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*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 7:37 am

Well, loser, what's the difference in MEDICAID, which is TAXPAYER FUNDED 100% paying their "medical costs" vs. taxpayers funding the ER??
 

I'm not loser, but I'll take a stab. 

The feds paying for it is much cheaper. Dropping them from medicaid means that the state and local governments are left holding the bag, while the feds are free to put the savings into the MIC. 

To add insult to injury, every nickel the feds save costs the state and local governments a quarter. 

That is the gist of the complaint. 
 

TwoIfByTea » 27 Jul 2025, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:46 am

No its not FUNNY.

How come with Republican "Majority" in Both Houses still allows no "Negotiations" on Drug Prices ...

Because Congress is "Paid Off" by Pharmecutical Companies..

Not just Republicans the Democrats too..

Both are paid off "Equally" to Vote their way

Ill give ya another example how Democrats and Repuplicans are in cahoots a "Uni-Party".

In State & Local Races Big Construction Firms and Road Builders equally 50/50 give campaign contributions "Both Sides" every election cycle make sure they gonna make a KILLING no matter who Wins the elecection
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:44 am

It's the feds costing the states and locals a quarter to save the feds a nickel. 

So the MIC can have it.

I know there's some accounting shenanigans.
MIC will get their cut no matter what.
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Like the Lotto. It pays for education they say.      

All that shell game did was free up money in the General Fund (where schools used to dip from).
Now the general fund is Generally ****.
Assholes that actually believe schools benefitted from the Lotto lap up any story fed to them.
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I'm not knave...   
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:51 am

I'm not loser, but I'll take a stab. 

The feds paying for it is much cheaper. Dropping them from medicaid means that the state and local governments are left holding the bag, while the feds are free to put the savings into the MIC. 

To add insult to injury, every nickel the feds save costs the state and local governments a quarter. 

That is the gist of the complaint.

The retarded azzwipe started lashing out at me instead of addressing tRumP’s failure to fulfill his deportation “promises” (campaign hoax)

 

LowIQTrash » 27 Jul 2025, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 11:37 am

The retarded azzwipe started lashing out at me instead of addressing tRumP’s failure to fulfill his deportation “promises” (campaign hoax)

If he is not fulfilling his deportation promise what is the left protesting about?  I guess you guys are **** morons.

LowIQTrash » 27 Jul 2025, 3:00 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 3:00 am

Beautiful post…illustrates the retardation of “MAGA” and their ignorance of THIRD order consequences!!

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/2026- ... ars-report

User: Bacon’s Rebellion 

[if any of you guys have a memory > goldfish’s, recall tRumP made a deal with the agricultural industry recently to ALLOW illegals to stay indefinitely coz they were crying about losing cheap labor]

So what ends up happening? These illegals get sick or injured, they end up in the EMERGENCY ROOM (which is legally obligated to treat everyone), and then the costs are passed ONTO EVERYONE ELSE!!!

(And emergency room care is even more expensive than giving illegals Medicaid)

And before you start bitching at me, I am NOT saying we should give illegals Medicaid. I am saying kicking illegals off Medicaid and then allowing them to stay is even worse than the status quo since their need / demand for healthcare doesn’t just disappear 

   

Peepee: you guys are stoooooopid dumbFUX

Yer thread title is a lie...yer not a conservative.           

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 10:43 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:43 am

Not everything. D was wrong. Government pays far less than private insurancefor the same procedures. So, Item D is just flat out worng.

You have facts to back that up?? Because private insurance is using the same Medicare billing codes and costs these days. It was part of the obambamCare act in case you missed that part.

Ask any Medicare Part C recipient how that works too. It's PRIVATE INSURANCE that pays IDENTIALLY how Medicare pays out using the SAME IDENTICAL payment "chart". Whatever the Medicare "approved" amount is, that is all they pay to the providers.

You are free to believe whatever you want, but the facts dispute your "beliefs".

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:51 am

I'm not loser, but I'll take a stab. 

The feds paying for it is much cheaper. Dropping them from medicaid means that the state and local governments are left holding the bag, while the feds are free to put the savings into the MIC. 

To add insult to injury, every nickel the feds save costs the state and local governments a quarter. 

That is the gist of the complaint.

Who puts the funds in the coffers for the State to pay for anything??

Oh wait, taxpayers, right?? Same thing, different way to pay. Same number of dollars too. The Feds don't "save" the taxpayers a red cent no matter if they pay or the States pay. How hard is THAT concept to grasp for you?? A $20 bill for services, no matter WHO PAYS IT, state or feds, is still $20 and the taxpayer is paying that through TAXATION!!

Nice try, but you need help.

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 12:37 pm

Who puts the funds in the coffers for the State to pay for anything??

Oh wait, taxpayers, right?? Same thing, different way to pay. Same number of dollars too. The Feds don't "save" the taxpayers a red cent no matter if they pay or the States pay. How hard is THAT concept to grasp for you?? A $20 bill for services, no matter WHO PAYS IT, state or feds, is still $20 and the taxpayer is paying that through TAXATION!!

Nice try, but you need help.

Damn right the Taxpayers end of day..

Somebody needs remind "Both Parties" ya equally Donor $$$ Lobyist "SLUTS".

UNTIL then nothing shall "Change" 4 thy better
 

TwoIfByTea » 27 Jul 2025, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 12:52 pm

Damn right the Taxpayers end of day..

Somebody needs remind "Both Parties" ya equally Donor $$$ Lobyist "SLUTS".

UNTIL then nothing shall "Change" 4 thy better

​​​​​@Cannonpointer  doesn't seem to realize is that States tend to be better stewards of taxpayer's money because they are REQUIRED to balance their budgets in  any state except Vermont. Most debt of the States is due to pension plans being underfunded and over-estimated on "return" on investments when established.

So his entire "argument" is moot to reality.

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 12:02 pm

You have facts to back that up?? Because private insurance is using the same Medicare billing codes and costs these days. It was part of the obambamCare act in case you missed that part.

You have facts to back that up?? Because here's what AI said when I asked, "Do private insurerers remit to doctors based on Medicaid's chart?"

No, private insurers generally pay more than Medicaid for the same services. Studies show that private insurance rates for physician services average around 143% of Medicare rates, and Medicare rates are generally higher than Medicaid rates. For example, Medicaid fee-for-service payments for physician services are nearly 30% below Medicare payments. Private insurers, on the other hand, often pay significantly more than both Medicare and Medicaid, particularly for hospital services, according to the Medicare Rights Center.

I would say this trumps an "Oh yeah? Well I heard from some people I know on Medicaid..."

I almost died of embarrassment FOR you when you admitted that you acutally socialize with people on Medicaid. Gag me with a spoon!

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 12:02 pm

Ask any Medicare Part C recipient how that works too. It's PRIVATE INSURANCE that pays IDENTIALLY how Medicare pays out using the SAME IDENTICAL payment "chart". Whatever the Medicare "approved" amount is, that is all they pay to the providers.

I am in FAR too rarified a demographic to know personally or ever converse with the types who rely on Medicaid. I believe my dear wife Muffy would expire from consternation if I even SPOKE with a street person.

You are free to believe whatever you want, but the facts dispute your "beliefs".
 

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 12:37 pm

Who puts the funds in the coffers for the State to pay for anything??

Oh wait, taxpayers, right?? Same thing, different way to pay. Same number of dollars too. 

So a person getting assistance through their primary physician costs the same as that person getting assistance at the ER?

I did not know that. 

Thank you SO much for informing me. Now I know. God bless you for taking the time to straighten me out, good citizen.

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 2:26 pm

​​​​​@Cannonpointer  doesn't seem to realize is that States tend to be better stewards of taxpayer's money because they are REQUIRED to balance their budgets in  any state except Vermont. Most debt of the States is due to pension plans being underfunded and over-estimated on "return" on investments when established.

So his entire "argument" is moot to reality.

I happen to agree that the states are better stewards - with a handful of glaring exceptions. 

But dumping undocumented Medicaid patience on the state takes stewardship out of the equation. It face rapes the states because ERs are not allowed to turn people away. Now, if Trump actually kept a campaign promise and deported those illegals, the state would be just fine. Instead, Trump is just disowning them and leaving the states to pay at a much higher rate. Because it turns out when you claimed ERs are no more expensive than scheduled visits with your primary - well, you were telling a big fat beekeeper. 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 4:01 pm

I happen to agree that the states are better stewards - with a handful of glaring exceptions. 

But dumping undocumented Medicaid patience on the state takes stewardship out of the equation. It face rapes the states because ERs are not allowed to turn people away. Now, if Trump actually kept a campaign promise and deported those illegals, the state would be just fine. Instead, Trump is just disowning them and leaving the states to pay at a much higher rate. Because it turns out when you claimed ERs are no more expensive than scheduled visits with your primary - well, you were telling a big fat beekeeper.

It didn't "dump" undocumented- aka ILLEGAL- immigrants on anyone. States FULLY administer the Medicaid program under a minimal Fed guidelines and rules. IF the States want to keep them on, it's 100% on THEIR TAXPAYERS BACKS!! Which is how it's been all along, with the federal government matching state spending on Medicaid, with the FMAP ranging from a statutory minimum of 50% to a maximum of 83%, depending on State per capita income levels.

REQUIRING illegals to get OFF actually will REDUCE the spending at the State level as well. Now, you want to rethink with some FACTS that are presented here?? NO Federal money will be spent, and if the States want to keep on keeping on, their problem on THEIR taxpayers' backs!! Which often leads to a change in elected leadership once people see how much MORE these ILLEGAL ALIENS are costing them!!

And when HOSPITALS decide that they can't keep LOSING THEIR ASSES on the ILLEGALS in this nation, something will be done to remedy that one too. Profits and losses has a way to making things work themselves out in a fast and furious fashion.

 

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 5:58 pm

It didn't "dump" undocumented- aka ILLEGAL- immigrants on anyone. States FULLY administer the Medicaid program under a minimal Fed guidelines and rules. IF the States want to keep them on, it's 100% on THEIR TAXPAYERS BACKS!! Which is how it's been all along, with the federal government matching state spending on Medicaid, with the FMAP ranging from a statutory minimum of 50% to a maximum of 83%, depending on State per capita income levels.

REQUIRING illegals to get OFF actually will REDUCE the spending at the State level as well. Now, you want to rethink with some FACTS that are presented here??

When you say "facts," do you mean like when you said ERs do not charge more than primary physicians?

Or like when you claimed that Medicare and private insurers use the same billing codes because of Obamacare?

I have caught you in two blatant lies. Why should I even bother with your next pile of pure made-up ****, you **** runny mouth?

Your claim that the states can keep the illegals on Medicare is ****. If the feds say drop them, the states have to drop them - or they lose matching funds.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 4:01 pm

I happen to agree that the states are better stewards - with a handful of glaring exceptions. 

But dumping undocumented Medicaid patience on the state takes stewardship out of the equation. It face rapes the states because ERs are not allowed to turn people away. Now, if Trump actually kept a campaign promise and deported those illegals, the state would be just fine. Instead, Trump is just disowning them and leaving the states to pay at a much higher rate. Because it turns out when you claimed ERs are no more expensive than scheduled visits with your primary - well, you were telling a big fat beekeeper.

And if you missed it, Trump HAS been deporting illegals out. And many have self-deported already. The bottom line is, there are SO FEW illegals coming in NOW, shipping them out is a matter of time. Last estimate I saw was something around 750,000 have been sent home by ICE or through self-deportation.

Obviously you think that Trump can wave some magic wand and poof, they go away.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Jul 2025, 6:03 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 6:03 pm

When you say "facts," do you mean like when you said ERs do not charge more than primary physicians?

Or like when you claimed that Medicare and private insurers use the same billing codes because of Obamacare?

I have caught you in two blatant lies. Why should I even bother with your next pile of pure made-up ****, you **** runny mouth?

Your claim that the states can keep the illegals on Medicare is ****. If the feds say drop them, the states have to droip them - or they lose matching funds.

Some States have separate programs for Illegals to get health care. California is a good example.  It's not Medicaid.

I don't give 2 craps about what happens to these ILLEGALS!! IT will give the States an incentive to END THEIR BS Sanctuary policies, demand they get the hell out, and self-deportation will skyrocket!! THAT's the endgame here.
 

*Beekeeper » 27 Jul 2025, 6:07 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 6:07 pm

And if you missed it, Trump HAS been deporting illegals out. And many have self-deported already.

If you deport a fella, you do not HAVE to toss him off medicaid. 

The ones he has deported are not going to cost the states money in ERs.

It's those other ones - the overhwelming majority - that are going to bankrupt the states. 
 
 

Fuelman » 27 Jul 2025, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 10:06 am

They're shifting Medicaid costs from the government to US

That's some funny **** right there!

They’re shifting the cost of care from Medicaid (which reimburses relatively inexpensive doctors and physicians) to ER billing departments that distribute the cost onto everyone who uses their hospital as illegals generally do not pay for care

Fixed*

JohnnyYou » 27 Jul 2025, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2025, 9:44 am

The word Engima was in the 50th Birthday Letter Trump wrote to Epstien in the book Ghuzzlane collected..

One clip shows a black pundit saying "Any AI Search will prove Trump never used the word Engima in his life"

Jon Stewart laughed and said "But I bet he used one like it!"

And proceeded to show a few clips of where Trump used the word Enigma..

 are you saying enema?