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*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

I hate that for him. Seems that these DHIMOCRAPS have set the tone and written the playbook for PROSECUTING former Presidents!!

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... rcna220730
 

Gabbard insisted the Russian goal in 2016 was to sow distrust in American democracy — not to help Trump, a key judgment of the 2017 assessment that Republicans have long challenged.But her claims that the Obama administration “manufactured” the assessment are not supported by the newly redacted House report — or CIA Director John Ratcliffe’s own review of the intelligence assessment, which he released earlier this month.Ratcliffe’s review argued the assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin “aspired” to help Trump win the 2016 election should not have been a so-called high confidence judgment, which indicates the intelligence community’s level of certainty, and it took issue with some of the analytic procedures underpinning the assessment. But Ratcliffe’s review found that “the overall assessment was deemed defensible.”The House report — which involved intelligence so sensitive it was kept in a so-called “turducken,” or a safe within a safe, at CIA headquarters — took a similar stance on the key judgment that Russia sought to help Trump, arguing that the assessment made analytical leaps based on relatively thin sourcing and failed to weigh contradictory intelligence highly enough, but neither argued that it was “manufactured.”Still, the release of the House Intelligence Committee review, led by former Rep. Devin Nunes when now-FBI Director Kash Patel was a top aide, was a long-sought victory for Trump — in large part because it pushes back against a similar review conducted by the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee in 2020, which found the intelligence supported the conclusions that Putin interfered to help Trump and there were no “significant tradecraft issues” in the preparation of the assessment.Gabbard’s decision to publicize the report when multiple predecessors had declined to do so, including Ratcliffe during Trump’s first term, comes at a moment when her standing within the Trump administration had been in question. In June, Trump publicly undermined Gabbard’s assessment on Iran’s nuclear capabilities and she was absent from at least one major national security meeting to discuss Israel and Iran. CNN reported at the time that the president viewed her as “off-message.”Former Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper dismissed Gabbard’s allegations on Wednesday, calling them “patently false and unfounded” on CNN’s ‘The Source.’Referring to the House Republican report, he said, “I can attest to the inaccuracies in that report on things they said about me, which were wrong or false.”
 

Blackvegetable » 25 Jul 2025, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 1:03 pm

*Huey » 25 Jul 2025, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 10:38 am

I just want to be very clear for the record.  Not once did I say the information released by Tulsi is genuine.  My position is, as stated earlier, it warrants investigation.

What justifies an investigation?

The heat from epstein?

 

Soory, Askholio, I said I was done with this thread.  Questions from you will not be tolerated,Lil BItch.  Don't spam my notifications with your whiny crap, Bitch

MR-7 » 25 Jul 2025, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 1:01 pm

Like I said.....

@murdock  I have finally come up with a "commercial" idea about your avatar. Would you like to read it?   
 
 

*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

 

//////   For example, Gabbard cited:

• An Aug. 31, 2016, email from a Department of Homeland Security official to then DNI James Clapper about an analysis of local voting infrastructure that found “there is no indication of a Russian threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means.”

• A Sept. 9, 2016, memo from an official in Clapper’s office arguing that a presidential briefing should note that Russia “probably is not trying … to influence the election by using cyber means” to “manipulate … election infrastructure.”

• A Sept. 12, 2016, Intelligence Community assessment on cyberthreats to the election that concluded, “We judge that foreign adversaries do not have and will probably not obtain the capabilities to successfully execute widespread and undetected cyber attacks on the diverse set of information technologies and infrastructures used to support the November 2016 US presidential election.”

• A post-election series of talking points prepared for Clapper to deliver in a Dec. 7 presidential briefing report, including that “[f]oreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome” and that “[w]e have no evidence of cyber manipulation of election infrastructure intended to alter results.”

Gabbard claimed the assessment changed after a Dec. 9, 2016, meeting of National Security Council principals, including Clapper, John Brennan, and Susan Rice, the then CIA director, and national security adviser, respectively.The Gabbard memo accompanying her press release cited a subsequent email from Clapper’s assistant to his top aides directing them to “produce an assessment per the President’s request, that pulls together the information we have on the tools Moscow used and the actions it took to influence the 2016 election, an explanation of why Moscow directed these activities.” (The unclassified version is what was released on Jan. 6, 2017.) That Obama had ordered an investigation and assessment into a wider scope of malicious cyberactivity was widely reported in the press at the time.The evening of that NSC meeting, the Gabbard memo alleged, someone leaked the following story to the Washington Post, which Gabbard deems false.

Washington Post, Dec. 9, 2016: The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/07/gabba ... oup-claim/

jerrab » 25 Jul 2025, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 3:08 pm

//////   For example, Gabbard cited:

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The article made no mention of attempts to interfere with voting equipment. Rather, it cited the hacking and release of the DNC emails, which was described as “part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.”In an interview on Fox News on July 20, Gabbard called for prosecution of Obama administration officials responsible for “treasonous conspiracy” and a “yearslong coup” against Trump. She said they did so by “creating this piece of manufactured intelligence that claims that Russia had helped Donald Trump get elected” and relying on an intelligence assessment that “contradicted every other assessment that had been made previously in the months leading up to the election that said exactly the opposite, that Russia neither had neither the intent nor the capability to try to — quote unquote — ‘hack’ the United States’ election for the presidency of the United States.”“There was a shift, a 180-degree shift, from the intelligence community’s assessment leading up to the election to the one that President Obama directed be produced after Donald Trump won the election that completely contradicted those assessments that had come previously,” Gabbard said in an interview on Fox News on July 22.But again, Gabbard is conflating statements about Russian attempts or success in altering voting infrastructure with assessments about Russian attempts to influence the election outcome via a sophisticated social media campaign and by releasing hacked DNC emails. Several subsequent and exhaustive reports supported the findings about a Russian influence campaign contained in the IC’s Jan. 6, 2017, assessment.Reports Support IC AssessmentAccording to the 2019 report released by special counsel Mueller, “[T]he Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents.”Regarding Mueller’s inquiry into potential coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians, the report said that “the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away.”It continued: “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.”But that does not mean that the Russians did not attempt to influence the election —
 

they did, the Mueller investigation concluded.The special counsel’s office in February 2018 secured an indictment against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for their role in that interference. In July of that year, 12 Russian military officers were also indicted.Similarly, in April 2020, a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee released its report examining the Intelligence Community’s assessment of Russian election interference, concluding “the ICA presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”The Intelligence Community Assessment “reflects strong tradecraft” and “sound analytical reasoning,” then Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, a Republican, said at the time. “The Committee found no reason to dispute the Intelligence Community’s conclusions.”One of the members of the committee was then Sen. Marco Rubio, now Trump’s secretary of state.“Over the last three years, the Senate Intelligence Committee conducted a bipartisan and thorough investigation into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and undermine our democracy,” Rubio stated on Aug. 18, 2020, when the report was released publicly. “We interviewed over 200 witnesses and reviewed over one million pages of documents. No probe into this matter has been more exhaustive. We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election.”Rubio also added, “What the Committee did find however is very troubling. We found irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling.”“Let there be no doubt, the Russians did meddle, and they continue to meddle, along with Iran and China,”
 

*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

I hate that for him. Seems that these DHIMOCRAPS have set the tone and written the playbook for PROSECUTING former Presidents!!

Now, it's time for DHIMOCRAPS and the treasonous OBAMA to find out how that all works!! LAWYER UP, ASSHOLE!!! You're going to need a DAMN GOOD ONE!!

Will one of you LWNJ's start you boy Obambam a "Go Fund Me" so he can have PLENTY of $$ for his commissary account!! He's likely to need a LOT of it seeing how TREASON carries a long and likely LIFE SENTENCE or even hanging if found to be THAT egregious!!

Speaking to reporters at the White House Wednesday, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed former President Barack Obama has been referred to the Department of Justice for criminal investigation. The referral comes after Gabbard investigated the origins of the 2016 Russia hoax against President Donald Trump and found Obama directed high ranking officials in his administration, including CIA Director John Brennan, to cook intelligence and claim Russia colluded with Trump to win the White House. The discredited Steele Dossier was used to carry out the order. 

 "We have referred and will continue to refer all of these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI," Gabbard said after a question from Emily Jashinsky.

"The evidence that we have found and that we have released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of this intelligence assessment."When asked if she believes Obama committed treason, she said, "That's a question for Attorney General Pam Bondi." 

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/1948007 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/194808 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/StephenM/status/194665684 ... a-n2660836

https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-russ ... 0Gabbard’s claims of an anti-Trump conspiracy are not supported by declassified documents
 

*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

I hate that for him. Seems that these DHIMOCRAPS have set the tone and written the playbook for PROSECUTING former Presidents!!

Now, it's time for DHIMOCRAPS and the treasonous OBAMA to find out how that all works!! LAWYER UP, ASSHOLE!!! You're going to need a DAMN GOOD ONE!!

Will one of you LWNJ's start you boy Obambam a "Go Fund Me" so he can have PLENTY of $$ for his commissary account!! He's likely to need a LOT of it seeing how TREASON carries a long and likely LIFE SENTENCE or even hanging if found to be THAT egregious!!

Speaking to reporters at the White House Wednesday, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed former President Barack Obama has been referred to the Department of Justice for criminal investigation. The referral comes after Gabbard investigated the origins of the 2016 Russia hoax against President Donald Trump and found Obama directed high ranking officials in his administration, including CIA Director John Brennan, to cook intelligence and claim Russia colluded with Trump to win the White House. The discredited Steele Dossier was used to carry out the order. 

 "We have referred and will continue to refer all of these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI," Gabbard said after a question from Emily Jashinsky.

"The evidence that we have found and that we have released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of this intelligence assessment."When asked if she believes Obama committed treason, she said, "That's a question for Attorney General Pam Bondi." 

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/1948007 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/194808 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/StephenM/status/194665684 ... a-n2660836

httphttps://apnews.com/article/gabbard-russia-2016-steele-dossier-
 

*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

I hate that for him. Seems that these DHIMOCRAPS have set the tone and written the playbook for PROSECUTING former Presidents!!

Now, it's time for DHIMOCRAPS and the treasonous OBAMA to find out how that all works!! LAWYER UP, ASSHOLE!!! You're going to need a DAMN GOOD ONE!!

Will one of you LWNJ's start you boy Obambam a "Go Fund Me" so he can have PLENTY of $$ for his commissary account!! He's likely to need a LOT of it seeing how TREASON carries a long and likely LIFE SENTENCE or even hanging if found to be THAT egregious!!

Speaking to reporters at the White House Wednesday, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed former President Barack Obama has been referred to the Department of Justice for criminal investigation. The referral comes after Gabbard investigated the origins of the 2016 Russia hoax against President Donald Trump and found Obama directed high ranking officials in his administration, including CIA Director John Brennan, to cook intelligence and claim Russia colluded with Trump to win the White House. The discredited Steele Dossier was used to carry out the order. 

 "We have referred and will continue to refer all of these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI," Gabbard said after a question from Emily Jashinsky.

"The evidence that we have found and that we have released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of this intelligence assessment."When asked if she believes Obama committed treason, she said, "That's a question for Attorney General Pam Bondi." 

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/1948007 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/194808 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/StephenM/status/194665684 ... a-n2660836

https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-russ ... 0a2f22fc60

*Beekeeper » 23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2025, 2:07 pm

I hate that for him. Seems that these DHIMOCRAPS have set the tone and written the playbook for PROSECUTING former Presidents!!

Now, it's time for DHIMOCRAPS and the treasonous OBAMA to find out how that all works!! LAWYER UP, ASSHOLE!!! You're going to need a DAMN GOOD ONE!!

Will one of you LWNJ's start you boy Obambam a "Go Fund Me" so he can have PLENTY of $$ for his commissary account!! He's likely to need a LOT of it seeing how TREASON carries a long and likely LIFE SENTENCE or even hanging if found to be THAT egregious!!

Speaking to reporters at the White House Wednesday, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard confirmed former President Barack Obama has been referred to the Department of Justice for criminal investigation. The referral comes after Gabbard investigated the origins of the 2016 Russia hoax against President Donald Trump and found Obama directed high ranking officials in his administration, including CIA Director John Brennan, to cook intelligence and claim Russia colluded with Trump to win the White House. The discredited Steele Dossier was used to carry out the order. 

 "We have referred and will continue to refer all of these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI," Gabbard said after a question from Emily Jashinsky.

"The evidence that we have found and that we have released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of this intelligence assessment."When asked if she believes Obama committed treason, she said, "That's a question for Attorney General Pam Bondi." 

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/1948007 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/townhallcom/status/194808 ... a-n2660836

https://x.com/StephenM/status/194665684 ... a-n2660836

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Gabbard released do not support her claim. She cites a handful of emails from 2016 in which officials conclude Russia had no intention of manipulating the U.S. vote count through cyberattacks on voting systems.President Barack Obama’s administration never alleged voting infrastructure was tampered with. Rather, officials have said, Russian operatives hacked emails of prominent Democrats that were subsequently released through WikiLeaks and launched a covert social media campaign to sow discord and inflame U.S. public opinion. More than two dozen Russians were indicted in 2018 in connection with those efforts.

abbard released do not support her claim. She cites a handful of emails from 2016 in which officials conclude Russia had no intention of manipulating the U.S. vote count through cyberattacks on voting systems.President Barack Obama’s administration never alleged voting infrastructure was tampered with. Rather, officials have said, Russian operatives hacked emails of prominent Democrats that were subsequently released through WikiLeaks and launched a covert social media campaign to sow discord and inflame U.S. public opinion. More than two dozen Russians were indicted in 2018 in connection with those efforts.

So

You don’t think that he will go to prison either?

Welcome back

Ole Barry up to shenanigans

Blackvegetable » 25 Jul 2025, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 8:01 am

Link?

You're the dumbest **** alive...

please stop.

Scroll up. It's al right in this thread.

YOU no longer get to change quotes to suit your agenda or your narcissism!! If you use the QUOTE FEATURE, it's means SOMEONE said those exact words. YOU don't have the luxury of trying to change them. It's called LYING and something no one here needs to tolerate from you any longer.

jerrab » 25 Jul 2025, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 2:24 pm

Re: Yep, that 'ol Obama fellar is sure lookin' like he's going to see PRISON in his future!!Post Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:26 pm
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The boy won't ever learn.

Are you that dense that you keep trying to get through the filters?? You mommy wanted to know.

Blackvegetable » 25 Jul 2025, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 8:05 am

Get back to your GED review, *******.

So, you have nothing to support your claims!!

Did we have any doubts? Not a one!!

*Beekeeper » 25 Jul 2025, 3:49 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 3:49 pm

The boy won't ever learn.

Are you that dense that you keep trying to get through the filters?? You mommy wanted to know.

I don't even care

Mrkelly » 25 Jul 2025, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 3:44 pm

So

You don’t think that he will go to prison either?

Welcome back

tulsi might be handed a lawsuit.

jerrab » 25 Jul 2025, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 3:26 pm

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Gabbard released do not support her claim. She cites a handful of emails from 2016 in which officials conclude Russia had no intention of manipulating the U.S. vote count through cyberattacks on voting systems.President Barack Obama’s administration never alleged voting infrastructure was tampered with. Rather, officials have said, Russian operatives hacked emails of prominent Democrats that were subsequently released through WikiLeaks and launched a covert social media campaign to sow discord and inflame U.S. public opinion. More than two dozen Russians were indicted in 2018 in connection with those efforts.

But, but, but....

https://x.com/mtaibbi/status/1948512612 ... r-n2660941

You might want to READ something other than your handlers attempts to cover their OWN INCOMPETENT REPORTING back in 2016-2020.

100% of your claim is a LIE!! A big lie. YOU don't get to gaslight anyone with ZERO facts to support your BS. There are NO CLAIMS that the released documents say a word about "Russians changing votes", but quite the opposite in that the IC said they were INCAPABLE of doing that and none where changed. AND no one on the Trump team is making such a claim that "votes where changed" either. 

Please, try harder to be relevant and STOP YOUR GASLIGHTING in some vain effort to "prove I'm right" when you have NOTHING to begin with.
 

*Beekeeper » 25 Jul 2025, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jul 2025, 3:58 pm

But, but, but....

https://x.com/mtaibbi/status/1948512612 ... r-n2660941

You might want to READ something other than your handlers attempts to cover their OWN INCOMPETENT REPORTING back in 2016-2020.

100% of your claim is a LIE!! A big lie. YOU don't get to gaslight anyone with ZERO facts to support your BS. There are NO CLAIMS that the released documents say a word about "Russians changing votes", but quite the opposite in that the IC said they were INCAPABLE of doing that and none where changed. AND no one on the Trump team is making such a claim that "votes where changed" either. 

Please, try harder to be relevant and STOP YOUR GASLIGHTING in some vain effort to "prove I'm right" when you have NOTHING to begin with.

obana never said trump was involved with russia.