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*Huey » 12 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm

You tried to make that thread something it wan't.  It was never about the appeal or trump trying to get it overturned.  It was about the simple fact that Kaplan never changed the jury verdict.  Meaning you Sheeples who repeat the line that trump is a rapist are lying. 

THAT is what it was about.  You couldn't win that so you went on a days long meltdown over something else.  Next time I will just ban your lying *** from the thread.

verdict.  

You can't distinguish VERDICT from FINDING.

Because you're an idiot.

Meaning you Sheeples who repeat the line that trump is a rapist are lying. 

Why did Team Grifty petition the court?

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm

Not good enough.

sorry cup cake 

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:52 pm

*Huey » 12 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm

You tried to make that thread something it wan't.  It was never about the appeal or trump trying to get it overturned.  It was about the simple fact that Kaplan never changed the jury verdict.  Meaning you Sheeples who repeat the line that trump is a rapist are lying. 

THAT is what it was about.  You couldn't win that so you went on a days long meltdown over something else.  Next time I will just ban your lying *** from the thread.

verdict.

You can't distinguish VERDICT from FINDING.

Because you're an idiot.

Meaning you Sheeples who repeat the line that trump is a rapist are lying.

Why did Team Grifty petition the court?

Why are you babbling incoherently?  

Using your rule you are about to run away from this anyway.

 
 

*Huey » 12 Aug 2025, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 3:17 pm

Why are you babbling incoherently?  

Using your rule you are about to run away from this anyway.

Do you understand the difference between a finding and a verdict?

Using your rule you are about to run away from this anyway

more cowardly ****.

Focus on the topic, Victim.

*Huey » 12 Aug 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:49 pm

Last time..  The jury verdict that is on file in NY, and the outcome of the trial, was Trump was found liable of sexual assault and defamation.  Those like you who call him a rapist are lying.

End of story.

So why does this matter? 

It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury's $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll's sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll's] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6

And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.   


This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.  


There is no basis for disturbing the jury's sexual assault damages. And Mr. Trump's arguments with respect to the defamation damages are no stronger.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-di ... aw-content
 

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 2:52 pm

You can't distinguish VERDICT from FINDING.

Because you're an idiot.

Why did Team Grifty petition the court?

Speaking of you not being able to distinguish **** because you are an idiot: 



Which scenario is an example of survivorship bias in evaluating business success?

A) Believing that reading business books increases revenue after finding many CEOs recommend them.
B) Concluding that most startups fail after analyzing bankrupt companies.
C) Thinking entrepreneurship is easy because most media profiles focus on successful founders.
D) Surveying customers to understand why they chose your product over competitors  

Blackvegetable » 11 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2025, 2:38 pm

DO NOT **** DO THIS!

You seem very upset. Do you need us to call for help for you??

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 3:47 pm

So why does this matter? 

It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury's $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll's sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll's] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6

And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.   

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.  

There is no basis for disturbing the jury's sexual assault damages. And Mr. Trump's arguments with respect to the defamation damages are no stronger.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-di ... aw-content

And as always, you simply CANNOT ACCEPT THE FACT that TRUMP DID NOT RAPE CARROLL BASED ON WHAT THE JURY DETERMINED!!

PERIOD!!

Now, run along and take your **** WITH YOU AS YOU EXIT!!

YOU ARE TOTALLY DISMISSED NOW!!

End of story.

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 3:39 pm

Do you understand the difference between a finding and a verdict?

more cowardly ****.

Focus on the topic, Victim.

A VERDICT holds that a DEFENDENT is guilty or not guilty. It has LEGAL MEANING in a court of law. 

A FINDING does not, but only something discovered that MAY POSSIBLY be introduced in a court of law as evidence.

As in TRUMP'S VERDICT ON RAPE WAS NOT GUILTY!!

*Beekeeper » 12 Aug 2025, 4:13 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 4:13 pm

A VERDICT holds that a DEFENDENT is guilty or not guilty. It has LEGAL MEANING in a court of law. 

A FINDING does not, but only something discovered that MAY POSSIBLY be introduced in a court of law as evidence.

As in TRUMP'S VERDICT ON RAPE WAS NOT GUILTY!!

No..the VERDICT was in favor of the Plaintiff, 2 million awarded for sexual assault.

A finding was that Grifty didn't rape WITHIN THE NARROW MEANING OF THE NEW YORK PENAL CODE...

Which does not apply to civil cases.

 

*Beekeeper » 12 Aug 2025, 4:09 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 4:09 pm

And as always, you simply CANNOT ACCEPT THE FACT that TRUMP DID NOT RAPE CARROLL BASED ON WHAT THE JURY DETERMINED!!

PERIOD!!

Now, run along and take your **** WITH YOU AS YOU EXIT!!

YOU ARE TOTALLY DISMISSED NOW!!

End of story.

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.  

Blackvegetable » 07 Aug 2025, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 10:52 am

“Cleaning up the BLS was something that should have been done long ago,” Bessent said on MSNBC Thursday, referring to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. “The mistake that they made last week was a five-to-six standard deviation mistake. This is like, if you got on a plane in Miami, thought you were going to New York and landed in Denver.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... d-long-ago

A necessary accessory of every fascist regime...

Scottie,
You must have been in Grifty's stats study group.

Hey ***, quick question...

Was FJB too busy in the shower with Ashley to release the files himself?

SouthernFried » 12 Aug 2025, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 5:25 pm

Hey ***, quick question...

Was FJB too busy in the shower with Ashley to release the files himself?

Why not ask FJB, while you're showering...

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 4:50 pm

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.  

Are you deaf??

YOU'RE DISMISSED!!

 

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 4:40 pm

No..the VERDICT was in favor of the Plaintiff, 2 million awarded for sexual assault.

A finding was that Grifty didn't rape WITHIN THE NARROW MEANING OF THE NEW YORK PENAL CODE...

Which does not apply to civil cases.

Well, if that is the case, WHY did Kaplan's JURY INSTRUCTIONS tell the JURY that they needed to follow the NY STATE PENAL CODE DEFINTION OF RAPE in any finding they made??

Oh, and I'll leave this here for you....

https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/ ... 180432.png

*Beekeeper » 12 Aug 2025, 6:15 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 6:15 pm

Well, if that is the case, WHY did Kaplan's JURY INSTRUCTIONS tell the JURY that they needed to follow the NY STATE PENAL CODE DEFINTION OF RAPE in any finding they made??

Oh, and I'll leave this here for you....

https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/ ... 180432.png

Recall what a finding is, and what it isn't..

Read judge Kaplan's decision. 
 

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 5:56 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 5:56 pm

Why not ask FJB, while you're showering...

I'd rather not bother a cancer-ridden geezer. 

SouthernFried » 12 Aug 2025, 10:09 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 10:09 pm

I'd rather not bother a cancer-ridden geezer.

You do know that there is a bytch named Karma?

You keep up dumb shyt like that comment and you'll be knock, knock, knockin' on Satans' Door.

Cancer hits at all ages. You are at the peak of Mt Stupid.  The Valley of Despair sucks.  Do not look up nihlism.

i.postimg.cc/pdQzFGj0/dunning-kruger-effect.jpg
 
 

Blackvegetable » 12 Aug 2025, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2025, 6:31 pm

Recall what a finding is, and what it isn't..

Read judge Kaplan's decision.

You DO realize that Kaplan's "decision" has ZERO bearing on the FACT that the JURY's "findings" were that NO RAPE WAS PROVEN, right??

Kaplan DID NOT overturn that. 

Now, take your angry little self and realize, YOU ARE DISMISSED FROM THIS TOPIC FOREVER!!

*Beekeeper » 13 Aug 2025, 5:13 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2025, 5:13 am

You DO realize that Kaplan's "decision" has ZERO bearing 

Get lost.