up"... lets just WAIT and see what happens.. BECAUSE, IGNORANT CORRUPT and BIASED Liberal Democrats (like you) are currently LOOKING for ANY STRAW in the pile of hey (called the Epstein fiasco), and calling it a needle...

TRUMP has already shown himself to be INFINITELY more Believable, Honest , and Trustworthy than ANY Democrat... and I WILL give him the benefit of the doubt !
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
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DeezerShoove » 20 Jul 2025, 9:27 am » wrote: Another parallel is illegal drug use.

Some say going after the user solves very little.
Other claims are that the dealer is the real problem. Ratchet up the efforts...
Still others will claim we have to get the "big guys" like CIA, foreign governments, etc.

Where is the solution in the end?

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Pedo Island
In a similar vein, is jailing the "user" solving the problem?
Intermediary?
Get the "big guys"... Who is that?

Where is the solution? Is mere revenge enough?
We absolutely have to punish all child sex predators  we can.
Not to solve that problem but to act as a deterrent. 
What I question is publishing a list of visitors to the island if you cant prove beforehand that the names you release to the public are guilty.

 
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Vegas » 20 Jul 2025, 8:59 am » wrote: This is what happens when you pick and choose what you want to read and hear ^^^ 

Hey moron, simply because Trump said that Epstein is a hoax doesn't mean that Epstein is a hoax.

Did that insult make you feel better about yourself?? The insults must be your way of coping with the reality that I see things totally different. 

As with all narcissists, you melt down when someone disagrees. I don't have to play along.
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Blackvegetable » 20 Jul 2025, 4:49 am » wrote:
Cannonpointer » 20 Jul 2025, 12:45 am » wrote: He stuffed you, lady.

You accused him in general and he skewered you in particular. 

Your obsession with that self-debunking photo is the stuff of padded rooms with locked doors, fruitcake.
Dial it back, Child.
He stuffed you, lady.

You accused him in general and he skewered you in particular. 

Your obsession with that self-debunking photo is the stuff of padded rooms with locked doors, fruitcake.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

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If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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*GHETTOBLASTER » 20 Jul 2025, 5:54 am » wrote: Ghettoblaster wrote.....
Are there also photos and videos that show the names on that list having sex with boys and girls who obviously look like young children...?
Are those young children  ready to be identified, age verified and shown having sex...?
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I am disappointed that  you need to lie about what I said in order to make your case about me being  stupid.   Image  
Can you  answer either question...?
Should you reveal the names on the alleged predator list before you can round up their victims and be ready to prove what appears to be illegal sex is in fact illegal sex...?
If I misread your questions, I apologise. Let's start fresh:

Dammit, Jim, I am a voter - not a policeman.

I voted for a fellow who promised to out the sex pests whoring our sons and daughters to the elite perverts that run the West.

You seem now to be suggesting that it cannot be done - too involved. Just let the matter go. You appear to be insisting that in order to express disappointment and disagreement with being lied to by the liar in chief, I have to put on my prosecutor hat, my investigator hat, and my tort litigator hat, and then answer a barrage of questions designed to justify letting elite perverts off the hook.

I suppose one rhetorical question deserves another, so here goes: Are you suggesting that Trump's DOJ is led by an incompetent trollop who was hired for her tits? That she is not up to the task of investigating a case where she has ACTUAL VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THE CRIMINALS COMMITTING THE CRIME?

Followup question - are you planning to start a drive to recall Pam Bondi and put a **** man in there?
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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nefarious101 » 20 Jul 2025, 7:31 am » wrote: You know anybody with principles?  That's the real question
A couple on this board.

You're not one of them.
 
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice

"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not a friend

An opinion you won't defend is not your own

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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*GHETTOBLASTER » 20 Jul 2025, 10:49 am » wrote: We absolutely have to punish all child sex predators  we can.
Not to solve that problem but to act as a deterrent. 
What I question is publishing a list of visitors to the island if you cant prove beforehand that the names you release to the public are guilty.
I have said similar type stuff as well.
BlaVe proves this for me by stalking me back to April . . .  in the Agent Orange thread.

The "list" ain't the money shot. It's just an embarrassing place to have your name pop up.
Proof of something terrible is a deeper dive.
 
Please seat yourself.

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