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Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:31 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am

In the early 1800s framers of the constitution like Monroe subsidized research and development of repeating rifles so the avg citizen could afford one.

In short, the Founding generation was familiar with tremendous advances in firearms technology. In the American colonial experience, the rate of fire for an ordinary firearm had quintupled. As of 1791, repeating firearms capable of firing 16 or 22 shots had been demonstrated, but they were much too expensive for ordinary citizens. The Madison-Monroe administration's wise industrial policy, continued under future administrations, led the way towards the mass production of high quality firearms at low prices. No one in 1791 or 1815 could have foreseen all the firearms innovations in the 19th century. We do know that the American federal government did all it could to make those innovations possible.

talk to other moss...

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am

In the early 1800s framers of the constitution like Monroe subsidized research and development of repeating rifles so the avg citizen could afford one.

In short, the Founding generation was familiar with tremendous advances in firearms technology. In the American colonial experience, the rate of fire for an ordinary firearm had quintupled. As of 1791, repeating firearms capable of firing 16 or 22 shots had been demonstrated, but they were much too expensive for ordinary citizens. The Madison-Monroe administration's wise industrial policy, continued under future administrations, led the way towards the mass production of high quality firearms at low prices. No one in 1791 or 1815 could have foreseen all the firearms innovations in the 19th century. We do know that the American federal government did all it could to make those innovations possible.

https://reason.com/volokh/2023/05/26/th ... echnology/

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 6:41 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:41 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:30 am

In the early 1800s framers of the constitution like Monroe subsidized research and development of repeating rifles so the avg citizen could afford one.

In short, the Founding generation was familiar with tremendous advances in firearms technology. In the American colonial experience, the rate of fire for an ordinary firearm had quintupled. As of 1791, repeating firearms capable of firing 16 or 22 shots had been demonstrated, but they were much too expensive for ordinary citizens. The Madison-Monroe administration's wise industrial policy, continued under future administrations, led the way towards the mass production of high quality firearms at low prices. No one in 1791 or 1815 could have foreseen all the firearms innovations in the 19th century. We do know that the American federal government did all it could to make those innovations possible.

https://reason.com/volokh/2023/05/26/th ... echnology/

Not only is your source a paid mouthpiece for the NRA, he went to a sub par college...

In your words.

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am

It appears, Sir, you are saying that Madison and Monroe DID NOT initiate the program that financed the research and development of repeating rifles.  Got it.  

Here is an old mail order ad.  Check out those prices:

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 6:50 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:50 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am

It appears, Sir, you are saying that Madison and Monroe DID NOT initiate the program that financed the research and development of repeating rifles.  Got it.  

Here is an old mail order ad.  Check out those prices:

No "impressions"...

 

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 6:49 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:49 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:46 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:46 am

Start a thread and we will discuss it.  I am surprised.  Just the other day you implied that any thread not about Trump was a diversion.

No...we don't  "discuss" anything....you run from your words.

So go ahead...


 

 

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 6:50 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:50 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 6:48 am

It appears, Sir, you are saying that Madison and Monroe DID NOT initiate the program that financed the research and development of repeating rifles.  Got it.  

Here is an old mail order ad.  Check out those prices:

No "impressions"...

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:04 am

Again, standing by my words.  A Thompson Sub Machine Gun ad.  Looks ike I have backed up everything I said.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:05 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:05 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:04 am

Again, standing by my words.  A Thompson Sub Machine Gun ad.  Looks ike I have backed up everything I said.

Only in discussions with yourself.

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:09 am

Sir, you claim I run from my words.  Here I am, continuing to post proof of what I said. You, on the other hand, are afraid to make a case.  YOU have not provided one iota of proof that I am wrong.

So by all means, good sir, please continue as is as I savor victory.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:11 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:11 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:09 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:09 am

Sir, you claim I run from my words.  Here I am, continuing to post proof of what I said. You, on the other hand, are afraid to make a case.  YOU have not provided one iota of proof that I am wrong.

So by all means, good sir, please continue as is as I savor victory.

You do.

That is what the record clearly indicates. 
 

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:16 am

And yet, here I am standing by words and waiting for someone to refute them.  Apparently you are not capable.  Have back up everything you claimed was not true.  You :  Not so much.  So it appears you sprinting as far you can from your words. I win.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:19 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:19 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:16 am

And yet, here I am standing by words and waiting for someone to refute them.  Apparently you are not capable.  Have back up everything you claimed was not true.  You :  Not so much.  So it appears you sprinting as far you can from your words. I win.

"No questions!" is not "standing by your words"...

 

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:21 am

Sir, I was able to completely destroy your position without a single question.  I guess, Mr. Vegetable, you are saying you are not capable of doing so.

If you wish to ask questions you will agree to a one for one exchange mantling for every question you ask that is answered you must answer one in return. And no edited quotes when replying.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:24 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:24 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:21 am

Sir, I was able to completely destroy your position without a single question.  I guess, Mr. Vegetable, you are saying you are not capable of doing so.

If you wish to ask questions you will agree to a one for one exchange mantling for every question you ask that is answered you must answer one in return. And no edited quotes when replying.

Only in a very controlled environment...

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:25 am

Mr. Veggie, you are still running.  You don't have game, buddy.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:26 am » wrote: ↑

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*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:25 am

Mr. Veggie, you are still running.  You don't have game, buddy.

I'm not even involved.

Neither are you.


 

 

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:28 am

Still no case.  My original point that the framers, and all the way up until 1934 the interpretation of the 2A , stands and was not that of what you have been told to think

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 7:41 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:41 am

This isn't about "cases"...it is about you reyapping nonsense arguments you can't prosecute.

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:59 am

 Sir, that is more irrelevant nonsense.  I backed up everything I said earlier.  

1. No firearm regulation from 1791 to 1934 by the federal government.

2. Until that point you could order a sub Machine Gun thru the mail.

3. Madison and Monroe funded research and developed for mass producing repeating rifles in part so the average citizen could afford one.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2025, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 8:01 am

*Huey » 05 Aug 2025, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2025, 7:59 am

 Sir, that is more irrelevant nonsense.  I backed up everything I said earlier.  

1. No firearm regulation from 1791 to 1934 by the federal government.

2. Until that point you could order a sub Machine Gun thru the mail.

3. Madison and Monroe funded research and developed for mass producing repeating rifles in part so the average citizen could afford one.

No...it's true...

You wilt at the first challenge...

Like you run from your words.